Encounter with "Black Eyed Person" / strange anti-Catholic disappearing woman

Thanks again to everyone for all of the great replies! I am learning something new every day because of it.

I am taking off on a little vacation in the morning and will probably not be able to get online until Tuesday or so, but this issue is still a big concern to me. Though I am now much more calm and pensive and really considering all of the many possible avenues.

There is no doubt that I will be going back to the church as soon as possible, I am so intrigued now! That would be Sunday, May 31. So while there won't be any major updates until then, I will keep reading and thinking of more things to share.

I did speak to my relative again, but I could not draw out with any more details. I am handling this with kid gloves as they say, so as not to make my relative upset. Though the info may come out slowly as we tend to have short conversations due to my limited availability for personal calls while at work.

a reply to: JUhrman

I'd like to know more . Like what style of clothes?, did she have an odour?, what accent did she have? , What was the hair colour?, what were hands like, well groomed or workers type of hand?. Did she smile, or was of earnest disposition?. What weight? ,was she well fed and healthy looking? . Did she have a staccato gait ?, were her eyes all over the place or steady?. What age did she appear to be?. Did she eat or drink anything? Did her body appear to be normal? What were the weather conditions? It does sound like a Paranormal contact. Were their any synchronicities leading up to the meeting in the couple of days before?. Does your elative remember things in the same sequences?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: JUhrman

I'd like to know more . Like what style of clothes?, did she have an odour?, what accent did she have? , What was the hair colour?, what were hands like, well groomed or workers type of hand?. Did she smile, or was of earnest disposition?. What weight? ,was she well fed and healthy looking? . Did she have a staccato gait ?, were her eyes all over the place or steady?. What age did she appear to be?. Did she eat or drink anything? Did her body appear to be normal? What were the weather conditions? It does sound like a Paranormal contact. Were their any synchronicities leading up to the meeting in the couple of days before?. Does your elative remember things in the same sequences?

Hello,

I addressed some of that a few posts back.

No odor, no accent in her speech, no regional dialect that I could pick up on. She seemed well-educated and was well-spoken. Her hands were so wrinkled and tanned that it was difficult to tell what kind of a life they had led. She was about five feet tall and probably around 120lb in weight. Her overall demeanor was friendly and pleasant. I would say she was about 75 years old. Her gait was normal, nothing unusual.

She did not partake in any food or drink, but that is a great point, because free coffee and snacks were being handed out at the table that we stood next to for the entire conversation, and most people had at least one item from the table.

Weather was warm, sunny, clear, and humid.

What a bunch of nonsense from the OP.

No one wears hiking boots to church. What kind of backwards, hillbilly church was this that hiking boots are acceptable attire? That right there tells me this is a bunch of foolishness. If someones can't dress themselves correctly, why'd I believe their random musings?

a reply to: therainmaker

Anything else happening since? Dreams? Waking up at weird hours? Any weird marks on our body? Weird soreness that you can't remember banging yourself on anything?

a reply to: MysticPearl

Hehehe - God judges you by your shoes now as well? Brilliant!

EDIT: (I know I know... I thought it was funny and worth comment).

originally posted by: MysticPearl
What a bunch of nonsense from the OP.

No one wears hiking boots to church. What kind of backwards, hillbilly church was this that hiking boots are acceptable attire? That right there tells me this is a bunch of foolishness. If someones can't dress themselves correctly, why'd I believe their random musings?

Ha ha, really? I have never seen a church with a dress code.

I wear hiking boots everywhere, technically "tactical boots", as I am often on call for work and need to be able to respond at a moment's notice. I do not have a choice in the matter.

Furthermore, in this area, many people (like myself) move here because of the outdoor recreation. It is not like where I come from, where planning a hike means a long drive and three days of preparation. It is not uncommon to meet up with friends for an impromptu hike or bird watching walk. Hiking boots and similar supportive footwear are very common. The "hillbilly" types are not hikers, nor do they usually wear any footwear that I would choose for a safe hike.

a reply to: therainmaker

Anyway, what's the probability in %, that the lady DID NOT leave the church through that door and rather stayed inside the building?

originally posted by: Necrose
a reply to: therainmaker

Anyway, what's the probability in %, that the lady DID NOT leave the church through that door and rather stayed inside the building?

Good point where were the toilets?

a reply to: MysticPearl
I have attended church in full hiking gear complete with rucksack. Why would that be so odd unless it was in the middle of a city I suppose. But in the countryside most types of dress are accepted in church.

originally posted by: Necrose
a reply to: therainmaker

Anyway, what's the probability in %, that the lady DID NOT leave the church through that door and rather stayed inside the building?

I don't have much time on here as I am using a commercial wifi connection, but there is no chance that she went elsewhere. No threshold room, alcove, mud room, etc., nothing of the sort was between the door I followed her through and the outdoors.

I am bringing an extra person with me next time, and we are going to have a plan if we see this woman

a reply to: therainmaker



Crazy story OP truth be told I want a run in with a Black eyes whatever they are. I have some serious questions and hopefully I can keep a clear enough mind to ask them.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
I like the personal accounts a whole lot too...they're what drew me here three years ago. I've never joined a forum before that. It's really exciting to discover that other people have similar (or even the same) things happen to them, and it's a real relief to get that validation that you're not just "weird" or something. I mean, nobody wants to be just like everyone else but it's nice to know you're not alone out there

Oh, "weird" has always seemed normal to me! The family has a ton of ghost stories, and my dad was interested in all sorts of topics, so I grew up hearing all kinds of cool stories. It's great to be able to read more here, too, especially since he's not around any longer. I think he'd have liked this site.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
My maternal family are Choctaw and several of them shamans or seers, and on my dad's side a long line of Scottish Witches and Masons, so pretty much every branch of the family has at least one offspring who is gifted in this way. In my immediate family it is my cousin, myself and my daughter. I suspect my mother has some abilities but they don't fit in with her religious beliefs so she stifles them, and she absolutely won't talk about it.

Well, there is Indian on my mother's side, for certain, probably Creek. Scottish as well, on both sides, though no idea of any "weirdness" or lack thereof. But, that part of the world, it's common, so probably. My mother would know things at times, which both my sister and I can do as well, and my oldest two. Not sure on the younger ones yet. My dad had something. We had a little "game" we'd do, where one would choose a random word, and the other would guess it, usually very fast. If we pushed it, though, and tried, it didn't work. I know what you mean about the beliefs, and the gifts supposedly "not fitting". I had a supposed friend call me a witch because I said I KNEW something, long before I had any facts (that later supported, 100%, what I said), that she didn't want to believe. The simple truth is, though, that this isn't anything wrong, but is a real gift, listed in the Bible with other spiritual gifts. There are two that can fit; discernment and prophecy. The former I have in spades, and the latter, some, though not as strong. Sounds like you do as well. People can be funny about those gifts. Even Christians, or especially Christians, can be seriously nasty about it. The same person that called me a witch suggested that what I could do "was probably demonic". She then said she knew someone else who could do stuff, such as knowing who was on the phone when it rang, and that person prayed about it, that if it was from evil, it would go away, and it did. So, because she heard this, she assumed anything similar must be evil. She was ticked off when I told her I had prayed about it, many times, and it was still as strong as ever. Jealousy, maybe, that God gave me something that she didn't have?

originally posted by: tigertatzen
That's probably the hardest to deal with--just knowing things and not being able to explain exactly how you know them or convey the fact that it's not a guess or speculation; you actually know it to be true. No one doubts me much anymore, particularly about foreshadowing and things like that, because I am usually right...and if I didn't think I was, I wouldn't bother to tell them in the first place. I don't clearly understand the mechanism by which the information reaches me, but it is a very distinct and singular feeling: stop what you're doing and pay attention; this is important.

Definitely!! People don't want to believe that you can KNOW something. My husband didn't believe I could "send" thoughts, or that others could "hear" them, till he saw it in action. We were watching television, and my oldest was there as well. I had a fingerprint or something on my glasses, and planned to ask for a tissue on the commercial break. She was halfway around the room, not looking my way. She reached over to the box, and said, "Here", handing me a tissue, as though I'd asked out loud. He just sat there stunned. I know that feeling well! You just can't NOT listen!!

originally posted by: tigertatzen
I read pretty much every BEK/BEP account that I come across, because I had no idea that other people saw these creatures too (and they are creatures; they are not human nor were they ever human), and they are the only "supernatural" (I really hate that word) beings that have ever frightened me...and it's not a fear based on their appearance, but on the wrongness of them.

Their speech, their body language, the flat affect of their gaze...*snip*That is what makes them so intensely creepy...they are essentially "wearing" a human being, like a costume.

They seem to be highly amused by the charade, hence the smugness: I know that YOU know that I know that YOU know... They also know that not everyone can see them for what they are. And I'll tell you something else about them...fear is a delight to them, so when they single someone out, they expect to instill fear ..*snip*.. And when that doesn't happen they become more aggressive, e.g., the toe stepping and mocking the OP.. *snip* ..Instead, he spoiled her fun.

Other than that one weird night (posted a thread on it), I don't know if I have encountered that sort or not. I have met some I'd say had something demonic in them. Once, at the hotel where I worked, a guy was approaching (normal businessman in appearance), and he felt so wrong I ducked into the back before he got inside. I did NOT want to even see him up close, or him see me. Nothing weird, as far as the other clerk could tell, but he was OFF.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

Yes! Yes, yes, yes. We are 100% on the same wavelength. He also looked bewildered, as if he was not sure what exactly had happened to him. I don't believe the host is cognizant of these beings' occupation of their bodies. I also believe that a lot of what people refer to as "demons" are actually beings much like (or in some cases, even the same as) these. I don't believe in satan or any of that, but I definitely do believe that true evil exists, in our world and every other one in the Universe.

YES! Lost, bewildered, and abandoned. He may well not have known. I do consider demons to be beings in their own right, never human, something evil. Satan is just one of them, not some equal-but-opposite to God.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
The fact that it is a Catholic church strikes me as odd. Baptists, I could see doing that with no problem but Catholics, not so much.

I think the place was nondenominational, and the OP was raised Catholic.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
What a bunch of nonsense from the OP.

No one wears hiking boots to church. What kind of backwards, hillbilly church was this that hiking boots are acceptable attire? That right there tells me this is a bunch of foolishness. If someones can't dress themselves correctly, why'd I believe their random musings?

There are plenty of churches that don't concern themselves with ho people dress, and jeans and boots are more common than you might think. There is no "correct" way to dress for church, other than decently. Assuming someone is lyng because of their choice in footwear seems like a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

a reply to: therainmaker

Hi therainmaker ... the foot thing, thats something psychics do during readings. She was forming a link and was empathically reading you.

Black eyed people im aware off, but personally i choose NOT to focus on them or even give them any attention. Id rather not be in their vibration, i dont need the life lesson. Might be worth not trying to look so hard for these "entities" as they are likely to look back at you.

Sounds like a human person, but has got into conspiracy stuff too much and invited negative energies into and around her. Obsession is the first stages of possession... So shes needs to cool it, take a break ... sit and enjoy the sun. Eat and sleep well.

As for her disappearance, thats very odd... but like you said, you didnt actualy witness where she went. So this could be a misundertanding on your part, like a slight of hand thing. Just saying.

It is very spooky and odd though must admit

be well

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: ZacharyW

She was probably a thought form projection. Yes these exist. If you tried trapping her in a closet she would probably dissapear. Because she is just a projection of Somethings thought. Not an actual being with a soul. Similar to a holographic projection. I'm no expert. But I am positive these types of beings exist. Similar to the men in black.

I have never heard of this term before and I am intrigued. That could be a possible explanation for discrepancies in physical appearance as seen from one person to the next. I'm not sure I understand the concept of what you're saying fully...if you're talking about someone projecting a thought into actual form, but if it was some type of hologram, would it look exactly the same to other people who were looking at it? OP said his relative saw a different appearance of the eyes than he did...of course it's entirely possible that it could have been shadowing/lighting, but say it actually was one of these apparitions you describe; would it be able to interact with other people too?

In my personal experience years ago, other people saw the odd behavior, heard the strange speech, felt a sense of foreboding and a desire to get away from this creature, but only two of us saw the "dead" eyes and we were all mere inches away from him. Everyone else either couldn't remember or said he had blue eyes. That's not the first (or the last) time I've encountered one of these creatures, but it was the first time it happened in the immediate company of other people. He also disappeared suddenly, ran around to the side hallway and was gone, and everybody saw that happen. The hallway was empty other than the emergency exit, so there was nowhere for him to hide. If he was some type of projection, that would make sense too...but would a projection actually have physical mass? He definitely was real in the physical sense; he attacked me and knocked me down and started clawing at my face. Specifically my own eyes.

In expounding upon my original statement I step into territory uncomfortable for many...or perhaps so fringe it is easily discounted by many. This goes back to the Negatively oriented off-world presences on our Earth that (perhaps) have direct affiliation with those humans which are highly polarized towards the negative that exist in our "secret goverment"/military (i suppose). Yet I admit there is little to be publicly known. When stepping into this area of information if ones intuition is not highly refined, the interpretation of the information is easily convoluted/discounted. I am not someone who just stepped into this reality one day...I have been on this path of seeking internally for quite a while now and still consider myself amateur. I can point you in the direction of channeled information which has a high credibility rating and over-all consistency...thats pretty much the best its going to get when addressing this subject matter as there are no open "facts" available to the public on such highly fringe topics. Heres a good place to start: www.lawofone.info...

aside from the above link and the info it provides. My senses lead me to beielve these types of beings are created to spread fear and are only sent to interact with those who they feel they will have some impact on (fear wise). The idea being to leave people in awe and trembling in the power and mystery of that which the negative path has to offer. I am almost certain that this was not simply a "strange woman" and was indeed one of these thought form projections. The puppeteer was playing mind games with the OP...and it worked...it got to him...it chilled him to the bones. He will likely never see her again to get the "proof"/confirmation he is looking for and will be left with only a sense of fearful awe towards the experience. These thought-form projections would be less likely to be sent to someone aware of the nature of what they are as it would have no lasting effect on the consciousness of the individual. They are indeed solid and the "technology"/magic behind their existence is far, far beyond my understanding...but a result of highly developed minds who have the ability to create such projections either through some kind of evocation ritual and or technological/spiritual equipment. The details, as I said are beyond me. I just know in my heart that these beings are what they are, and at their base they are nothing more than an intricate design created to spread fear. They hold no real power, as nasty and stomach turning as they seem- This is all they have going for them.

a reply to: ZacharyW

My senses lead me to beielve these types of beings are created to spread fear and are only sent to interact with those who they feel they will have some impact on (fear wise). The idea being to leave people in awe and trembling in the power and mystery of that which the negative path has to offer.

That is pretty much the impression I have of them as well...and it works. It sounds like the OP is pretty stoic and used to hiding his feelings from outward scrutiny because of his background in law enforcement, etc. and, much like my encounter, seemed not to have reacted the way this creature expected him to, so she ramped it up a bit and when the reaction was still not what she desired, she disappeared. I agree it is unlikely that he will see her again, at least in the same physical form.

In my own encounter I felt immediately and very strongly that I was being tested for a certain reaction, and when I did not produce that reaction the attempt was redoubled, to which I then immediately reacted by laughing right in the creature's face, which caused him to become frustrated enough to physically attack me, in full view of a room full of people. It was a reaction of petulance, lashing out because he expected one thing and I gave him quite the opposite, although I actually was very unsettled by him...I just know from long experience that to show fear or trepidation is to show weakness, so I never do. And it seemed that he needed to see that outwardly, in order to be satisfied that he was sufficiently frightening...that he had "done his job".

Thank you very much for the information. I am most intrigued...and a lot of what you said really resonates. Blessed Be.

'a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Wow, I bet we'd have a LOT to chat about if we ever were to hang out!

I think the place was nondenominational, and the OP was raised Catholic.

Ok, that makes a bit more sense but still...the non-denominationals aren't usually "pushy friendly" like that are they? If I stepped foot inside a church I'd probably burst into flames at this point, so I'm not going to test it, but the way he describes it sounds almost cult-like...and very creepy. Sort of sets the stage for even more creepiness. Although I have always thought churches are scary no matter what the denomination.

a reply to: MysticPearl

What a bunch of nonsense from the OP.

No one wears hiking boots to church. What kind of backwards, hillbilly church was this that hiking boots are acceptable attire? That right there tells me this is a bunch of foolishness. If someones can't dress themselves correctly, why'd I believe their random musings?

Non-denominational churches typically do not have a "dress code". That is an outdated concept...sort of like the silly, archaic belief that an omnipotent being would actually care one whit about fashion. Were Adam and Eve, the alleged first ever existing humans wearing their "Sunday best"; dresses, suits and shiny shoes, fancy jewelry and other accouterments when they spoke to their alleged god? No. They were romping around buck naked in a garden, munching on forbidden fruit and talking to snakes. I'd say hiking boots are actually an upgrade by those standards. People can be so funny when they're acting superior and pompous though...that was actually so ridiculous it was almost kind of cute.

Not sure I have a whole lot to contribute but I look forward to hearing back about this if you make it to church this Sunday.

I'd say keep a close eye on her and cover all your exits. Bring friends, like you said. If you get that license plate number, write it down quickly, and pictures are always good if you can be discreet about it. No sense making her angry.