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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Yeah, but, sorry dearest, it still kinda sounds like you possibly see me as if I'm some kind of "innocent" or "ignoramous" in this. Like somehow you and Disraeli and Ketsuko and so on et al "get it", you are "seniors"......where I'm just sort of a middle-schooler, or an adult too thick to do so, who is simply ill equipped to think clearly about philosophical things.
On the contrary. It's the other way round.
God has deliberately selected us thick people in preference to the deep philosophers;
"Not many of you were wise according to worldly standards... but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise" (1 Corinthians ch1 vv26-27).
originally posted by: WarminIndy
I think though, to be fair, you are looking at it through a 21st Century viewfinder, shamanism is the oldest form of religious worship and shamanism didn't depend on religious texts, it was by direct experience with the divine. And these shamans didn't just experience it through mushrooms. That notion is dismissive of thousands of years of cultures and civilizations well before Remus and Romulus ever suckled the wolf mother.
Yes. I wondered if that was your basic premise.
You were drawing the inference that you were being regarded as a middle-schooler or thick adult in comparison with us "wise" Christians.
So I was drawing attention to Paul's observation that God had deliberately gone for those who were weak or foolish, by worldly standards, as distinct from those who were powerful or wise by worldly standards.
In other words, as I thought, putting nobody down except myself.
Did I mention that I'm British? Self-deprecating humour is one of the things we do.
If you can find anything insulting in that, then your own mistrustful streak may be showing.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Ah. Okay, to me it sounded like an attack - but still - so, am I "in" or "out" of your saved club?
We have to TALK to each other in order to understand each other.
It comes back to, how does one actually KNOW their God is the right, one true God. If the Christian God is real, than everyone else in other religions or positions of non-belief are going to be destroyed in Hell one day. Like I said in my previous post, the adherents of those other religions KNOW just as much that their God is the one true God(s) as you do.
So being objective about it, you can't actually say you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your particular God and religious narrative are the truth.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Ah. Okay, to me it sounded like an attack - but still - so, am I "in" or "out" of your saved club?
No idea. My point was simply to deny that the "saved club" were claiming to be wiser than you.
We have to TALK to each other in order to understand each other.
Yes, that's what I was trying to do.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Why do you think we have souls?
What is the purpose of the soul?
Think of yourself like someone being put into an arranged marriage by your parents. How can you be expected to have any real degree of loyalty or fidelity to your groom when you haven't met no matter how much about him your parents tell you? That's not about any kind of ignorance at all.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: WarminIndy
Before you even get to faith, there has to be experience first. Call it gnosis if you like. Once you have gnosis, then the rest comes.
And I hope that all makes sense. BuzzyWigs cannot be forced to have fidelity toward a God that she doesn't know.
In a way, that's quite eloquent. I could take it as alleging "ignorance", but I know you well enough, I think, to determine that what you mean is that "my" path is okay, even if I don't believe the Bible stuff the others believe.
And, that doesn't make me "defective". It just puts me on another path.
That is the best answer I can give right now.
It's perfect, if I've interpreted it correctly. If not, please let me know.
Thanks
originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: WarminIndy
Before you even get to faith, there has to be experience first. Call it gnosis if you like. Once you have gnosis, then the rest comes.
Yes. I speak from Gnosis. How about you...?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko
Think of yourself like someone being put into an arranged marriage by your parents. How can you be expected to have any real degree of loyalty or fidelity to your groom when you haven't met no matter how much about him your parents tell you? That's not about any kind of ignorance at all.
Quite. Thanks.
Yes. The things I do know, I trust.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: borntowatch
Don't tell me what I think. I'll tell YOU what I think, and yes, I AM curious.
It seems to me, yes.
Pardon me, but did you not just say that 'you' are able to tell what people are 'really' thinking and feeling because you are a 'highly sensitive person'?
Just how, by what mechanism are you 'knowing' what others think and feel.
Could not 'borntowatch' have the same abilities.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Sublimecraft
THAT is the kind of stuff that really makes my hair stand on end. And your mention of the Dalai Lama being identifiable - they show the new 'suspected' child several objects, some of which were favorites of the older Dalai Lama (who is at that point discarnate), and some of which are just random 'pretties' and baubles and such.
If the child selects the former Lama's possessions it seems to be the same soul returned again.