Good update on the 1994 Zimbabwe school aliens incident

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Did anyone notice how one of the girls said the craft was on its side sticking into the ground (rather like the cliche cartoon picture of a crashed saucer) but none of the others mentioned it?

I also spotted that while asking a group of children one after the other the first few children described some kind of classic alien looking creature and then after one said it had long hair all the following children said it had long hair as well.

Did anyone notice there wasn't a speck of emotion on any of their faces. After being 'asked' if they were scared they all agreed but their faces stayed blank.

Actually, one of the girls looked really scared and seemed like she didn't enjoy talking about it at all.

Of course the accounts will differ and change. They are children, imaginations run wild. But to have all seen something and be adamant after 20 years that there was something there and not slip up and say "hey, it was all a hoax" seems to be a decent reason to believe something happened.

a reply to: MrConspiracy

I agree, hardly any of them looked relaxed as they were asked questions. I was talking about the moment they said they were scared after being asked. When a person recalls something that has scared them badly they usually show some emotion on their faces especially if it just happened and is fresh in their minds and if they are young and inexperienced in holding in emotions. Kids give off micro movements more than adults.

Those kids just looked blank, not even a frown.

As for your statements that accounts will differ i couldn't disagree more. If a group of children saw two aliens they would remember 2 aliens not one. Thats not a small inconstancy they could have just forgotten.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Did anyone notice how one of the girls said the craft was on its side sticking into the ground (rather like the cliche cartoon picture of a crashed saucer) but none of the others mentioned it?

I also spotted that while asking a group of children one after the other the first few children described some kind of classic alien looking creature and then after one said it had long hair all the following children said it had long hair as well.

Did anyone notice there wasn't a speck of emotion on any of their faces. After being 'asked' if they were scared they all agreed but their faces stayed blank.

Actually, one of the girls looked really scared and seemed like she didn't enjoy talking about it at all.

Of course the accounts will differ and change. They are children, imaginations run wild. But to have all seen something and be adamant after 20 years that there was something there and not slip up and say "hey, it was all a hoax" seems to be a decent reason to believe something happened.

Exactly. Add a kid's natural inclination for the grandiose and hyper active imagination to this experience, it is all but certain some of the detailed accounts would differ and inconsistencies arise. However, the experience has never been denied, or proven a hoax, and the eye witnesses all maintain something of high strangeness occurred. This after decades of passed time.

It's in no way evidence of anything, but it is an extremely compelling account that a truly physical event occurred that day in 1994. Call it kismet, but I am just glad a man like John Mack happened to be in Africa and in close of enough proximity to approach this phenomena in the most rigorous way. You are truly missed, John Mack.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Actually, one of the girls looked really scared and seemed like she didn't enjoy talking about it at all.

Do you mean the one who made the break for 20 seconds? She just forgot the text.

It's 20 years - maybe the Zimbabwe Air force has historic radar tracking available since those things literally landed in their backyard.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

However, the experience has never been denied, or proven a hoax, and the eye witnesses all maintain something of high strangeness occurred.

All of them? How do you know that?

originally posted by: flyandi
It's 20 years - maybe the Zimbabwe Air force has historic radar tracking available since those things literally landed in their backyard.

As far as I can tell, nothing actually "landed". Whatever it was, it was at ground level behind trees and following a road.

This is one of the better pieces of evidence for the existence of other worldly life.... BUT....

I have a few problems with the accounts. Where is the gardeners testimony? We know he was there and (I guess?) the only adult outside with theses kids for some reason? Why are the kids testimony so varying. I understand physiological trauma could cause the inconsistencies.... perhaps but I'm not a psychiatrist.

And the lead interviewer most DEFINITELY led the kids with his questions. That "psychic communication" part of the interview proves this.

Also I am with one other person in this thread that when the kid said they were here because we didn't take care of the earth was patently made up.


I agree with most in this thread that something happened. What? UFOs? Hell... I dunno.

a reply to: beercan
Here are the initial interviews with some children by Cynthia Hind. You can see her looking through the stack of drawings and sorting through them. I guess she is picking the ones that look more like UFOs? During the interviews, the children all seem to be in agreement that there was one person there in black with long hair and they all refer to this person as a man or a guy....except for Cynthia who calls it a creature? The second to last child also describes how someone was telling everyone that there were UFOs outside or something. Not one claim of telepathy or anything resembling a grey alien. Compared to the Mack interviews where they look like more typical aliens and we now have telepathic communications. Interesting?

and some more on "the creature"

Mack:

Same girl, different eyes: First one from the Cynthia interview, second from the Mack interview. They went from round "oval" to "pointy".

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

#NoRestTillTheGardenerIsInterviewed


lets start a twitter trend friends!

This is indeed one of the most fascinating and compelling encounter stories I think I have ever seen. The sheer number of witnesses, and the fact that so many of them would have been almost entirely untainted by modern media, makes this even more remarkable.

I trust those teachers too. The way they personally describe the reactions of the kids, and the way they present their confusion and doubt too, it all just lends more weight to this story being the most important of its kind.

The only thing which concerns me is the attitude of the psychologist when talking to the child about her fears regarding the message she got about damage to the environment. That seemed quite "leading" to me. He pressed her on it, led her to say it was something she got from the experience, and backed up that belief.

I don't feel that he's an unbiased person in this, and I would not trust his opinions alone because of that. What I mean is, if he wrote a book about the experience, I wouldn't trust it, but if the teachers and students did, I would.

a reply to: Rocker2013

This is indeed one of the most fascinating and compelling encounter stories I think I have ever seen. The sheer number of witnesses, and the fact that so many of them would have been almost entirely untainted by modern media, makes this even more remarkable.

Well...@ around 5:30 this child says she knew about aliens from TV

Then you bring in UFO/Alien specialists to confirm that aliens indeed did land!

I think something definitely happened at this school, but it is absolutely infuriating the way the interviewers not only suggest things in their questions but have all these other people present for the interview. It's bound to influence the other children's recollections when they hear things being remembered by someone who had a different view of the event.

Not only that, but all the adults standing around. I know they are just curious but that puts a lot of subconscious pressure on a kid to say the right thing in front of all those authority figures.

The bad interviewing is probably was has really kept this from blowing up and becoming a bona fide legendary UFO/EBE event.

So frustratingly close to the truth of what happened!

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

lol, sure is amazing at what lengths people go through to deny things. A hippie van in the middle of Africa, with hippie included. It's almost as bad as the the Turkey UFO incident being a yacht window.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

lol, sure is amazing at what lengths people go through to deny things. A hippie van in the middle of Africa, with hippie included. It's almost as bad as the the Turkey UFO incident being a yacht window.

Yeah, I was just being silly

But that's what those pictures and descriptions look and sound like. I really have no idea what they saw but its clear that whatever it was changed after the ufologists came into the picture. After looking at this in some detail, I am left with the impression of something less alien. I am not opposed that there could have been something unusual but there really is not much to go on.

And much like the Turkey UFO, there doesn't seem to be anything flying

Could this have been something to do with the appropriation of white owned commercial farms by the Mugabe regime. Was this the beginning, like some sort of threat to the kids? Things certainly kicked off a little after this sighting, I bet most of those kids don't live in Ruwa these days.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Could this have been something to do with the appropriation of white owned commercial farms by the Mugabe regime. Was this the beginning, like some sort of threat to the kids? Things certainly kicked off a little after this sighting, I bet most of those kids don't live in Ruwa these days.

I'm not too familiar with the history of that area but I have heard some speculation around that. All I can get from the story is that there was someone with long hair dressed in black with big eyes or sunglasses staring at children. From that I would think that the adults would be more alarmed but it is interpreted by the child psychiatrist as benevolent space aliens trying to save the world? I really don't think that would fly in my part of the world. Just say'n.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Sure glad you were just being silly. With that said, I can now find the humor in a VW hippie van. Sarcasm/humor gets lost in translation online.

After looking at this in some detail, I am left with the impression of something less alien

That's what happens when you go back and forth on something. Varying perceptions. The mind fills in blanks where one is unable to, giving what appears to be much more detail than necessary allowing you to form your opinion. The only real detail to pay attention to is the overall story as a consensus among the children. The rest is just minor detail, descriptions, locations, numbers, etc. Whilst they shouldn't be discounted but only if you bear in mind they're kids. Hell, most adults can't agree on what they witness. There might have been a real robbery, but no one can get the shirt color right.

Look what this kid is drawing


The eyes are on top of the head like rabbit ears. Clearly, we know they aren't rabbit ears and eyes don't look like that. But intuitively, we know they must be eyes so we don't bog ourselves down on the detail.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
Call it kismet, but I am just glad a man like John Mack happened to be in Africa and in close of enough proximity to approach this phenomena in the most rigorous way.

Assuming he didn't poison the whole sighting by skewing things toward his expectations.

a reply to: FlySolo

The only real detail to pay attention to is the overall story as a consensus among the children

I don't disagree but my main objection to that is that we really don't get the consensus. I think its pretty obvious that we don't get to see the other drawings or hear all the children, just a select few. And it really does seem like those are selected by who had more "alien" to their story. Same would be true if say Phil Klass did the interviews. People would complain that he ignored the alien like descriptions.

The eyes are on top of the head like rabbit ears. Clearly, we know they aren't rabbit ears and eyes don't look like that.

but what about all the other drawings where the eyes didn't look like that? That was the same girl who said she thought it was the gardener...only to have Cynthia Hind laugh at her. So, I dont know if it means a whole lot.

@5:50 we hear her first interview with Cynthia. Again, based on her description here, I think the eyes mutated over the 2 months to when Mack did his interview...or maybe she's not such a good artist? I believe that drawing is from the Mack interview. Still the eyes are noteworthy I admit.