Murder charges against Freddie Gray cops may be DROPPED

a reply to: Greathouse

He'd be on death row by now, actually, if the tables were turned.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

I know you think you're being clever and all tongue in cheek about how the evil police are free from scrutiny and the poor boy would be on death row blah blah blah.

But in reality, the trial wouldn't have even begun yet. Depending on the severity of the charges and his previous criminal history, he might even be afforded bail. Most murder trials take several days to try, and if a conviction is handed down, a sentencing phase must be held which takes weeks, usually. On top of ALL that, Maryland doesn't even have the Death Penalty anymore. It was abolished in 2013 by Governer Martin O'Malley.

But you go ahead and continue on with your clever quips.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Maryland doesn't have the death penalty so....nope.

originally posted by: Elementalist
a reply to: dashen

Was probably planned out this way all along.

The original statement was to ease the aftermath of the outcome, from these pigs. Baltimore when bat crazy, to give some ease to the people, original statement is officer will be charged.

Pump fake! Police military is a reality now. They control us more then ever, using their war pigs..

ETA - scientificrailgun beat me too it! should of read posts...

What is a "War Pig"?

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

If I had the time I would quote the average time that murder charges are filed.


But I will use your scenario. If the situation was reversed. Freddie gray handcuffed a officer and threw him in a van. They then found The van about an hour and a half later with the dead police officer in it but no signs of bullet Wounds or beating.

Freddie gray would've still been charged with murder in a couple days if not immediately.


It's kind of hard to argue with logic but still people will find way.

Of course he would have been charged. For one, kidnapping is illegal, in your situation, Freddie Grey kidnapped an officer, restrained him, and drove him around in a van until he died. None of that is legal.

I know you'll jump ALL over this, but with Police, it's a different story. Police detain people regularly, they put them in vans regularly. The drive these detained people around regularly. When Grey died, First they must determine whether they detained him legally. They must determine whether inappropriate force was used to place Grey in custody. They must determine whether it was via intentional neglect and/or "rough driving" caused Grey to die, or if it was simply an accident. There's a ton a variables, so the investigation naturally would need to take longer to gather all the facts.

If Grey kidnaps a police officer and drives him around in a van until he/she is dead, well a civilian has no legal authority to do ANY of those things, so it's more cut and dry.

Racism is us against them. It is a social construct for control. This is how you are ruled, divide and conquer. They want riots, then they can send in more goons with guns. Protest is participation. Don't participate unificate! Embrace your neighbors diversity and unify into a cooperative and loving organization and render that tiny group that wish to control us redundant

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yep your reply makes a lot of sense. If of course you totally skip the logic of my reply.

If the game is rigged, why are you still playing the game?

a reply to: Greathouse

What then, was the logic you're trying infer upon me? What is it that I'm missing in your hypothetical situation? Please explain it to me. Rather than just telling me "I'm wrong" and being smarmy, tell me what it is that I am missing. I feel I've been respectful in this discussion, I expect the same from you.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
God, railgun! It's people who have a background and education in criminal justice, maybe even a degree in it. And study case law. And study policies and procedures. But are removed enough from the system that nobody could possibly ever think they might be tainted.

Duh.

Mock all you want.

Excuse me for believing police investigating police presents a conflict of interest.

I'll try to help you. When i look at something logically. I look at it on it's barest principles and come to the most realistic conclusion without any mitigating factors. In other words I use the kiss theory. a reply to:


As for your reply. You omitted many variables. The crime could've been committed by a left-handed cop he might've only been able to get right-handed pen's . He might also have been an Orthodox Jew and the offense could have occurred on Shabbat.

You see what I mean?

When you start adding every variable to a logical reply. The logic of your reply has been totally ignored.


Edit; i'm glad I took a breath and erased my last reply. I like you and the reply was stingingly sarcastic and I thought better of it.

It seems I might be doing something right today after all.





Beers




ScientificRailgun

a reply to: FraggleRock

To paraphrase your line: did I say that?

It can be a conflict of interest. No denying it.

But you've yet to explain where this group of people is that is fully versed and informed on the law, as well and policies and procedures, yet is somehow totally outside of "the system" and therefore doesn't immediately run in to the same complaints as cops investigating cops, DAs investigating cops, DOJ investigating cops, etc.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Sorry if the truth offends you so. Butt-hurt is often a side effect of the truth.

It is a well known fact that cops seldom ever get charged with anything, even rarer do they get convicted, and their sentences laughably light and cushy. It is also known that there is a huge racial disparity in arrests, convictions, imprisonment.

Just stating the obvious.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

The truth is Freddie wouldn't be on death row because he wouldn't be eligible for capital punishment.

But don't let actual facts stop your rhetoric.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So long as you continue to let your literalism completely ignore the point of the post.

But hey, you see what you want.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Some people like to stick to facts, some don't. Not my job to try and determine your meaning when you stick to rhetoric.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I can't explain the whereabouts of something that doesn't currently exist. Nor did I ever imply that such a group was currently in existence. Nor did I imply any such group would or should exist 100% independent of the entire criminal justice system.

But hey, to paraphrase your line: Don't let the facts get in the way.

a reply to: FraggleRock

Never said you did bub. You've been asked repeatedly "who should do it?" and can't even suggest anything or anybody.

If wishes were fishes and such

originally posted by: Shamrock6

Never said you did bub. You've been asked repeatedly "who should do it?" and can't even suggest anything or anybody.

If wishes were fishes and such

Actually I did make a suggestion which you of course mocked, I assume for lacking specifics, which in turn lead us down this current path of conversation.

My mistake for having an opinion and a general idea but not having all the specific details mapped out for proper presentation.

i don't think i would disagree with the 2nd degree charge being on the table. Maliciously bad driving is deranged indifference when you fail to secure your passenger.

But i think everyone agrees that the prosecutor has really screwed up here. Its like she wants the city of Baltimore to burn to the ground.

Itll be interesting. The US has not done a good job dealing with these issues lately. From the POTUS referring to police acting "stupidly", to the POTUS making comments about the Ferguson situation way before any facts were really to be had, to this DA jumping the gun, to the public statements about New Orleans being "Chocolate" by the former mayor. We elect "leaders" who fail in their leadership time and time again. Who fan the flames of race fighting in our nation, and who consistently speak out of turn, at the completely wrong time, in the most ignorant of ways. Seems folks are too busy fighting with each other to really notice.

All this double speak. Political correctness. People hide their true feelings on things, and end up being snakes in the grass. Even people who don't realize they are a snake, who are oblivious to their own racism that has been dressed up in a veil of double speak and political correctness.