U.S. Special Operations forces kill ISIS commander Abu Sayyaf in Syria raid

a reply to: tothetenthpower

These people are just cogs in an ideological wheel. Until you solve that issue, there's always somebody, more crazy than the last person, to take up the mantle of crazy.

Yes that sounds good and all, but the devil is in the details... as they say. It's very easy to say something everyone agrees on and people will nod in the affirmative and make "uh humm" noises. The issue is that these problems seemed to be quite complicated, what with religion, egos, lust, power, and freedom of action certain groups have to inflict harm and suffering on others. Sometimes the best thing to do is kill the bastards. Imagine what suffering could have been avoided had someone simply put a bullet in Hitlers head in 37. These guys want to create an Islamic Caliphate. I don't think they are open to discussions on the subject.


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originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: crazyewok
Dammit SAS and SBS needs to step up there game!

. No idea why the US decided to announce this specific operation though.

With news that ISIS was overrunning Ramadi - Obama needed something to deflect the negative backlash
from this

Was good news though........

originally posted by: crazyewok
Dammit SAS and SBS needs to step up there game!

Well nice to see US armed forces being used for something positive

The objective was to capture him, so killing him whilst being great news, wasn't what was supposed to happen.

I'm not taking anything away from the guys involved here, but would have the SAS captured him?

Chalk one up for Delta Team!

I've always been curious how they determine whether Delta or DEVGRU is more apt at a specific mission (this vs bin Laden), but it's always good when our boys get back safely and can deal out a can of whoop-ass too.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I think it would have been considered a capture or kill mission, but a big firefight ensued which led to at least 18 EKIA. It didn't look like he was going down without a fight.

It's hard to get someone to surrender when they're too busy shooting at you.

How sad, another case of "friendly fire".

originally posted by: ArnoldNonymous
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I think it would have been considered a capture or kill mission, but a big firefight ensued which led to at least 18 EKIA. It didn't look like he was going down without a fight.

It's hard to get someone to surrender when they're too busy shooting at you.

So they were compromised and the element of surprise was ruined?

As I said I am not taking anything away from them, they killed all the baddies without any loss themselves, which is always a good thing.

originally posted by: daaskapital

Allied special forces from Canada/UK/Australia/USA have likely had many successful operations. We just don't hear about them because of their clandestine nature. No idea why the US decided to announce this specific operation though.

it's inside Syria..

Apparently, U.S. forces also rescued the leader's pet slave girl...and are hoping to reunite her with her family.

BEIRUT (AP) -- U.S. commandos mounted a rare raid into eastern Syria overnight, killing a senior Islamic State leader in a firefight, capturing his wife and rescuing a Yazidi woman held as a slave, the Pentagon said Saturday.

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a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Not necessarily. To really have the element of surprise they would have to fly a helo out and land miles away so they enemy couldn't hear it. Then they'd have to foot it the rest of the way there.

Assuming they landed on the X (fast rope directly on target) or landed on the Y (fast roped or land just outside of RPG range) the enemy would have minutes to prepare for an assault.

But i agree with you, whether they completed their main objective or not, it was a great op. Especially being involved in a heavy firefight and killing so many enemy combatants without any friendly casualty.

originally posted by: caladonea
a reply to: ChefSlug

I just got up a few moments ago and turned on CNN and then (of course) logged on to ATS...and heard and read this news. What I am thinking is...I wonder where and when they will retaliate here in the United States; needless to say...it is not a comforting thought.

That's an excellent insight, in fact, considering what we know about US & Saudi covert support for ISIS, it makes me wonder if the US isn't sending a message to ISIS, i.e., "start launching attacks in the US, or else!"

originally posted by: caladonea
a reply to: ChefSlug

I just got up a few moments ago and turned on CNN and then (of course) logged on to ATS...and heard and read this news. What I am thinking is...I wonder where and when they will retaliate here in the United States; needless to say...it is not a comforting thought.

Actually this attack brings me great comfort. It proves to me what a bunch of yahoos Isis are. The brave and fearless warriors of Isis attacked soft targets in Western countries. We went into their territory into one of their main headquarters kicked ass and took names.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Dammit SAS and SBS needs to step up there game!

Well nice to see US armed forces being used for something positive

I'm positive the SAS,SBS , BFST along with US special forces conduct these raids quite often. We only hear about the big ones.

a reply to: ArnoldNonymous

It all depends on who's in charge at the time. I don't remember all the details but in one of the recent books on the GWOT I've read broke it Down pretty good. When a navy general is in charge, sometimes it might appear that devgru is kept busier. When an army general was in charge, some might say the army got some good missions. I'm not sure if a marine general has ever been at the helm or not but when he was, I'd bet Marsoc was nice and busy.

This book also mentioned times when it was divied up fairly or even when a navy general favored delta and vice versa. It's really all about who's in charge and how they feel. Some guys let their team spirit run their decisions other guys play it like they see it and if one team is more fit then another they use the more fit team until the other can step up their game.

*end reply*

I too am wondering why this is being brought public? Maybe since he wasn't able to be captured they are "striking the bell" and gonna see what noise it makes. By going public with this it's going to juice up the chatter and maybe skme usable Intel could be salvaged.

Or mAybe the mission went exactly as planned and they want it to appear otherwise?

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: crazyewok
Dammit SAS and SBS needs to step up there game!

Well nice to see US armed forces being used for something positive

I'm positive the SAS,SBS , BFST along with US special forces conduct these raids quite often. We only hear about the big ones.

I hear they are in Jordon and Iraq "training".

I think we both know what that means

a reply to: crazyewok

Aren't the French still conducting operations in Mali?

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: crazyewok

Aren't the French still conducting operations in Mali?

Im not sure. Last I heard they had pretty much cleared the insurgents out and had them on the run.

I know they are in the congo at the moment.

The french tend to keep themselves low profile when they can. Jokes aside these day they are pretty deadly with training on par with us and pretty good equipment. I would not want to mess with them.

a reply to: Variable

Imagine what suffering could have been avoided had someone simply put a bullet in Hitlers head in 37.

Hitler was far from the craziest of the Nazi's.

If it had not been him, it probably would have been somebody else who was a high ranking member of the SS.

IMO Hitler was LARGELY influenced by his circle into making most of this decisions, considering everything in his bio would suggest that prior to becoming the Fuhrer, he was a coward.

But I digress, I see what you mean. It's just not going to solve anything to keep killing them.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Variable

Imagine what suffering could have been avoided had someone simply put a bullet in Hitlers head in 37.

Hitler was far from the craziest of the Nazi's.

If it had not been him, it probably would have been somebody else who was a high ranking member of the SS.

IMO Hitler was LARGELY influenced by his circle into making most of this decisions, considering everything in his bio would suggest that prior to becoming the Fuhrer, he was a coward.

~Tenth

Thats the truth.

His close associates made him look freaking sane. Hitler was in charge only cause he was the least crazy out the bunch.

news reports that parts of the combat was hand to hand. 15 kills up close and personal with kabar and hands and feet. you can't do some push ups and lift a log a few times while being filmed for a propaganda video and be bad ass. Delta force went in said "video this; you pansy goat screwing byotches!"

any time. any place. we own it and there is not a damned thing you can do about it. none of you are ever safe even in the places you are thickest.

how's that for terror?