Good update on the 1994 Zimbabwe school aliens incident

originally posted by: Unity_99
This was one of the big moments in ufology, a message to earth, and the chosen vehicle were the children. That was a good update. Though it was very brief. Would like a more in depth update.[/quote

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It's very strange.

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Haha so PhoenixOD at age 9 in school you were fathoming up conspiracies, furthermore getting many of your friends to agree to be a part of a staged UFO experience? You were able to keep more than 3 friends still to co-ordinate such a thing in school? I suppose it wouldn't be impossible to convince your orchestra friends or something. Or perhaps told by your parents or teachers that you will be part of a staged/made up event and stick to that story for life? For what gain, what were you paid/offered? If this or the other mass-kid UFO sighting had happened in America you could almost believe the Govt. perhaps chose a small town at random and paid families and teachers handsomly for some kind of disinfo project, but alas they both happened far far away from that place, in relatively neutral other ones when it comes to the UFO phenomena. We've all read about the shady military UFO conspiracies of Zimbabwe, and Melbourne...!!!

It's pretty obvious that true UFO sightings that mess adults up could well have an even more profound effect on children, and should be taken seriously. Why shouldn't they talk about it glum and thoughtfully, they had the crap scared out of them at a young age, their entire life perspectives changed like that. If it's real then for kids it's almost like a mind-rape. It's already a mind-rape for adults! We shouldn't just brush aside when kids experience things like that, it's a bit like agreeing to kids smoking pot or some other perhaps worse activity best reserved for adults, but they are still exposed to it, and many just sit back and watch a CNN mocking UFO report with little concern for if their kid was to be confronted by an alien or craft. The later interviews in the video seem to show that they haven't flinched on their beliefs and encounters, which to me is a strong sign of truthfulness. Or they were paid millions, or had some brain chip implanted to make sure they stuck to their stories for life and didn't sell their "HAR HAR WE LIED" story to the press 25 years later...

Yes there are some inconsistencies, but again why shouldn't there be, these are inconsistencies in amongst accounts by young children and it's not like we all had the ability to detail for detail verbatim our experiences at that age. I'm pretty sure most kids tell adults a little extra or a little less about an event by nature. Granted you could ask for a little more to tie it altogether for a healthier picture, but as others have said, what detail there is, albeit a little different from child to child, is overall consistent, especially when you try and attach some kind of hoax explanation.

I think it's also important to point out how many people's UFO experiences seem to have a strange link to - I don't know what to call it - "good timing" perhaps? Think of all the witnesses who were on a busy road, turned onto a quiet street and had a UFO experience. Or the many who literally just randomly look in one particular direction as they undertake some task and instantly spot a UFO. Those that go out for a walk and then find themselves experiencing a UFO alone often under circumstances where others should have been able to see it too, etc. Not great examples, but as the poster above said, in truer experiences it would seem that "visitors" would probably have had every reason to choose that one exact moment when no adults were present, perhaps it was literally within a 30 second period, the only 30 second period that day, maybe that week month or year where the kids just "happened" to be unsupervised. We may not be able to place ourselves in the "perfect moment" but that's not to say bug eyed alien things can't!

Often it is the "little things" that help experiencers connect the dots. I'm not stating I'm right, just saying I think co-incidences like that play a bigger part in the reality of this phenomena than people give credit for.

TBH, if there isn't a gut reaction after learning more about the case, even just watching the video - it begs to ask what kind of person someone is, to outright dismiss innocent kids like that. You can scrutinize an individual case like this, but it's really only when you look at the similarities and differences between this case and many many others and try and link them together before the bigger picture becomes clearer, which then makes individual cases like this clearer still. My point being, IMO all you need is the 20% of this case that you think is true and compare that to the 20% of truth you've found in 20 other cases and then you've got a high percentage of informed ideas that perhaps point you in the direction of what's really going on and the remaining 80% of info becomes irrelevant*.

Not having a go, but I think you may be dismissing this case for the wrong reasons myself, for the main point that how on earth could this be a hoax. Kids involved in UFO experiences is along the smoking-gun lines for this phenomena, especially if it actually seems to # them up a bit in the process, because that's something that we wouldn't normally allow as humans with human nature. Stripping children of their innocence is generally bad, right? But is that not effectively what happened here, especially for that girl who recounted everything felt totally bleak (like the world would die) after her experience? That's not a positive, encouraging thing for a child to go through...

So forget whether it was actually aliens or whatnot, how the sweet hey-zeus could it be a hoax? If there is some big strange bond/pact between these (now adult) kids then fair enough to them, but I'm sure they had better things to do with their time. If they have been forced to do this (about the only other logical hoax explanation?) then someone should be held accountable for some kind of crime, if it could be proven to have had a real profound effect (which it seemed to have on some of them). The same person may be responsible for thousands and thousands of pounds worth of damage to farmers crops (and cattle)... So we either have a dark organization that messes around with kids and crops, and they need to be exposed, or we have (or had) aliens...

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Maybe it is a local mad professor in his flying machine, maybe it is secret military craft but the pilot dressed as a bug eyed alien to scare people for #s and giggles - either way, someone (or thing) is accountable for scaring the # out of a bunch of kids and that makes it "real" enough...!

So interesting video! And a great case. Hard to explain away, even as a mere internet observer. I may even chip into that documentary, I'd like to know more. Perhaps iron out some inconsistencies or blow my belief right out the water, I'm cool with either

* This entire paragraph I'm just noting my thoughts, I'm not sure how to clearly explain what I mean here, lol

I think children described here honestly what they saw and I believe that now we should believe that aliens do exist and they live in our universe but we still don't have sources to detect or communicate them. Of course they can communicate if they wish but I think they''ve lost all hope in humanity

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: taoistguy

There was also a case like this in Australia wasn't there?
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And Wales www.abovetopsecret.com...
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a reply to: PhoenixOD

I never liked this case, there were to many inconsistencies in the accounts given by the children. Some said there was one ship while others said 2. Some said 1 alien and others said 2. some said they didnt even see a space ship. The descriptions of the alien/s were quite different as well

They all talked about telepathic communication. If you got the power to ttelepathically tell your story you also have the power to take control over the ones you make contact with.

Therefore I think they've been able to block the ones out who were not welcome to see what others could see.
I've read a story about Alien visitors landing a ship in clear view but only that particular person who had permission to see the ship saw the ship.

As to this children some maybe got clearance to see more then others. As the children said there were more then one being. cooperatively and telepathically working together. Imagine the power of that.

We are so easy to hypnotise , I think we are peace of cake for them..

a reply to: taoistguy

IMO there's no reason to intervene and kick out a government to save the rest of the population. Humans naturally have daddy issues and think we'll be saved by something, whether it's a god or aliens. We as a whole have no one else to blame for the current state of mass ignorance and it is not any lifeform's job to save us from ourselves, it's ours. That's my biggest problem with religion because religious people give up their wills to save themselves or fight the good fight. My aunt left it in God's hands to save her once she had cancer, after bleeding from every possible hole and suffering she's now worm food. Not that western medicine would've been any help, but you get the point.

a reply to: 0bserver1
That is the great thing about aliens. Any inconsistencies can always be talked away by pointing out their superpowers!


Children are suggestible, and if the interviewer is not cautious about it, he'll end up with children retelling/remembering his suggestions. It is a serious issue in the legal system.

Can you exclude the possibility that the children have been manipulated to tell a story?

What is more probable; mind manipulating aliens coming for a visit, or children manipulated to tell what you want to hear?

Do you have any other evidence to support the alien visitation in this case?

What is more probable; mind manipulating aliens coming for a visit, or children manipulated to tell what you want to hear?......

....who then proceed to confirm what they saw now that they have become adults? I am not saying that what they saw that day was an alien being and spacecraft, but it is far too easy to simply dismiss this as manipulation of suggestible minds.

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: 0bserver1
That is the great thing about aliens. Any inconsistencies can always be talked away by pointing out their superpowers!


Children are suggestible, and if the interviewer is not cautious about it, he'll end up with children retelling/remembering his suggestions. It is a serious issue in the legal system.

Can you exclude the possibility that the children have been manipulated to tell a story?

What is more probable; mind manipulating aliens coming for a visit, or children manipulated to tell what you want to hear?

Do you have any other evidence to support the alien visitation in this case?

Can anyone exclude the possibility that everyone were in on it to make a buck?
Can you not actually use that argument every time you have not been there to actually witness it yourself?
No we can't, so it would only be fair to reverse the question.

Do you have any reference to similar cases where a high amount of children were manipulated into lying to MSM and professionals all the way up to their adulthood ? Does that make sense to you ?

This is a story about the one that happened in Australia

a reply to: taoistguy

It doesn't matter what kind of information is being given. Some people are conditioned to reject it immediately.

originally posted by: NiZZiM
Awesome video. I was always wondering if they did a follow up on the kids. I find it hard to believe that people can still think we are alone in the universe and haven't had an ET visit.

ETs - maybe. But there are various other possibilities.

It may be "simply" paranormal apparitions, comparable with what happened the day the sun danced in front of tens of thousands of people. If a force is capable of making tens of thousand of people believe the sun dances - a scientifically fairly impossible phenomenon - than it is certainly capable of making 60 school children see a "space ship" and its inhabitants.

One of the more compelling theories is that these beings are actually (representatives of) (current or former) earth natives - lifeforms that live (or lived) on the same planet as we do. If they are still here they may for example live in the oceans or underground. They might live as a collective - and so may appear to us as bees, trees, plants, flocks of birds, insects, bacteria whales, delphins, whatever. This would explain their concern about our actions - either they are endangered too if we keep doing what we do or they try to prevent us from making their mistakes. Some believe that it is Earth itself that may be a thinking entity and that tries to communicate with us.

Assuming we are dealing with physical Earth bound beings, such beings might have developed totally different capabilites and have very different sets of values. They hence might be far less violent / agressive that we are, may not be very technologically advanced (or not at all). If it are collectives (bees, insects, bacteria) they may be simply incapable of directly manipulating us. But may have superiour powers to influence our minds. They might somehow influence our minds, transfer their message (say: "stop what you do") and our minds convert this into a plausible (though weird) event. This explains why in olden days people saw dragons and angels where they now see monsters and aliens.

They might be the famous Vril - people similar to us, but living underground in huge caves with their own ecosystem. Such caves would present a habitat free of danger of impact by an asteroid etc. - maybe the reason they either survived such events or went underground in the first place. The Vril might visit us in person, might use drones or projections to do so (which would explain the bizarre capability their 'ships' have: a projection does not have inertia).

Other theories are that what we see are simply automatrons: systems that were built very, very long ago by an earlier civilisation that lived on this planet. These automatrons are advanced systems that project images directly into our brains or create hologram-like projections. These automatrons might be responsible for a number of 'ghost' sightings - some even think the Tunguska event could have been a extinction level event had it not been for the intervenience of ancient automatrons, that destroyed the meteroid / asteroid before it could reap more havoc.

So, apart from ET's - there are many more other possibilities.

Count me in as one more believer.
I don't ordinarily buy in to these stories but something about this seems irrefutable.
Children are terrible liars, a whole group of them - forget it!
They saw something possibly extraterrestrial but definitely foreign to most.
They all sensed evil from these beings.
Did our top leadership make a deal with these creatures?
Would explain the anti-human attitudes and actions of our government.

I think i've heard of this before. Some time ago, so it's nice to re-visit.

Watching the video posted was really quite interesting.

Here's the deal when it comes to them being children and it being a possible "prank"... there were a LOT of children who viewed this. Sure, their stories may change slightly - but that's a child perspective on a very unusual event. Also, with so many children seeing "this" - one would surely slip up and tell someone it wasn't real. You can't contain that many children without one of them telling the truth to their parents or teachers or even the interviewer.

I don't think these children, now adults, have the capacity to hold on to their stories for 20 years. And it seems as the time has gone by they've even started to understand more about what happened. They got the "feeling" has turned in to telepathic communication. This could of course be influenced now they are older and have read/watched things (because no doubt they have an interest in UFOs) But telepathic communication is possible based on them recalling a "feeling" they got from looking at the person/being.

I personally think this is an incredible case. One which holds a lot of value and weight. I can see a few children lying. But over 60(?) for over 20 years holding on to their stories? I don't think this was staged. They saw something.

This is awesome! S&F

a reply to: PhoenixOD

I am with you on this one Anyone who looks into this will stand with everything you have stated and should agree with the inconsistencies.



I had a very similar incident happen to me when i was roughly the same age as these children ,however this incident involved my self and about 5 other children at school .

Our School had a chain link fence on one side of it and a very scary looking house that occupied the other side of that fence .

On our recess we used to gather at the fence to see "the ghost " that lived in the house . Whelp one day my self and 5 other saw "the Ghost" . One kid freaked out and we all went along with it . everyone freaking out caught the attention of the yard duty she ended up questioning all of us about it and as i stood their she got to me and for some reason I confirmed that I had indeed saw "the ghost" but in my head I knew the truth ,the truth being that all we had saw was an old man walking around in his kitchen . But I was compelled to "follow the leader " confirm that what the kid before me had stated that we had indeed saw a ghost . Our story's all matched because we were all questioned together . I have no idea why went along with it I was a Kid with an Imagination .

I have to question the official narrative of this story, based on similar experiences and research on this incident I have to say I just don't buy it .

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PhoenixOD

I am with you on this one Anyone who looks into this will stand with everything you have stated and should agree with the inconsistencies.



I had a very similar incident happen to me when i was roughly the same age as these children ,however this incident involved my self and about 5 other children at school .

Our School had a chain link fence on one side of it and a very scary looking house that occupied the other side of that fence .

On our recess we used to gather at the fence to see "the ghost " that lived in the house . Whelp one day my self and 5 other saw "the Ghost" . One kid freaked out and we all went along with it . everyone freaking out caught the attention of the yard duty she ended up questioning all of us about it and as i stood their she got to me and for some reason I confirmed that I had indeed saw "the ghost" but in my head I knew the truth ,the truth being that all we had saw was an old man walking around in his kitchen . But I was compelled to "follow the leader " confirm that what the kid before me had stated that we had indeed saw a ghost . Our story's all matched because we were all questioned together . I have no idea why went along with it I was a Kid with an Imagination .

I have to question the official narrative of this story, based on similar experiences and research on this incident I have to say I just don't buy it .

The difference being they are still sticking to their stories 20+ years later...

a reply to: MrConspiracy

The difference being they are still sticking to their stories 20+ years later...

That is true. They also had the blessing of a Harvard Psychiatrist known for his views on aliens. There certainly is a lot of dynamics involved here. I don't think that it was a case of children lying. I think we can rule that out.

With the pictures, I would expect there to be quite a few more and from what I can gather, the only source for the pictures is the screen shots from the videos and those are the ones that Mary Hind holds up to the camera that she picks from a pile and we don't get to see the rest.

a reply to: MrConspiracy

Everyone keeps pointing out that they're still sticking to the story. I agree that it is a very interesting case and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it is or isn't true. However, haven't you guys ever heard of people telling a lie or even an innocent story so many times that they actually convince themselves it was true or really happened? A great example is the ghost story by Kapusta a couple posts up. Sure he knew it wasn't true but still went along with it. Now, what if a bunch of people continued to ask him about it over the years? It's entirely possible that he could stick to the story for so long that he forgets the truth of what really happened, especially considering he was so young and impressionable at the time.

Once again, not trying to say it's a hoax or untrue. I'm just pointing out that this is something that does happen. Our memories are not infallible, and I routinely see people around here state a child's testimony as fact because "there's just no way he could have made up a story like that, so much detail!". Just because they're sticking to the story now doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I also agree with some of the other posters that it's very odd there were no adults around to supervise all these children, and ultimately witness the incident themselves. I'd feel much better about it if that were the case.

originally posted by: Collekt
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Everyone keeps pointing out that they're still sticking to the story. I agree that it is a very interesting case and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it is or isn't true. However, haven't you guys ever heard of people telling a lie or even an innocent story so many times that they actually convince themselves it was true or really happened? A great example is the ghost story by Kapusta a couple posts up. Sure he knew it wasn't true but still went along with it. Now, what if a bunch of people continued to ask him about it over the years? It's entirely possible that he could stick to the story for so long that he forgets the truth of what really happened, especially considering he was so young and impressionable at the time.

Once again, not trying to say it's a hoax or untrue. I'm just pointing out that this is something that does happen. Our memories are not infallible, and I routinely see people around here state a child's testimony as fact because "there's just no way he could have made up a story like that, so much detail!". Just because they're sticking to the story now doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I also agree with some of the other posters that it's very odd there were no adults around to supervise all these children, and ultimately witness the incident themselves. I'd feel much better about it if that were the case.

I agree with what you are saying, but I don't consider these scenarios to be the same.

You have 62 children, providing details on not only objective things but also feelings involved.
They were scared, felt the being was interested in them, telepathic images or sentences being transfered.
I believe people can imagine seeing a ghost and firing each other up, but not something at this magnitude.

I would love to see an example of something similar like that being some kind of hoax.