Boston University prof flunks 'white masculinity' in controversial tweets

This boils my blood.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

I think she should be made to retract her statements as well.
It is really a colossal mistake and very insensitive.

It was an email and it was also the 'liberal left' that jumped on it.

Was there calls for firings?

Someone who goes of her way to not spend a dime in a white owned buiseness in not someone who accidentaly made a mistake. Far from it even, but that should be obvious to anyone who is willing to be honest to themselves when they hear this woman state those sort of things. It is flat our sexist and racist.

And next to that,

How come white woman exempt from her public attacks anyway? White woman are somehow less racist all of a sudden somehow?
Off course not. But i am willing to bet a $1000 that this woman is a Third Wave Feminist first (not a compliment by large to be called that btw) and a Racist second. If she would rule her ideal world she would get rid of white men first then white woman would be next anyway. After that , black men would get their turn to be removed.

a reply to: Metallicus

What a disgrace....and shame on the College...free speech huh? And it's things like this that divide the country even more...

a reply to: Metallicus

I wonder what she was responding to? I guess if she was talking about the hazing that was going on...she is correct to a degree...She is way off on the slavery issue....wasn't just white people who owned slaves...she is pretty hot though

originally posted by: chrismarco
she is pretty hot though

I can only concur. It's a shame she's such a vile person.

a reply to: christophoros

Must be whitey's fault. Right?

Couldn't be because of the bad decisions they make.

That's what I get from your post.

a reply to: everyone

Well, that's easy. Get rid of white men, and after a generation or three at most, there would be almost no more whites ever except for ever rarer births as the skin coloration genes were gradually worked out of the system, especially if she kept up her policy of getting rid of all white males.

originally posted by: Metallicus


The double standard about who can tweet what isn't what bothers me about this, although, if this were turned around in any sense then we would see firings and outrage of epic proportions.

All the arguments about WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON DID/SAID this or that...is premised on the idea that racism and history does not exist.

If white people were declared cattle property belonging to black people for 200 years in North America followed by a declining but still present racist climate...then we can talk apples to apples.

This woman says stupid things..agreed, but the simple mind-set of what if a white person said it does not work. African Americans and White People in the USA are not apples to apples.

It's an exhausting fallacy...what if my sister was my brother and my dog was my cat!

White people are not treated the same as black people in this country and never have been...getting better? yes...but still a problem and a reality. Apples to oranges.

a reply to: Indigo5

So in other words you want revenge or vengeance.

Basically, it's either wrong to say this kind of thing or it's OK. It doesn't who says it. We either put our past behind us and understand that NO ONE living today is a part of that anymore or we will NEVER move forward.

The whole idea that because X happened, we can never do or say Y ceases to hold water once you get so many generations out from X. It has been over 100 years since those days. And those who lived in the Civil Rights Era are becoming old going on three generations.

How long do want to perpetuate this?

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Metallicus


The double standard about who can tweet what isn't what bothers me about this, although, if this were turned around in any sense then we would see firings and outrage of epic proportions.

All the arguments about WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON DID/SAID this or that...is premised on the idea that racism and history does not exist.

If white people were declared cattle property belonging to black people for 200 years in North America followed by a declining but still present racist climate...then we can talk apples to apples.

This woman says stupid things..agreed, but the simple mind-set of what if a white person said it does not work. African Americans and White People in the USA are not apples to apples.

It's an exhausting fallacy...what if my sister was my brother and my dog was my cat!

White people are not treated the same as black people in this country and never have been...getting better? yes...but still a problem and a reality. Apples to oranges.

Tell me more about how my family, who never owned slaves and were 100% northerners are in any way shape or form responsible for this.

AS I recall we even fought and supported a war to end it.

Yes we ARE apples to apples. If you believe otherwise then YOU have the problem.

For 200 years SOUTHERNERS owned slaves, and NORTHERNERS finally had enough and fought them to stand up for what's right. Whites and Blacks fighting for it.

Underground railroad mean anything to you?

Your simplistic view of history is problematic at best.

Seems to be the way things are going these days. White bashing is the in-thing. Why is it so difficult to attain balance and equality? For many years African Americans were upset about being treated like second-class citizens (and they were well within their rights to be upset) but now it seems like they want the upper hand to compensate for past traumas.

Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.

originally posted by: Xaphan
Seems to be the way things are going these days. White bashing is the in-thing. Why is it so difficult to attain balance and equality? For many years African Americans were upset about being treated like second-class citizens (and they were well within their rights to be upset) but now it seems like they want the upper hand to compensate for past traumas.

Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.

Well said.

They are not simply content to be equal, they want to be allowed to be as nasty as they think white people were to them.

I've been profiled. I've had long hair for as long as I can remember, I ride a motorcycle and I do not dress in current trends. Jeans and a t-shirt usually is what you'll find me in. (Try being a "white guy" with long hair and walk into a high end store and tell me you don't get stared at, and watched extra closely.)

Does it offend me? No. As a matter of fact, I laugh it off. I have been stopped and physically SEARCHED several times while leaving a store. I always tell them the same thing. "When you find nothing, the next person you will hear from is my lawyer."

Do I get violent, and yell and scream and destroy things? NO! That would merely encourage their stereotyping.

Much like the riots in Ferguson & Baltimore did.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

So in other words you want revenge or vengeance.

Basically, it's either wrong to say this kind of thing or it's OK.

Was there a self imposed reading comprehension issue? Perhaps for rhetorical convenience? Or did you miss the part where I said "This woman says stupid things..agreed"

I never said it was "right" to say these kinds of things...I said what she said was stupid.

I also said the whole "If a white person said it" argument fails logical standards, historical standards, reality standards and requires one to wipe hundreds of years of history from their mind while simultaneously claiming that white people suffer from equal hardships of racism in the USA. It simply requires a massive amount of denial and delusion.

See...both things can be true...What she said was wrong...and the "If a white person said it" is a severely fallacious argument, faulted thinking, apples to oranges.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

We either put our past behind us and understand that NO ONE living today is a part of that anymore or we will NEVER move forward.

Agreed that is a noble aspiration and goal...but first we need to acknowledge there is a problem....not deny it?


Does racism exist?

Does it exist in equal measures toward white people and black?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

The whole idea that because X happened, we can never do or say Y ceases to hold water once you get so many generations out from X.

Slavery is history...racism is not...admitting reality is a starting point for continuing any progress.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Metallicus


The double standard about who can tweet what isn't what bothers me about this, although, if this were turned around in any sense then we would see firings and outrage of epic proportions.

All the arguments about WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON DID/SAID this or that...is premised on the idea that racism and history does not exist.

If white people were declared cattle property belonging to black people for 200 years in North America followed by a declining but still present racist climate...then we can talk apples to apples.

This woman says stupid things..agreed, but the simple mind-set of what if a white person said it does not work. African Americans and White People in the USA are not apples to apples.

It's an exhausting fallacy...what if my sister was my brother and my dog was my cat!

White people are not treated the same as black people in this country and never have been...getting better? yes...but still a problem and a reality. Apples to oranges.

Tell me more about how my family, who never owned slaves and were 100% northerners are in any way shape or form responsible for this.

AS I recall we even fought and supported a war to end it.

Yes we ARE apples to apples. If you believe otherwise then YOU have the problem.

For 200 years SOUTHERNERS owned slaves, and NORTHERNERS finally had enough and fought them to stand up for what's right. Whites and Blacks fighting for it.

Underground railroad mean anything to you?

Your simplistic view of history is problematic at best.

SINCE Slavery happened in the past and no one today owned slaves or was directly responsible THEN Racism in the USA no longer exists and is no longer an issue.

You can tell me if you are able to spot the fault in your logic.

a reply to: Indigo5

Maybe you should study up on history and learn about white slaves who were treated every bit as bad as black slaves for thousand of years as well.

Slavery was not experienced by a single race as you seem to think.

originally posted by: poncho1982

Tell me more about how my family, who never owned slaves and were 100% northerners are in any way shape or form responsible for this.

Well my family did. That was never a secret. When I looked into things further (prompted by DNA analysis), it turns out that I am a direct descendent of three family lines that have been in the U.S. for a very long time, one from before its inception, and they all had slaves.

originally posted by: poncho1982
For 200 years SOUTHERNERS owned slaves, and NORTHERNERS finally had enough and fought them to stand up for what's right. Whites and Blacks fighting for it.

Underground railroad mean anything to you?

Your simplistic view of history is problematic at best.

From my perspective this "Northern" vs. Southern distinction for white people is still buying into the idea that we should be responsible for the sins of our ancestors. It's just another take on the same thing.

I also came to find out that my maternal line is part of that 4% of self identified "white" people that have African heritage in the U.S.

My ancestors were northern U.S., southern U.S., African, Jewish, Scottish, Welsh, Norwegian, Sardinian, Russian and apparently... Yupik Eskimo. These are my direct lines of descent. This is how we have moved through history. Americans are a mixed up bunch. Maybe we should just start thinking of ourselves as American...?

It's a young country yet, maybe someday we'll become more homogenized. I think that would be better. I would like to think that that doesn't need to happen in order for everyone to get along, but maybe in this country it does. I can't help but wonder how many times this has happened in history, as ethnic groups blend. I think maybe this animosity is pretty common, but ours is reinforced by the institutional slavery based upon ethnicity in our past. It is a factor. If it wasn't then why harp on the Northern vs. Southern thing? We all have this horrible thing in our collective past and it certainly seems to impact your view of your ancestral history. We share this culturally, it has an impact, we should acknowledge and respect it and then, eventually, learn from it and move on.

I think that your view of history and ethnic heritage is just as simplistic as the one that you are railing against. Maybe more so. You are falling into the same trap, which is hypocritical and a logical fallacy, and on a personal note irritating and offensive (and I'll just say it for you, so you don't have to; I am quite certain that you give a fart in whirlwind about what offends me, but still...)

So, maybe all your superior "Northern" ancestors didn't hold slaves and participated in the underground railroad, I don't know. I'm pretty sure you probably don't know what all is back there either. Maybe you don't want to though, it might be a punch to your gut.

a reply to: Metallicus

She is a moron with a piece of paper from a college. And imagine that she has a small platform, like a college classroom to spout her moronic rants.

The saddest thing about this is that there are parents who pay for their kids to go to a college, where this moron teaches.

a reply to: Metallicus

Being white male and comfortable in my masculinity, I must say, I couldn't care less about this Profs. comments.

They mean nothing to me.

Having said that? There will be repercussions for her. The University can't be happy with her, as it reflects poorly upon her... Some of her white male colleagues can't be real happy with her, either.

As for having trouble on MLK day finding minority owned businesses to spend her money in??? She obviously not looking real hard.

I can find non white owned business' in my little town, surely in Boston she can find 'em, too.

I wish her well in her little square peg life.

originally posted by: MoreBeer
a reply to: Indigo5

Maybe you should study up on history and learn about white slaves who were treated every bit as bad as black slaves for thousand of years as well.

Slavery was not experienced by a single race as you seem to think.

God help me that is stupid.

Yes..yes..yes...there have been white slaves and every other color slave in history...that speaks nothing about specifically US History, policy, law and culture.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Metallicus

Being white male and comfortable in my masculinity, I must say, I couldn't care less about this Profs. comments.

They mean nothing to me.

I feel about the same. So an "incoming" ...aka...doesn't have the job yet..ASSISTANT professor at Boston University tweeted really stupid crap.....I Don't care...people tweet stupid stuff all the time. The University has now publicly condemned her "tweets".

Ya know what these kinds of statements are good for? Race baiting arguments...and ATS never lets folks down in that regard.