Is "God" the Real Deceiver?

The basis of all ignorance and destructive thought process is the fact that mankind assumes he was created by something greater than himself without ever knowing what "great" means or what "great" actually is.

The God worshiped by man is a fairy tale created to scare children away from misbehaving so the parents can do adult things out of sight of the children.

Religion is a babysitter for the government, a babysitter for people's minds.

The world is based on selfishness greed, fear , lies, ignorance and denial


Like a neighborhood association, but an ignorance and denial of reality and truth association....

Anyway...

Here's a Youtube video claiming to show hidden images of God in the Moon above us all.
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If "God" exists he is the biggest real deceiver.

Either he inspired religion and abandoned them while they misrepresented him or he neglected to inspire religion and allowed all these lies to be told about him.

If people want to demonstrate their honesty they start by communicating in an honest manner and continue by maintaining trust, slowly earning trust.

God hasn't done this.

Either he arranged for others to inspire religions that indoctrinate or he probably doesn't exist at all. If he inspired them he is a cult leader not a benevolent "God."

Either he doesn't exist or he's a cult leader.

Spot-on. The New Testament is basically a totalitarian wet-dream that was "intelligently designed" to make the common people feel small in the presence of authority figures. What comes to mind when you try to visualize "Hell"? You're meditating on the most traumatic experiences of your life and multiplying them by infinity. Is this not what happens on a sub-conscious level every time you listen to a sermon? How is that natural?

"God" is symbolic of a kind of world order. Every fascist political leader that has ever existed [and will ever exist] has shared at least a few things in common:

- They seek to control resources so that the people are dependent on the system they govern. ("...and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.")

- They don't want you to realize just how screwed you're getting. ("but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat")

- They want you to stop begging for more wealth. Only they have the right to "sin". ("Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.")

- They would rather you just shut up and get back to work. ("Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.")

- No, seriously. Don't even think about revolting. ("But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.")

- Just to make things clear... ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.")

- Alright, then. ("Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.")

originally posted by: ForceMaster
You may even ask yourself if my conclusion is correct... the devil's greatest achievement was not in convincing man that he does not exist, but that he is GOD!

Similar to a basic tenhet of Manichaeism (en.wikipedia.org...).

Hegemonius reports that Mani said, "It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them."

And of course, once the Christians were in charge in Rome, the order went out and the Manichaeists were slaughtered.

a reply to: TzarChasm

The god of your fables is either a complete moron or a psychopath.

Or it was a incredible plan to make a recreation .As a person may have a fondness or friendship with another human being they share a level of love .If that other person happens to put their life on the line to save the other person from certain death there should arise a greater bond . The Bible gives hints that there was a rebellion in the spiritual realm and those beings were going to be cast out and so God seems to have created man to both replace those heavenly beings and create a more loyal creature based on His redemption of them . Even a young child could imagine their parent a psychopath because of the lack of understanding of discipline .

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Which was what exactly?

Redemption . There seems to be no redemption for the heavenly beings but is for man .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I don't understand how you can mistake that level of incompetence and egotism for anything resembling redemption. Its abundantly clear that he was only thinking of himself and even then he couldn't get anything right on the first try. The bible proves it.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Redemption . There seems to be no redemption for the heavenly beings but is for man

Spin any way you like, an omniscient god cant create perfection with redemption in mind.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Good point but if one was to imagine that He turned the ownership over to one of His created beings and put them in charge then it could have been possible for them to loose it .Knowing that that would happen He would need a plan to get it back . In fact He says that He did come to seek and save that which He didn't loose . Adam lost it and He redeemed it . It's all about redemption .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Good point but if one was to imagine that He turned the ownership over to one of His created beings and put them in charge then it could have been possible for them to loose it .Knowing that that would happen He would need a plan to get it back . In fact He says that He did come to seek and save that which He didn't loose . Adam lost it and He redeemed it . It's all about redemption .

You keep dismissing the fact that clearly he didn't properly apply his gifts. It all comes back to that. His lackadaisical approach to his "job" is made all the more frustrating because supposedly he is literally the most powerful being ever, but he wont even put a would-be rapist to sleep to save a child from that horrible injustice. 9/11, pearl harbor, the holocaust, two atom bombs, the crusades, any number of tragedies and atrocities could have been avoided as easily as just saying it. He's omniscient but doesn't care about anything he foresees unless it threatens him personally. He is omnipotent but he is lazy unless it threatens him personally. And if its anyone else's ass in the fire...well, the Nazis proved that point. God is not compassionate, considerate, or constructive unless its to further himself. The rest of us sink or swim in spite of his dawdling. There is no redemption except for his grandiose perception of himself as reflected through people like you. And frankly he doesn't deserve your adoration or respect. But that's all just my opinion.

a reply to: TzarChasm

If He only intervened in mans evil choices we could not show free will .The mere fact that evil and goodness exist is because we humans have the ability to make those choices .This is no longer Paradise even though that though is one we have and should try to aspire to .Trying to make things better while others couldn't give a hoot and being greedy at the cost of others . We impose temporal judgement on those that would violate that code or we seem to know that we should .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: TzarChasm

If He only intervened in mans evil choices we could not show free will .The mere fact that evil and goodness exist is because we humans have the ability to make those choices .This is no longer Paradise even though that though is one we have and should try to aspire to .Trying to make things better while others couldn't give a hoot and being greedy at the cost of others . We impose temporal judgement on those that would violate that code or we seem to know that we should .

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

if we are to be responsible in his stead, then let us not waste time in mistaking his absence for diligence or his silence for wisdom. lets recognize these qualities for what they are instead of redefining them via theology, and accept that something doesnt add up here. if obama catches flack for his management skill, then god should most certainly be held accountable for his failings. and barring that, then at least be revealed as psychopath and black listed for the rest of his fictional existence.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I see "God" with the big G as the Creative Force that is the very essence of all things, both Creator and Nurturer. Anything that hinders the growth of life and creates conflict and division in it's place is going against the laws of Creation. Science teaches that entropy is a natural occurrence, even a law to some. This never made sense to me because if that being the case, Creation itself would never have been able to form any simple system let alone complex life.

a reply to: powertec120

When I read your post, it validated something for me... the human spirit knows when something goes against Creation and It's Will. It's that spark in you telling you that what you are being told is not the Truth as it is your Divine Right as a child of Creation to not only know the Divine Truth, but to THRIVE in it! There are conflicts, but man against man was not meant to be. It was created by a monster egomaniac as a way to literally punish mankind for not dying when he got sick of them.

Thank you

a reply to: Sublimecraft

There is one thing in common that goes beyond coincidence in all religious text, whether from India or the ancient America's, Japan or Egypt. They all say that the stories and the information contained were originally given to them by the visitors, "Sky People", gods, the Watchers, or whomever. No matter how many "versions" of a text there is, it came from a line leading back to the original, and the originals all say the same, that they were told by a being either known to them or unknown, from the stars, what to write. We can see how much of an impact those writings have been, both beautiful, such as Taoism, or violent and hate inducing. One frees you, the other imprisons you.

Thank you for reading and posting

a reply to: TzarChasm

Thank you for the explanation. The first thing people do is blame themselves. If you or myself created something, based on your response to "the2ofusr1", and it became filled with chaos and death, hatred and despair, would it not be required of us as the creators of these beings to stop it and show them how to live in harmony with all life? Would we not want them to know all the great mysteries of the Universe, and see all of the wonders that exist out there? Absolutely. But this "god" gives orders to slaughter children, and even his own son for that matter, for his own twisted ego. Even communion is a blood ritual. The drinking of blood AND the eating of flesh as well now that I think about it.

The tree is known by it's fruit. His fruit is war, despair, chaos, suffering and pain. And in his methods of seeding his agenda, he convinced humanity that by their very birth, they have sinned in his eyes.

a reply to: ForceMaster

originally posted by: ForceMaster
Thank you for the explanation. The first thing people do is blame themselves.

If you bought a house for someone and they let it get messy and even made holes in the walls, is it your fault? No. It's their house, if they don't keep it clean, then it's their responsibility.

originally posted by: ForceMaster
would it not be required of us as the creators of these beings to stop it and show them how to live in harmony with all life?

There have been many teachers from many religions from ancient times to the present day saying that God/Creator/whatever word you want to use, wants us to live in peace. There are negative scriptures from these religions, too, but people are wise enough to know that if they choose violence and wars then they are choosing to give up Peace. People understand the consequences of their actions whether they try to hide behind a religious or political writing of extreme ideas or not.

originally posted by: ForceMaster
But this "god" gives orders to slaughter children, and even his own son for that matter, for his own twisted ego.

It's strange that in the Gospels, the devil possessed Judas to get Jesus killed (Luke 22:3), and Jesus told those who wanted to kill him that they wanted to kill him because they are the children of the devil, who is a murderer and liar, and they happily do his will (John 8:44).

And if yahweh is demanding death to please him, and Jesus said the will of the devil is murder, and those who wanted to kill him followed his will, then yahweh is the devil according to Jesus's own words and Jesus is against him. It's no wonder that there are judgmental "Christians", who do not practice forgiveness, loving others, and are trying to make Christ look bad.

originally posted by: ForceMaster
Even communion is a blood ritual. The drinking of blood AND the eating of flesh as well now that I think about it.

A ritual taken from Mithraism and adopted into Christianity.

originally posted by: ForceMaster
The tree is known by it's fruit. His fruit is war, despair, chaos, suffering and pain. And in his methods of seeding his agenda, he convinced humanity that by their very birth, they have sinned in his eyes.

Absolutely. And if there are Christians who act the same, then it's easy to know who they're following, yahweh/jehovah/the one who's will is deception and murder who Christ called "the devil".

It's easy for a "satanist" to be deceived because yahweh and Jesus are mixed together by "Christians". Satan means adversary in Hebrew. By being a "satanist", which "satan" are they following? Yahweh's "satan" (who is actually Christ) who went against his teachings promoting violence and war and ended up being killed by his followers? Or Christ's "satan", who is actually yahweh who demanded his death as Jesus continued healing on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10), teaching people that "Ye are Gods" (John 10:34), and telling people to forgive and walk away from violence instead of following yahweh's will to murder.

I don't think many people read my other post because it was very long. I tried my best to make this reply short.

Imagine how complex it would be to play a 6,000,000,000 piece chess game,take it up a notch by making it an intergalactic universal chess game. Then throw in who knows how many more boards each with a different number of pieces. All while playing against yourself in EVERY game with rules that we could never understand in this dimension.

Who wins?

a reply to: arpgme

You should probably read this:
www.gotquestions.org...