Encounter with "Black Eyed Person" / strange anti-Catholic disappearing woman

I honestly think given that this woman cleary dissapeared out of sight mixed with all the other unusual facts involved, the op likely will not see her again.

She was probably a thought form projection. Yes these exist. If you tried trapping her in a closet she would probably dissapear. Because she is just a projection of Somethings thought. Not an actual being with a soul. Similar to a holographic projection. I'm no expert. But I am positive these types of beings exist. Similar to the men in black.

Just my 2 cents

Great post, Del. Deserves posting again. Deception--of others AND self--is the basis of Magic(k). I know what you mean about both the apparent "manifestations" and also the deceptive tricks. I spent some time around a Mage of considerable reputation. I could easily see his bull# and the way he had mixed the truth of his biography with lies to become the image of himself he wanted to be. He seemed to actually have come to believe it himself. I was very astonished to see, then, how he was adored and revered by a group of what seemed to be folk of above-average intelligence. His "magic" certainly worked on them. A google search should give anyone pause before accepting his stories outright, yet none of them apparently had or would even consider it. He had them enthralled all day. In the meantime, I watched him have a pretty pitiful meltdown when the crowd wasn't around. Funny, though: This "mage" does have legitimate connection to the MK-Umbrella of associated research...Oy, I think I just strange-looped myself!

originally posted by: DelMarvel
I also will add that I have seen a human with what appeared to me at the time to have impossibly dilated black pupils filling up impossibly huge eyes the size of half dollars or silver dollars.

He was presented to me as someone channelling an Archangel. This was a group of western occultists. I immediately left their home. I had met the person in question many times before and many time afterwards. He was a nondescript fellow with not a lot going for him and a very modest and open biography; no evidence whatsoever of creepiness or paranormal ability other than that incident. He explained to me that he was able to do that after years of training with the occultists employing rather boring sounding self awareness exercises that sounded like something out of Castaneda.

So, I'm not convinced this appearance isn't within the realm of physical reality for a normal human being.

I will also add that these occultists did seem to be able to achieve manifestations that I could not explain within my current paradigm. HOWEVER--I also caught them going to great lengths to try and trick me into thinking something supernatural had occurred when it had not.

If I were you I would go back to that church to see if that woman was there again. I would also investigate by asking everyone there including the minister (s) if they knew who she was. I'm not saying there might not have been a "super"natural component that you were reacting to but I'd be willing to wager a lot she is also a normal human being with a verifiable back story.

OP: You stated that you had no real concern until the lady "vanished." Why, then, did you follow her out the door at the accelerated pace you mentioned?

If people knew how easy it is to manipulate others and trick the mind to make it believe anything, and how some even make a business out of it.

Problem is so many people really want to believe in things making their life more special because they are bored.

Makes it even easier to manipulate and deceive them....


I love the supernatural, but years of study and personal experience showed me it's mostly 99% smokes and mirrors and only 1% of genuine strangeness.


There is nothing worse than someone who pretends he wants to understand the supernatural while in fact all he wants is to personally experience it. All he eventually achieves is to deceive and put himself at the mercy of manipulators.

a reply to: therainmaker

play her game and see what you can get from it? Or is a mundane life all you want?

Be prudent but see what benefits can be gained from these encounters. Even if she wasnt totally human, what does it change? If you show fear, you show your weakness and create a predator-prey relationship. If she is anything otherworldy, chances are there is much to gain from her but dont put yourself in a victim mindset or you invite harm and manipulation. You should stay at ease and never show any surprise whatever she says. Like in poker, stay cool but alert.

Next time you see her, just ask directly why her eyes are this way.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I for one would be very interested in reading about some of your encounters, if you'd care to share. Maybe a thread on those? I do think some people can see things others cannot. I can sense, for example, evil spirits, now and then (not often, thankfully!!), but my oldest can see them. She can point to where I sense something, and has many times, when I indicated no direction. Not a nice sight, from her reactions. More like what you describe, in the feel.

You know, maybe I will do just that...it's always surprising to me that anyone would be interested in reading about my experiences but several other people have suggested the same thing. I guess it's one of those things where I've had such a strange connection with the paranormal my entire life that it just seems completely normal and everyday, lol.

I think that certain predispositions toward psychic or other gifts are genetic. It sounds like your daughter inherited a gift from you and I think it's awesome that you're encouraging her to develop it. I think most people start out with the ability to perceive/see things and that ability becomes dulled as they get older, but some of us retain (and even expand on) it and it's always been an intriguing mystery as to why that occurs.

In the case of the OP it is of course possible that the lady was just creepy and happened to have an optical condition that caused her irises to turn black, but as he stated, all of the other things combined with her sudden disappearance make it pretty hard to brush off as just some random weird encounter. I too have been approached by one of these creatures while others were present and though it showed itself to me, the other people in the room did not react. And it knew they couldn't see it. In fact, it was smug about it. That is the impression that I got from what the OP described as well, and it immediately got my attention. She singled him out, and I would love to know why.

I don't think they have need of a corporeal form where they come from, so they "borrow" human bodies. Charles Manson has one inside of him. You can see in photos when it is dominating him and when it is not. Even people who are unable to physically see the change in his eyes are so unsettled by him that no one goes into a room with him alone. I bet your daughter could see it right away in photos.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I did a quick check of the harbinger and the blood moons and found what you said the woman was referring to.
This is a copy and paste from the page i found, in no way do i believe this to be true, but it will shed some light on what the woman was talking about with the blood moon reference for the OP:

"The last blood moon of the four blood moon tetrad in 2014/2015 happens on September 28, 2015 on the Jewish holiday, “Feast of tabernacles”. In the book of Joel we read Joel 2:31: The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. Revelation 6:12: I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood. It could be that the Lord will delay nuclear war until after March 9, 2016 when a total solar eclipse will engulf the earth. There is another total eclipse on March 20, 2015, so we really can’t know when the first nuclear missile will hit."

Its interesting how the woman said in the fall and the first date i found for the next blood moon was Sept 28/15

originally posted by: tigertatzen
I too have been approached by one of these creatures

The "creature" the OP met was regurgitating all the religious end times conspiracy nonsense you read on sites like ATS.

Sorry I've met real paranormal entities too. They don't speak like conspiracy theorists.

At best it was a crazy lady. At worse a projection of OP's mind.

a reply to: JUhrman

Mydriasis and Aniridia.

It was actually posted many times in the thread. Mydriasis is also a side effect of many drugs which would totally explain the "unusual" behaviors.

Not saying supernatural things don't exist, just saying ignoring the natural is not any wiser than denying the supernatural.

I am aware that it was posted many times in the thread. I am also aware of those conditions being a possible explanation for what is described in the OP; I have SLE and personally have had mydriasis twice in my life and it really, really sucks. One of my pupils never fully returned to normal, and I cannot go anywhere without my sunglasses because, even years later, bright light is excruciating. I am simply describing the appearance of the eyes; your blind assumption about my intent and reasoning is patently incorrect, and of course there are numerous possibilities as there are with everything. Although I will say this: of the two, it is most likely not mydriasis...he described a complete occlusion of the iris. Even severe mydriasis will still typically show at least a sliver of iris.

The creatures I am referring to from my own personal experience do not have eyes that look like the result of either one of those conditions. And not everyone can see them. The reason I felt compelled to even comment in the first place was not the eyes. It was the other things he described; the behavior, the sense that he should not reveal his name, the dominating body language, her strange disappearance. Those are not symptoms of mydriasis or aniridia, and that is what got my attention.

An old lady suffering from an intensely painful eye condition, standing around at church just talking and chatting as if nothing were amiss, with nothing to protect her eyes from the light seems about as far from "natural" as you can get already, but add in the dominating toe-stepping behavior, bizarre statements and the visceral reaction those things caused in him, and of course her sudden, inexplicable disappearance and I think it's pretty safe to say that puts the whole encounter solidly in the "unnatural" category. Just saying, it could be either one...trying to dismiss the entire encounter by focusing on one small facet of it is even less wise. There is far more to his story than just weird looking eyes, so don't limit yourself like that. It makes people appear close-minded and biased when they fail to analyze the bigger picture rather than just one little slice of it.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
There is far more to his story than just weird looking eyes, so don't limit yourself like that.

If you read my posts in this thread you'll see it's hardly the case. I consider the eyes as anecdotal. The most interesting to me is what she said. And that is copy paste from various end-times religious websites.

Also I had mydriasis too several times and it was hardly "intensely painful" (it was painless) so your mileage may vary.

Finally it's not up to you to judge if our hypothesis are relevant or not. It's the OP. In the dim light of a church, a dark brown iris with mydriasis is probably hard to distinguish from the pupil.


And regarding the sense of dread caused by these "creatures" I already posted how I was causing the same to other people. Making them feel uncomfortable. Telling them mystical truths. Guessing things about them like I was a psychic.

I was one of the creature you talk about to the people I was speaking to. That's what I and the other people who posted about "magicians" deceiving people were talking about.

You have no idea how easy it is to do it.


I could tell people what they were thinking about, then predicting their future, and they would thank me for it.


Most people just crave for supernatural. So hard they'll see it at the first opportunity.




I'm not proud of what I did, but I was psychotic. At least it taught me how most people are very easily deceived. And yet I still believe in the paranormal because I have seen and heard things that even science and logic can't explain.


But this case doesn't sound like one. Because that lady was talking like a crazy person.

a reply to: JUhrman

Sorry I've met real paranormal entities too. They don't speak like conspiracy theorists.

Oh? How awesome for you. That's a really cool story but we're not discussing " real paranormal entities" in this thread, so why don't you just dispense with the childish sarcasm and pathetic attempts at superiority? It's really not necessary, and it makes you look like a complete jerk. The creature I am referring to didn't speak of conspiracy either. He spoke of the end of the world and when I laughed at him, he physically attacked me and scratched my face. I kind of got the feeling he didn't really like the way I laugh.

The "creature" the OP met was regurgitating all the religious end times conspiracy nonsense you read on sites like ATS.

You mean sites like the ATS on which you are posting comments right now? I'm guessing the irony of that ridiculous statement completely escaped you.

a reply to: tigertatzen

There is no attempt at superiority from me. I openly shared I went crazy.

There is only an attempt at more critical sense and less wishful thinking.

Also I made no judgement about your experience. Only the OP's one.

I'm sorry you are on the defensive side and feel the urge to verbally attack me (I'm used to it, it's never easy when your beliefs are challenged). I never attacked anyone in this thread and only shared my personal experience. That you take it almost like a personal attack is not a good sign.

EVERYTHING considered supernatural should be allowed to be challenged. If not it's a one way road to delusion.

a reply to: therainmaker

I think you have more to gain than lose. Embrace the experience and seek the knowledge of the old woman. For all you know it's Odin in a different form.

Barring the blood moons, her examination of things to come see strangely astute. Again, I would seek her out. Hell, send her my way. Where do I go to meet this old woman?

a reply to: tigertatzen

I'm really sorry you take this conversation to the level of personal attacks.

a reply to: Hr2burn

Really hits me oddly that a black eyed person would be hanging at a church event...perhaps it was more sinister than that.

That is probably the 2nd oddest aspect to the story for me too...the first being her stepping on his foot like a canine.

a reply to: JUhrman

I'm really sorry you take this conversation to the level of personal attacks.

It is equally unfortunate that you felt it was acceptable to personally attack me first and be so unnecessarily rude, mocking and nasty. I do not respond well to that behavior, nor am I going to start to any time soon.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
It is equally unfortunate that you felt it was acceptable to personally attack me first and be so unnecessarily rude, mocking and nasty.

If you can point me to that part I will gladly apologize to you.

originally posted by: JUhrman

It wouldn't be so bad if people did not get super defensive when you try to be critical.

a reply to: JUhrman

I've followed this thread and in no place did you attack or make fun of the tigertatzen woman you began arguing with. You expressed and argued your points quite clearly.

You actually behaved like a gentleman, in the face of her low "you didn't take your medications" ad-hominem attacks on you (which to me seem especially vile, after you publicly came forward acknowledging a psychotic breakdown).

Kudos on your behaviour, and on taking the higher road, my good sir!

Shame on you, tigertatzen...

On topic, OP, why don't you just face that old lady and ask her all the questions you have next time you see her (if at all)? I mean, I'm sure you are a tough LEO, she's just a crazy old lady with an eye condition! What could happen to you, at the very worst??

OK, folks.

this is going to be asked once, and once only.

Post to the topic, and not each other.

So knock it off.