Is "God" the Real Deceiver?

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Yeah something pretty much like that I'm sure with some details that our minds are incapable of even fathoming and we can think of some pretty crazy ish.

How pissed would you be if you got a very literal genie (djinn) lol...just saw the commercial.a reply to: vethumanbeing

The details..(left behind) in a procedural manual in a civilization[s] that genie caused or destroyed by natural causes (is it all out of your/our/my control) for a reason? What is the game play; WHY? I am missing the instructions [and PAYMENT] to experience the experiment; LAB RAT number 3; or progenitors of this environment manipulating those being observed, and by Whom exactly; Who set this up CONFESS as to why we exist [purpose/pleasure] for pure entertainment ONLY? God wants to define itself, and takes great joy in watching human suffering, OR it is just a great source of amusement (human trying to seek enlightenment) or God is playing with itself and its creations (it has all of eternity to do so).

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: ForceMaster

NIce and catchy. S&F.

Then you find that the "Garden of Eden" was a place intended to keep mankind in a beautiful cage and that the "Evil One" who "tricked" Adam and Eve, was in fact their biological father setting them free from his insane brother who wanted man either ignorant and controlled or dead!

I enjoyed this part, gave me a neat filler for the missing link in my "story of spirits".
Gives "deny ignorance" a whole new dimension, "say no to the devil!"

I think your avatar and mine need to meet and have a drink at the "Do Not Take Me Too Seriously underground Bar "; where the 'Weed' and 'Deeper Weeds' streets intersect.

A lot of assumptions in this thread and bible bashing of things you don't and can't possibly understand until you read the bible with the minds eye. I'm just going to pick one that seems to be a favorite amongst you people and that's the flood. A flood recorded by much of earlier civilization and the reason this flood happened is because humans way more advanced than us decided they were more than their creator so their LORD wiped them out. They were performing sex magic and consider themselves god these werent normal humans but very advanced spiritual beings who got too Much pride. Not god aka hashem how can the all do anything when it is ALL? The LORDS and messengers in the bible are not all god there are angels and messengers who had egos just like humans and were jealous of our potential. So don't assume every action attributed to hashem aka the ALL is actually from hashem there was many LORDS during those times.

originally posted by: christophoros
A lot of assumptions in this thread and bible bashing of things you don't and can't possibly understand until you read the bible with the minds eye. I'm just going to pick one that seems to be a favorite amongst you people and that's the flood. A flood recorded by much of earlier civilization and the reason this flood happened is because humans way more advanced than us decided they were more than their creator so their LORD wiped them out. They were performing sex magic and consider themselves god these werent normal humans but very advanced spiritual beings who got too Much pride. Not god aka hashem how can the all do anything when it is ALL? The LORDS and messengers in the bible are not all god there are angels and messengers who had egos just like humans and were jealous of our potential. So don't assume every action attributed to hashem aka the ALL is actually from hashem there was many LORDS during those times.

God is aka hashem; but I am not to assume every sexual magic action should be attributed aka the ALL as these gods were not NORMAL and as there are many LORDS during this time were advanced yet had too much egotistical pride. Do I have this right? (explains everything).

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I simply find it interesting that there are others who feel the same as I do, as well as those who have made claims supporting what I have felt in my heart without knowing of each others existence or beliefs ahead of time.

You and the OP are, by far, not the only ones who see things this way Princess.

For the sake of the conversation, I'm going to assume that you have always been a free thinker. Coming by this theory and accepting it as fact is not a hard pill to swallow.You have nothing to lose by embracing this. But put yourself in the shoes of someone who was raised religious because the previous generations of their family were religious. Now assume that this person has always questioned their faith as well, there are a lot of Christians who do this, and later in their life has come to the same conclusion we have. How exactly are they going to deal with this when everything and everyone they have ever known has been tied to religion and the way it has been presented? How exactly does a person in the latter years of their life turn away from the only way of thinking, and living because of that thought process, that they and their previous generations have known?

The only way I could see them dealing with this constructively is by having a more open mind about life and what happens when it's over, and to tell the coming generations of their family that to be a good Christian, Catholic or whatever, means to question their faith. Keep towing that Christian line, but do it with wisdom and patience. What good would it do a 50 or 60 year old to turn away from the only people and way of life he or she has ever known? What kind of message would that send to the people who need to learn that everything they have been taught from the bible is backwards? That if they start believing the opposite of what they were taught, then they will be ridiculed and ostracized by the very people they have loved their entire lives? That's not a very good incentive to change.

It would be better for everyone involved if the person who had this "relevation" were to simply lead others down the road he or she took that led them to this realization, and hope for the best. Hopefully, other people will see this in their teens, 20's or 30's before it's too late to turn away from that way of thinking. Before too much time, love, emotion and bonding have been invested and made. Before it's too late.

Slow and steady, generation after generation until the old belief system is dead, is the only way to win this race.

Honestly I don't have an answer to any of that. I have always been more of a soldier than a politician so my first response wouldn't be well received in all honesty. If it were simply a matter of results with no regard to human rights (oh the irony) I could tap into my lizard brain and suggest some creative conversion tactics that have been used throughout history by the two worst religions known to man.

Now of course I know that answer is not a reasonable solution so understand I say that in jest, frustration and no clue on how to enlighten the majority. I also come from a demographic that is hated and demonized by many within those communities so I can be callous and condescending towards the deeply religious I admit. It's hard not to when faced with the hatred,ridicule and bigotry that comes out of those camps.

I'll give you an Idea where we could start, the ME could use a new mega parking lot if you catch my drift. I'm sorry but that region of the world is a WORLD problem and hazardous to everyone. I look at it like this America for example has been a country for less than 300 years and a super power since the modern age. That other region of the world is supposedly the cradle of civilization meaning they have had thousands of years to try to get it right yet have failed.

So over thousands of years these people have failed to establish a government that is able to both provide for and protect it's own people. That's not the rest of the worlds fault but certainly is OUR problem. That particular area and it's beliefs are nothing more than a terrorist factory and it NEEDS to stop for the peace and security of the world. I'm also open to the idea of throwing Israel to the dogs so to speak and see if that would back them off and if not then onto plan B. I have no discontent with Israel and/or its people either but I do think it's past time they stand on their own two feet and reap what they so.

reply to: DeepImpactX

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Yes these lords were jealous of the potential of the human race this is the reason why the tower of Babel fell god rarely interferes with man the most is send messengers. There was many lords in those times fallen angels if you will who were here as care takers of the human race they are actually still here. There are hierarchies as well.

originally posted by: christophoros
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Yes these lords were jealous of the potential of the human race this is the reason why the tower of Babel fell god rarely interferes with man the most is send messengers. There was many lords in those times fallen angels if you will who were here as care takers of the human race they are actually still here. There are hierarchies as well.

Our governmental systems mirror what exists in the higher dimensions (we are it in the physical realm is all). You would think they whould know better but they don't; same jealousies same power plays, it seems never ending. Physical linear time vs that which we are not aware of is circular. Tiresome soul reincarnation, repeating past patterns of the collapses/civilization destruction. At some point this will have to stop because a zenith will occur; objectively this world stalls in its ability to continue to be PRODUCTIVE. There is no reason to continue once reached. It will reboot and start all over (if we are lucky). In the past was easy (destroy the Romans, Mayans etc.) not now as civilization has progressed to point of *in the eyes of its creator* no return. The human has degraded its own moral values. Does God respond in the same fashion or put itself to a higher standard? It has to my mind left us as latch key creations to tell IT WHAT TO DO (not right).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

They along with us will all be judged in the end the cycles just keep spinning enlightenment/utopia only comes once in a blue moon think Zeppi Teppi the Egyptians went through which was 1000 yrs of peace even Rome went through the pax Romana but peace never lasts the cycles must continue for our personal growth. Enki said it best "mortals and immortals no one escapes the judgement of the ALL in the end" these beings adhere to the same laws we do and suffer the same consequences.

originally posted by: christophoros
a reply to: vethumanbeing

They along with us will all be judged in the end the cycles just keep spinning enlightenment/utopia only comes once in a blue moon think Zeppi Teppi the Egyptians went through which was 1000 yrs of peace even Rome went through the pax Romana but peace never lasts the cycles must continue for our personal growth. Enki said it best "mortals and immortals no one escapes the judgement of the ALL in the end" these beings adhere to the same laws we do and suffer the same consequences.

Enlil, Enki and father Anu are my keystones as to understanding the birth of civilizations. Utopia was the 'garden' (not that I believe this; as seemed to be/ was a metaphorical description of what could happen in the best of scenarios for the human). I would imagine the ancient Maya experienced a few 100 years of a thriving civilization (Egyptians as well). Those under Roman rule NEVER. A 700 year debacle. One has to face ones failures and accomplishments in the afterlife; as Witness to ones own soul growth and explain why you failed your initial contract (you claimed you were to accomplish this or that during incarnation and either did so or failed). No back peddling even though you were not supposed to remember this once a human. YOU SAID (as we all do) I WILL REMEMBER THIS and do what is stipulated in the contract for incarnation. Very few remember this; it is the most important part of the self enlightenment process. Remember while alive.

Alex Jones is the false prophet, I'm a fallen angel

Someone make a thread on Alex Jones being the false prophet I can't make threads.

originally posted by: ForceMaster
How would you feel if you were taught that things are a certain way, and that there are certain truths incorruptible, such as "God" created everything, he is male, and is very possessive. only later, you find that the stories you were told were stolen history, re-written and plagiarized into a system of control and domination, turning wise beings into "demons" while demanding blood rituals such as communion, while causing all major slaughters and wars in history as it divided itself into other systems of control in order to pit them against each other?

Then you find that the "Garden of Eden" was a place intended to keep mankind in a beautiful cage and that the "Evil One" who "tricked" Adam and Eve, was in fact their biological father setting them free from his insane brother who wanted man either ignorant and controlled or dead! Then you ask yourself why it is our instinct is to sacrifice ourselves for our children, literally if needed, but "God's" instinct is to sacrifice his children for himself?

Then you discover that the New Testament Jesus was created from “Mithras” as was the resurrection story and that the words of Jesus came from the far east systems of Buddhism and Taoism, in some instances word for word, even using the same parables to teach people! And why does a god who has no favorites say outright that the Jews are his "chosen people" and Israel is his holy city?

How would you feel if you found out that it was Satan who stopped “God” from killing off man in the flood and every other plague the “loving father” unleashed on humanity without mercy and it could be proven? Then you discover that Satan was and is not “fallen” at all, but refused to allow an alien council to decide mankind’s fate and rebelled against the council as did others, and decided to fight for man. Then you realize that this is the “Rebellion in Heaven” spoken about in the Bible!

What I would like you to ask yourself if you would want to know the truth as it really is, not corrupted. Would you want to know your true origins and potential as a spiritual being created by the very consciousness of Creation itself, while being biologically created by a being from another planet who not only fell in love with what he created, but saved them from his brothers attempts to kill his creation because the unintended consequence of creating man was that Creation instilled them with spirit, which is a literal part of the consciousness and life-force of Creation itself.

You may even ask yourself if my conclusion is correct... the devil's greatest achievement was not in convincing man that he does not exist, but that he is GOD!

Yep absolutely, God is a Concept. And reality is an Illusion. I was an Xian from age 22 to 26 when i woke up. I asked questions that pissed off people in power and then found it was all #e and a repeat of history. Different names, different time. Nothing here is real.

a reply to: lostbook
Guess what one of the names or titles of Satan is? The Bringer of Light.

originally posted by: 5leepingWarrior
a reply to: lostbook
Guess what one of the names or titles of Satan is? The Bringer of Light.

This has always been the Gigantic conundrum; "the Enlightener" brings KNOWLEDGE to the human; self awareness: you are NOW a being of self awareness (meaning you are a conscious being). What is wrong with this idea form? Why would God not rejoice in this revelation, (because I am certain God is Autistic) and has no idea what to do with this information other than to leave it with others living upon this earth to be its legacy (remembering library/we know who we are).

a reply to: ForceMaster

I like the fact that God spelled backwards spells Dog and most Dogs are loving, curious, playful, concerned when ya feel bad or hurting emotionally or physically. I'm in agreement with the OP. I have moved past judging them based on their Avatar or even if they were having a bad day and not fun to be around....been there. Good post ForceMaster

Then you have this that drives the true message of this creative loving intelligence. LMAO at the instinct argument to dismiss it all.

a reply to: DeepImpactX

My parents are not very exclusively Christian, but they did make the decision to raise my brother, sister and I in a Christian community... which worked out for at least one of us (my sister). But either way, being brought up with Sunday school, Christian prayer and the social politics of it all does permeate ones existence. Even decades later, a lot of the programming is still there. Christian prayer, for example, could actually warrant study by mental health experts and psychiatrists, since I believe it can actually exasperate obsessive compulsive tendencies by instilling in the mind the notion that you have to mentally pray every night or bad things will happen etc. It actually wires the neural pathways to loop and worry, essentially. A lot of the young males I know who grew up Christian are largely "mentally ill" and repressed.

Which reminds me of a more trivial aspect of being raised Christian, is that there is actually no enlightened state of consciousness or experiential modality to it at all. It is actually quite watered down and somewhat petty in that sense. There is certainly a lot of social gossip at church, and an air of naive and fake and "proper" - at least how I remember it and look back. The youth group leader actually got many of the teens to burn their rock n roll records in the 1990s, which to me is straight up occult. Then later on in life, the youth group's own son is totally into playing rock n roll music and the guy has changed some of his point of view, but not after teaching an entire generation at that particular church that masturbating was a sin etc and so on. So it also diminishes the full quality of a human life and fosters mental problems.

When I was in my 20s I started to discover alternative approaches, largely considered "New Age", like Carl Jung's interpretations and Joseph Campbell's. I had a very spiritual and uplifting sense of wonder when I discovered these new metaphorical takes on different religious stories and wanted to share it with friends and family. But it upset and offended both sides, be it Christian family on the one hand or nihilistic, atheist friends on the other! If I had known about "left hand path" systems more back then, it probably would have helped, because people in that situation are usually left to make their own path and figure things out. Thankfully there was always the internet, which can be both good and bad for that type of thing. It is important not to get one's spiritual path of research too mixed up with New Age bull# and conspiracy theory, because that will also diminish the full potential of liberated consciousness and human experience etc.

a reply to: corsair00

There are no nuances in the typical faith communities, but conformity and brainwashing and indoctrination, be them Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist for that matter. Faith communities are like Babylonian brickwork, like some tower of souls that seeks to-, but never quite reaches the sky. The community sucks people in by the plenty and squeeze them into a mould onto a conveyer belt rolling them all into the bottomless mouth of salvation, complete with standards for family structure and archaic education and moral shavings, then they leave the moulds out in the sun, turning them about every now an then to dry and utterly uniform and conform them until they dry up and are littered into the soil around these belief systems' lofty towers, like bricks tossed away by the kings who grew tired of building and and shifted focus towards language and feudal structures instead, it's an old story. If the text is written in stone you can't edit the text much, so they started editing the lexicon instead. These communities still remain though, they seem to have survived for a very long time.

That said. There is good in religion and sides to life and truths that only religion can express fully. We can't just toss it away when the big clock turns. It's not uncommon to hear— and by atheists and believers alike— brilliant scientists explain experiences of what a religious person might call enlightenment, or at least religious experiences. These highly aware and intelligent people sometimes even explain this state of awareness or knowing as a «religious experience». We come in to this world with a blast of light in a few stages, and we go out of this life with much the same mental firework. Some people can access this heightened timeless state of awareness at will as a side effect of simply being clever. Science is a better platform, but do not neglect the belief systems that inspired people like Thoth, Euclid, Pythagoras, Plato and the Mosey Jebus and his monks too for that matter. We cannot have science without wings wide enough to cover religion and spirituality. What must come to an end is the urge and desire to force people into living in the stone-age and enforce laws that makes an eye for an eye seem like a blessing of righteousness.