'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

a reply to: Sremmos80

Lets use context here, your stats are completely pointless. If you are in say, Syria and im there as well who do you think would kill you? Me or a Muslim extremist? How about Turkey? Kuwait? Bangladesh? any Islamic country for that matter? # in those countries your more likely to have your head cut off on H.D T.V while your parents beg for your life,than dieing of a heart attack!

Which brings me back to the original thread topic. Why not litigate, discriminate, MAKE A POINT against sharia law and its followers. IT IS THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES AND FRANKLY ANY WESTERN ALLY. Even if its moot, the law that is. Which honestly i don't think it as as federal law doesn't always trump state law,Colorado marijuana anyone?

Stop sympathizing with the enemy sremmos im loosing respect for you.

a reply to: TechniXcality

How are those countries the context all of the sudden?
We are talking about the United states, not the ME.


How am I sympathizing with the enemy by saying that this was a pointless law that does nothing but make a law of a something that was already illegal...

I loose all respect for people that can't take any sort of criticism or opposition of a topic when it involves an anti muslim topic with calling said person a sympathizer.

Please show me where I ever symapthized with sharia law.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Here with Morocco we did have good relations . We had been shipping to there before independence also we fell under treaties England had with others in the region.

But after 1776 US tagged on to Treaties France had with the Barbary Coast. Then by 1801 We are good with 1 Islamic country but refused to pay tribute to The Barbary Coast Pirates (which Morocco had been part of off and on over its long history) what was basically extortion The start of the Barbary Coast Wars.

Jefferson ask what right do they claim for taking of vessels and enslavement on our seamen Tripolis ambassador replied

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

www.slate.com...

15-30% of all African slaves brought into the New World were Muslims

You think maybe they were converted to Islam under the threat of death kinda like whats going on in Iraq and Syria today . One of the large suppliers of slaves were Islamic groups in the 1700,1800s.

The 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade. Bernard Lewis writes that "polytheists and idolaters were seen primarily as sources of slaves, to be imported into the Islamic world and molded in Islamic ways, and, since they possessed no religion of their own worth the mention, as natural recruits for Islam.

en.wikipedia.org...

It seems places in the Islamic world this scourge of humanity is returning . Another foreign laws totally unacceptable to us . We killed each other once to rid our country of it never again.

Our Founders used many ideas for our rules and system of government. But many cultures I am sure they looked at for Ideas . And chose what they felt was best.

Aside from that men and women are equal under our laws . You can not be killed for changing religions. You cant be killed for adultery . You can not be killed for drawing a cartoon or using god or allas name in vain . We allow you to run around in a sheet if you want to we don't force you. Are just a few Foreign laws totally unacceptable to our jurisprudence .

You want foreign laws go where they are.

a reply to: Sremmos80

By playing devils advocate, there is no devils advocate here. On this particular subject im right, your wrong period end of story. Why should we offer any accommodation to these people, by doing nothing that is a accommodation. I was driving to a sonic food place this morning and saw a car with a blacked out window with white Islamic writing on the back, looks just like the ISIS flag not saying it is. But the point is go fly an american flag over in one of those countries and see what happens! seeing that representation was offensive if not just for the look of it, but its allowed here. The horrible white man has provided the platform in which to blame him for everything! interesting huh.

We should discriminate against our enemy's we should fly that flag of discrimination high above all others! Screw them screw their beliefs im not going to begin to compromise with them, how would that even go? Ok, you can cut half of my head off, or you can cut my friends head off but i get to keep mine. Stop playing devils advocate, its ridiculous

originally posted by: nfflhome
Cant believe you libs are running from Separation of Church and State.
Good for Texas.

Well they are so used to having the cake and eating it to......being totally contradictory is their thing now and pointing that out is just the background noise that a lib must get used to.

a reply to: TechniXcality

By the time we understood what they were really doing......we had accommodated ourselves right out of a country and a constitution.

a reply to: enlightenedservant


Don't buy this up to 30% of slaves coming to america were Muslims. Its modern day political/historical bull crap. Just like the conclusion of your post.

originally posted by: damwel
More pandering to the right. In the U.S. You can only use US law, not religious law. If a church wants discipline it's followers they could use sharia but not in court of law. Just more scare tactics of the right. We really should let Texas secede. Oh I'm so scared, the Muslims are taking over.

Have you taken a look at France lately? Do you not believe they have their eyes on the USA to do the same? The Muslim plan is simple and intelligent...populate, become part of the community, join in the politics and "fundamentally change" America into an Islamic state. It doesn't matter if it takes decades. They are doing this for their God.

a reply to: TechniXcality

You are right I am not playing advocate.
Just stating facts.

What ever, gald you are so happy they ate wasting time and money to pass useless laws.

That is what small gov us about right? Passing laws that are already on the books?

I haven't seen anyone say anything about this...I believe what they're worried about with laws like this are judges or lawyers trying to use tort law to bring in other countries laws in a case..it's totally possible and has been and still being done in this country for many different types of cases.

Here's a link to examples of what I mean and how foreign laws are used in American courts.

www.washingtonpost.com... disputes/

I'm not sure if the law they're trying to pass will actually stop tort though...I think that's a federal thing but I don't know for sure.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Thanks to our constitution, so far nobody can, lets keep it like that. Sharia and Islam are laws in themselves and just like the US laws can never be surpassed by any foreign law so Sharia and Islam have the same rules written in their books.

That means it can never coexist with US laws.

originally posted by: Lostinthedarkness
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Here with Morocco we did have good relations . We had been shipping to there before independence also we fell under treaties England had with others in the region.

But after 1776 US tagged on to Treaties France had with the Barbary Coast. Then by 1801 We are good with 1 Islamic country but refused to pay tribute to The Barbary Coast Pirates (which Morocco had been part of off and on over its long history) what was basically extortion The start of the Barbary Coast Wars.

Jefferson ask what right do they claim for taking of vessels and enslavement on our seamen Tripolis ambassador replied

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

www.slate.com...

15-30% of all African slaves brought into the New World were Muslims

You think maybe they were converted to Islam under the threat of death kinda like whats going on in Iraq and Syria today . One of the large suppliers of slaves were Islamic groups in the 1700,1800s.

The 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade. Bernard Lewis writes that "polytheists and idolaters were seen primarily as sources of slaves, to be imported into the Islamic world and molded in Islamic ways, and, since they possessed no religion of their own worth the mention, as natural recruits for Islam.

en.wikipedia.org...

It seems places in the Islamic world this scourge of humanity is returning . Another foreign laws totally unacceptable to us . We killed each other once to rid our country of it never again.

Our Founders used many ideas for our rules and system of government. But many cultures I am sure they looked at for Ideas . And chose what they felt was best.

Aside from that men and women are equal under our laws . You can not be killed for changing religions. You cant be killed for adultery . You can not be killed for drawing a cartoon or using god or allas name in vain . We allow you to run around in a sheet if you want to we don't force you. Are just a few Foreign laws totally unacceptable to our jurisprudence .

You want foreign laws go where they are.

Actually, you're completely wrong. The Arab Slave Trade was in North Africa (above the Sahara Desert), Eastern Asia, and Central Asia. Virtually all of the slaves who were brought over in the Americas were from Western Africa, in lands that would become Benin, Ghana, Togo, Nigeria, Angola, etc. That region's had Islam & Islamic kingdoms long before European settlers came to the Americas. Even today, Nigeria is 45-50% Muslim.

Islam & Christianity are the 2 largest religions in all of Africa. Ethiopians were Christians before the Romans were, & even their 2nd largest religion is Islam. So just because the posters in this thread don't know anything about Islamic history in Africa doesn't mean it never happened. You should probably study the African Muslim Moors, who controlled the Iberian Peninsula & were a powerhouse in Europe for roughly 800 years. Their rivalry with the European kingdoms is one of the reasons African Muslims were targeted for the slave trade, in the first place.

As for the other people claiming the info on African slaves including a lot of Muslims is false, I'd advise you do some research before making such ridiculous claims. Just because your schools never taught you anything about Africa or Islam doesn't mean the information isn't out there.

Islam In America - from PBS
Islam in the Americas
Islam in the US
The Muslim Roots of American Slaves (part 1 of 2): From Africa to America
Were My African American Ancestors Muslims?
Islam in America: From African Slaves to Malcolm X
Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas

a reply to: marg6043

Agreed, which means we don't need more laws to say that.
The law is already on the books.

a reply to: Sremmos80

While I agree in that we do not need anymore laws, states still have the choice to enforce existing laws for the benefit of the state and the Republic.

The reason is that immigrants from middle eastern countries can take hold of communities as they grow in majority and impose their own rules with their own elected officials, I see it more like a way to say sorry but not you can not rule by any other laws.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: enlightenedservant


Don't buy this up to 30% of slaves coming to america were Muslims. Its modern day political/historical bull crap. Just like the conclusion of your post.

Why? Because you never read about it in your history classes? African American history, Muslim American history, & Islamic African history exist whether you learned about it or not. There are entire sections in most libraries that have this information in incredible detail.

And as we've already mentioned plenty of times in this thread, there are already religious courts & the such in this country (Amish, Jewish, etc). And US law supersedes them too. People go to these courts the same way families & businesses go to arbitration: to settle things without having to get the government involved. But if a case or issue is then brought to the US judicial system, US laws nullify & override any decisions the religious courts made.

Why is that so hard for so many of you to understand? This is literally why politicians & political action committees dumb things down & don't bother explaining details. Because voters don't want to know the details. They just want catchy slogans, a chance to talk crap about people they don't like, and excuses to justify their biases. So politicians give you exactly what you want, get elected, then continue screwing you over. Then those same voters complain about why nobody ever listens to them.

Stuff like this thread actually makes me want to delay my current projects so I can run for a local or state election. My major causes are creating income equality, improving the social safety net, ending our system of perpetual wars, bringing our industries back to the US, legalizing marijuana, and getting our poor & homeless back on their feet. But I'd love to see how many of my fellow countrymen would still hate me just because of my religion. Like you'd rather vote for someone who constantly hurts you than someone who would help you, just because they follow a belief system you don't even understand.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

This was really about Tx passing a law to keep foreign laws from being used in place of the system in place now.

You are correct about Islam in Europe for years convert by the sword or be heavily taxed and the fair skinned virgins sent back to the sultan. Wasnt there a sultan who had a 1000 fair haired and skinned virgins slaves from Europe ?

Years of taking of slaves and forced conversion . Queen Isabel was so happy with the treatment and wars she deported all muslims and jews.

And for my history lessons I prefer old books and Old accounts . Those old books don't have today's political spin on them. Schools today like the spin they dont like to look the ugly truth in the eye. So many times one side will say what a great and glorious victory it was , the other side saw 80% of the population killed or enslaved and see it as a massacre .

Back to Texas that law it to ensure Texans are judged on only 1 set of laws. There are things allowed in other systems of laws that are incompatible with our society . And consequently are not to be mixed with our laws.

originally posted by: Lostinthedarkness
a reply to: enlightenedservant

This was really about Tx passing a law to keep foreign laws from being used in place of the system in place now.

You are correct about Islam in Europe for years convert by the sword or be heavily taxed and the fair skinned virgins sent back to the sultan. Wasnt there a sultan who had a 1000 fair haired and skinned virgins slaves from Europe ?

Years of taking of slaves and forced conversion . Queen Isabel was so happy with the treatment and wars she deported all muslims and jews.

And for my history lessons I prefer old books and Old accounts . Those old books don't have today's political spin on them. Schools today like the spin they dont like to look the ugly truth in the eye. So many times one side will say what a great and glorious victory it was , the other side saw 80% of the population killed or enslaved and see it as a massacre .

Back to Texas that law it to ensure Texans are judged on only 1 set of laws. There are things allowed in other systems of laws that are incompatible with our society . And consequently are not to be mixed with our laws.

My post was showing that Islam has in fact been here the whole time, even before America became a country, much less before Texas became a State. So it's not foreign. And the Moors allowed Christians & Jews in their territories, as the Qur'an dictates. Everybody had to pay taxes & fees then, so it wasn't just on non-Muslims. Muslims had to pay in the form of zakat & are required to give charity. Non-Muslims don't have to do either of them, but instead paid taxes to the state.

And wait, you reject today's books because of possible "spin" but don't think books in the past had a possible "spin"? In the same past when America legally enslaved people, legally discriminated against people, had eugenics programs before the Nazis did, and viewed African Americans as only 3/5 of a person by law? You accept books from then as having "no spin" but not books from today? Really?

Also, there's no "spin" to 15-30% or more of the slaves being Muslims. It's a fact. Then again, I'm beginning to wonder if you even know about the Spanish & Portuguese slave systems of "encomienda", "repartimiento", etc. And I can tell you've never looked into the history of Islam in sub-Saharan Africa, because if you had, you'd already know about this.

As for the Texas thing, we've already mentioned numerous times what religious courts are & how US laws trump their decisions. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it true. If a religious court says I must repay something but I file for bankruptcy, guess which one wins? And if a religious court accepts 2 men or 2 women as being married, but that State doesn't have gay marriage rights, guess what happens? The 2 people still aren't classified as married & get none of the benefits of marriage.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Why not just go with Islamic Arbitration or Islamic Family Counseling . When you add Court to it them people of lower intellect(uneducated) or poor command of US customs (like immigrants ) could be fooled into this is law.

One glaring problem with 2 sets of rules is the Amish rules true crimes(murders and rape) are committed and go unpunished because they are taught to only go to the church don't go to US courts. That is the BIGGEST reason for 1 set of rules .

originally posted by: Lostinthedarkness
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Why not just go with Islamic Arbitration or Islamic Family Counseling . When you add Court to it them people of lower intellect(uneducated) or poor command of US customs (like immigrants ) could be fooled into this is law.

One glaring problem with 2 sets of rules is the Amish rules true crimes(murders and rape) are committed and go unpunished because they are taught to only go to the church don't go to US courts. That is the BIGGEST reason for 1 set of rules .

I agree to an extent that part of this may be about semantics. But I also think a lot of it is just fear-mongering & bigotry. Just look back at many of the posts in this very thread. There are a lot of posts targeting Islam & Muslims as a whole, saying we're enemies of America, should go back to where ever, etc. That has absolutely nothing to do with the semantics of religious arbitration vs religious court.

The other thing is, I believe in lifting people up to the truth instead of dumbing things down. Otherwise they'll reject every other time they're told the truth because they won't recognize it.

[off topic but crap, my team just got blown out. was hoping for another miraculous comeback but oh well]

originally posted by: enlightenedservant


And wait, you reject today's books because of possible "spin" but don't think books in the past had a possible "spin"? In the same past when America legally enslaved people, legally discriminated against people, had eugenics programs before the Nazis did, and viewed African Americans as only 3/5 of a person by law? You accept books from then as having "no spin" but not books from today? Really?

That right there says you haven't read period books of US history then. And not possible spin but blatant spin. The period of the civil war is clouded today much bs and spinthe Democrats try to proclaim freeing the slaves poppycock period books referred to them as slaveocrats because of support of slavery.

Planned Parenthood was a eugenics brain child Margaret Sanger founder was full eugenics people of color were the primary target. And the poor useless eaters. But schools push its a womans right . By not telling them where Planned Parenthood came from is POLITICAL SPIN.

Using the US legally enslaving is a poor choice slaves had to be bought not captured in US later could not have been captured in the Americas . Native Americans were enslaved by Spain and Mexico. They had to be sold by a foreign slave trader . Once bought that way then they could be bought and sold freely. Any form is wrong old Jewish laws and Islamic laws accept slavery . Totally incomparable with today's society do we let these laws creep in ?

The 3/5 by law was bs. but from various scholars depending on where women are 1/4 or 1/10 of a mans testimony in Islamic states . Dont want that either.

I'm beginning to wonder if you even know about the Spanish & Portuguese slave systems of "encomienda", "repartimiento",

This is how Hopis Zuni and other Natives ended up as slaves in the southwest and sold . A land grant reaped 2000 slaves a whole city was now the owners slaves.


I still feel 2 legal systems not going to work . Even with US tribal law is based on US laws. And Us Government is based on Iroquois system of democratic / republic government.