How Did the Deceased Sandy Hook Shooter Get Into the Fetal Position?

originally posted by: amberinsc

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Just an observation. Have you ever noticed that people seem to have a keen sense of when something isn't right? 9/11, etc...we collectively believe there is a conspiracy or cover-up and I believe we are usually right. Even when we can't point a finger at why and even when we don't have any evidence...we all just seem to know something is afoul and that government is lying to us about these events. JFK was an obvious one and to this day we don't really know the truth. Which sadly also tells me we will never know the real story behind many of these conspiracies.

Our government covers-up or maybe actually kills the citizens of this country...we know it by intuition...and yet we continue feeding the beast while they continue their deeds. Really kinda sad, stupid and delusional.

I think you are right, but why? I am not saying that SH was orchestrated by our government or some black ops, but something does seem off about it all. If it was, then why? Is it about gun restriction, or instilling fear? I am sure this could be accomplished without innocent children being involved.

''Amber,

This is why the "no children theory" has been created IMO again IMO, as a way to justify why this could happen from the government logically, cause no one could butcher a school of children and have that many people cover it up, many of which are parents themselves in the same community.

originally posted by: amberinsc

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Just an observation. Have you ever noticed that people seem to have a keen sense of when something isn't right? 9/11, etc...we collectively believe there is a conspiracy or cover-up and I believe we are usually right. Even when we can't point a finger at why and even when we don't have any evidence...we all just seem to know something is afoul and that government is lying to us about these events. JFK was an obvious one and to this day we don't really know the truth. Which sadly also tells me we will never know the real story behind many of these conspiracies.

Our government covers-up or maybe actually kills the citizens of this country...we know it by intuition...and yet we continue feeding the beast while they continue their deeds. Really kinda sad, stupid and delusional.

I think you are right, but why? I am not saying that SH was orchestrated by our government or some black ops, but something does seem off about it all. If it was, then why? Is it about gun restriction, or instilling fear? I am sure this could be accomplished without innocent children being involved.

An odd comment, what possibly works better at accomplishing anything, than sacrificing innocent children, or making people believe that is what happened ???

Another little known / little discussed factoid that, while fairly anecdotal and random, is nonetheless compelling:

Shortly after the event, there was some guy posting online (can't recall where) who was claiming that he had played computer games online with Adam Lanza regularly.

Now, anyone can claim anything, but this guy had and posted a picture of Adam Lanza sitting at his computer which was apparently taken from Lanza's webcam. The fact that he was able to post this picture lends some credibility to his claim.

Some of what the guy said about Lanza was very intriguing, IMHO.

For one, he said something about Lanza and his mother being involved in some "weird stuff" (to paraphrase) with some military guy.

He also said that Lanza had said some strange things like, "If the government asked you to be part of a secret program, would you do it?" (again, paraphrasing).

Anyone else remember seeing this?

I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: Here's the photo. Have to sleuth out the rest.

He was placed there like a sacrificial lamb...

a reply to: muchmadness

Here we go.

It was on 4chan, and wasn't soon after the event but in 2014.



Here's the source where you can enlarge and read the screen capture.

a reply to: muchmadness

I'm sorry but...did that guy really try to do an AMA because he played Starcraft with Lanza? Really? And those were the best things he could come up with?

It screams of an attention grab to me.

Also, there was the very odd "busted shill" incident which suggests that the Special Activities Division of the CIA's National Clandestine Service was, for some reason, trolling forum discussions on Sandy Hook.

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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: muchmadness

I'm sorry but...did that guy really try to do an AMA because he played Starcraft with Lanza? Really? And those were the best things he could come up with?

It screams of an attention grab to me.

Of course it does, but if it were true it would also scream of an attention grab.

What he says, however, would fit nicely with many of the other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point to Lanza being patsied.

There are also tidbits such as the fact that there were TWO GPS units confiscated by police - one from the black Honda and one from Lanza's closet.

The one in the car had some strange locations "favorited" in it, like some military museum in California and a number of fancy restaurants in New York City. A bit strange for a shut-in like Adam Lanza.

Also, after the two GPS units were handed over to the feds for analysis, they somehow became only ONE unit in subsequent reports. Fishy as hell.

a reply to: muchmadness

He does an "AMA" over 18 months after an incident and....that's it? That's all he's got? That's as specific as he can get?

18 months is a lot of time to come up with a couple of sentences to say somebody said.

Not throwing out the other inconsistencies at all, but I'm not jumping on the AMA gravy train.

Revealing thread, like many others, and others that never got the time to reveal content.

It's a shame, mockery, diservice, let down, and failure to those who died including Adam himself. Just like Aurora, 9/11, Boston etc.. the lost lives will never get the justice they deserve because of lies, deceit, manipulation...

Makes me sick, and those behind such events listed, as Unity implied, will have karma in another space or later in their life. And they deserve it.

originally posted by: amberinsc

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Just an observation. Have you ever noticed that people seem to have a keen sense of when something isn't right? 9/11, etc...we collectively believe there is a conspiracy or cover-up and I believe we are usually right. Even when we can't point a finger at why and even when we don't have any evidence...we all just seem to know something is afoul and that government is lying to us about these events. JFK was an obvious one and to this day we don't really know the truth. Which sadly also tells me we will never know the real story behind many of these conspiracies.

Our government covers-up or maybe actually kills the citizens of this country...we know it by intuition...and yet we continue feeding the beast while they continue their deeds. Really kinda sad, stupid and delusional.

I think you are right, but why? I am not saying that SH was orchestrated by our government or some black ops, but something does seem off about it all. If it was, then why? Is it about gun restriction, or instilling fear? I am sure this could be accomplished without innocent children being involved.

I know no more than you, and about this specific topic...probably less. But I've come to think of it this way. Our longtime "leaders" no longer view us or respect us as human citizens. We are livestock. They milk us when they need more money, they allow us to exist and be fed and somewhat comfortable living on their farm with them in the nice warm farmhouse and us in the barns. We have been branded and rated for our value. Right now, they have decided we are a bit of a nuisance threat and we are no longer producing enough for them. So they are attempting to disarm us, turn us on each other and bringing in more livestock (illegals) to produce more for them.

Don't forget the end game. We work...they take all the money...they give us what they decide we need. Everything happening is simply a means to an end. Where it fits in...I'm not sure. Obama was a dramatic step forward for them knocking the country down a rung or two and pitting us against each other while increasing the herd. We've been fattened up and made lazy and weak. We are very, very controllable at this point. Like veal. Funny in a way...but also quite sad.

I can even hear it in their voices. You see them lie and not even care that we know. It is like the farmer scattering feed and saying "Come on you idiot cows, here ya go, keep eating you pains in the ass...here ya go".

Sorry...forgot your comment about children. Got caught up there If you want to make an extreme point...you have to do something extreme. So extreme that people say "how horrible" and don't consider any human let alone our leaders would ever consider. Just another distraction. They have been doing this for decades and have gotten very good at it. And what is a child worth to people that don't care about us. We are a commodity that in their minds, are often more valuable dead than alive...assuming the death causes the desired reaction.

Yes...I actually believe it has gotten THAT bad from both sides of the spectrum.

The greatest trick is that we'll be debating this incident for years to come yet we'll never come any closer to the truth. This is how false flag operations work. Throw in so many questionable variables, leaving society to rumage through the pieces, many of which aren't there. Distract the minority that actually pays one iota to whats going on until the next FF. Reset the counter. Business as usual.

a reply to: Vaedur

To add to that, I don't believe police officers have the authority to pronounce someone deceased. Therefore, a suspect always gets cuffed regardless of their state. Plus what if zombies happen?

a reply to: Zephyranth

It's sad that in this day and time we have people who go out of their way to bring up irrelevant details of horrible tragic acts. This obsession with these types of crimes is sign of where we are today. I think the whole theory of looking at such a tragic event is sickening. Why would anyone want to let their mind linger on horrible details. I just don't understand that type of mind.

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a reply to: Variable

Because information saves lives.

This is why the Columbine families have worked tirelessly for decades to ensure that documents on their own tragedy were made public. They have provided over 30,000 pages of documentation, 7000 of which consists of unredacted testimony, much of it from juveniles.

Very few investigations truly answer all the questions in a year or so's time; it takes years of followup work to get at the rest of the story.

With Sandy Hook, for example, the information that the roads were swiftly blocked has never been made public. Had this truth been in the headlines from day one, along with the tragedy, we'd have seen immediate political and social action to help towns of all sizes re-train on whatever series of problems led to the road blockage.

Just as importantly, an honest investigation into the law enforcement delay inside the school would have made clear why that delay happened, and allowed us to figure out how to prevent it from happening.

But because asking these questions is "cruel" and "conspiratorial" etc., these lifesaving measures haven't been taken. Literally no small towns in America know that these problems likely cost lives at Sandy Hook and could very well cost lives elsewhere.

It is for these reasons that a democracy encourages investigation of tragedies and their causes, and especially of horrific tragedies.

The fetal position question isn't an irrelevant detail; it is literally one of the clearest indications as to what caused officers to fatally delay their most important task after suppressing the threat: contacting dispatch immediately to call for more ambulances.

Minute, after minute, after minute passed by, with no call for those units. That is a tragedy on top of a tragedy.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
50lb of gear and he weighs a little over 120lbs yet can move freely through the campus without it weighing him down.

While some of the points brought up are interesting. This doesn't sound like anything to bring up. I weigh 130lbs and carry a 70lb tool bag around at work everyday. I have walked through car plants with it for nearly a mile. Carry, work for 10 hours, carry it back.I have to imagine his gear's weight distributed a lot better than the tool bag hanging off my shoulder. While it seemed like a straw man point before, I don't even think it is a valid one at that.

a reply to: ohhwataloser

Mmmm, I doubt you could carry that very easily your first days, strawman comparison really.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Whether it's easy to do or not is immaterial. It can be done.

And really, assuming Lanza did what is claimed, knowing he's only going to be packing that weight for a short time why would it be so impossible?

Good lord. I hate carrying groceries because my kids eat like locusts, but I only have to carry them from the car to the house and then it's done. I don't leave them in the car just because it's a crapload of food to carry.

FWIW, "Lanza" weighed 112 lbs according to the autopsy.

a reply to: muchmadness

From the start of this tragedy, so many inconsistencies will keep this story smoldering for years to come. IMO, it will be a small part of the story that comes to light that will unravel this mess--like the identity and purpose behind the "unnamed convicted felon from a New York state database found on crime scene evidence".

You posted the discrepancies I've never found satisfactory answers to, not including the strange behavior exhibited by the ME during press releases.