Murder charges against Freddie Gray cops may be DROPPED

They can drop the charges for murder, but they'll just swap those out for negligent homicide.

They all ADMITTED they didn't get him proper medical care.

The failure of these LEO's is why this man is dead and that fact isn't disputable. The only way these guys walk is if the prosecution is TERRIBLE.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
That's what happens when trying to appeal to the unrest of the masses in a hasty fashion. Sounds like they jumped the gun prior to the investigation being completed and are now having to backtrack in order to get any charge they can.

No doubt, if the charges are dropped, rioting will start again......

I used to work with prosecutors. This one broke every rule of good prosecutorial practice in the book. Horrendous actually. She ignored her own investigators; every Prosecutor's office has its own set of trained police investigators who typically vet the evidence to see if its worthy of presenting up to the Grand Jury for consideration of an indictment. The Investigating Detectives usually draft the probable cause instrument and the sets of charges based upon the evidence they uncover. In this case, Mosby herself drafted the probable cause affidavit and the sets of charges before the Detectives had reviewed the evidence and she entirely bypassed the Grand Jury. I learned all of this from an interview of a career prosecutor who'd been with the Baltimore Office for 27 years. She was livid and appalled at the misconduct of this prosecutor.

But of course...this plays well into the agenda.

a reply to: MoreBeer

Right because I don't buy into the hive mind that had the cops guilty before any evidence came to light I lack critical thinking and am seeking attention.

No, because of this comment:

Mr Grey died because of his criminal history.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Ya but they are not the ones saying the evidence doesn't match it now, that is what the police investigation is now saying.

These articles are all about the police investigation and what it is finding.

Or did I read it wrong?

a reply to: MoreBeer

Right because I don't buy into the hive mind that had the cops guilty before any evidence came to light I lack critical thinking and am seeking attention.

Ya you just buy into the hive mind that they did nothing wrong and this is all freddy's fault.

a reply to: dashen

The problem here is whether the charges can actually be proven.
While I don't think anyone here is naive enough to simply trust the process (come on, the police unions have basically already started threatening national strikes if these officers are imprisoned - strange that, coming from a group of people who's job is law enforcement, CORRUPT MUCH?) it was a bad move to level charges the way she did, when there was seemingly little evidence to back up the notion of deliberate murder.

What we've seen so far is that they all showed an incredible lack of basic care, they had no sense of responsibility for the man they had in their vehicle, they treated him like less than an animal. That's not about race, that's about utter disdain for Human life and utter arrogance for their "superior" positions.

I don't want to get into a whole post about the psychology of unaccountable authority and the dehumanizing of others (that's happening across US policing) but these officers showed that they had no thought for the safety and wellbeing of someone they had decided was a "lowlife criminal" and seemingly undeserving of decency or respect. This is pandemic across the US.

The mentality here was one of sickening disregard for someone, and that would have to be considered manslaughter, not murder, unless the laws in the state are different to almost everywhere else in the civilized world.

Unless there is a video (like the one seized from the restaurant, where quite mysteriously none of the officers remembered they had been) showing those officers physically attacking him, they will not likely be able to prove anything greater than manslaughter.

Without the evidence to press the case, that prosecutor listing all of those charges has probably made the whole situation 10X worse than it would have been. Now there is going to be a massive sense of injustice throughout the community, and likely across the country too. It's going to embolden already psychologically damaged cops who think they'll always have someone watching over them ready to step in when they f-up, as well as enrage millions of citizens who will instantly see this as a corrupt conspiracy by an organization of people they already do not trust one little bit.

I'm not sure what the time frame is likely to be on this, but people really do need to prepare for the worst here. I don't want to hype this up, and I really don't want to start making excuses for the anger before anything has happened, but people will rightly be enraged over this, and it is not going to be pretty. America has been building up the pressure in this bottle for a damn long time, doing nothing at all to fix these problems, it's about to blow up in your faces big time.

a reply to: Snarl

That....was an interesting editorial. Particularly the part of "turning it around" the other direction.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The articles are about what the police investigation turned up, yes. I thought the police arrived at a manslaughter charge. Did *I* read something wrong? Or am I missing your point?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Ahh we have a good old master of Doublespeak here.

If you haven't noticed the winds not blowing the way I'm heading.

a reply to: Shamrock6
Not originally correct?

Ya they are saying in the article that it should be no more then that sure.

a reply to: MoreBeer

So only people that disagree with you can have bought into a hive mentality.

Makes perfect sense.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The hive mentality is easy to spot. It's the one the media backs and tells people what they should believe.

Critical thinkers on the other hand can see through this bs and form their own informed opinions.

a reply to: MoreBeer

Well no, not really. You said gray died because of his criminal history. Sremmos honed in on that. Not really double speak so much as locking in on a ridiculous statement.

@ Sremmos. I'm still not following you bud. If you want to send me a U2U go for it so we don't hijack the thread.

originally posted by: MoreBeer
a reply to: Sremmos80

The hive mentality is easy to spot. It's the one the media backs and tells people what they should believe.

Critical thinkers on the other hand can see through this bs and form their own informed opinions.

I see your angle now. Anyone who doesn't see things EXACTLY as you see them are uninformed idiots with a hive mentality being led around like good little sheep by the media.

So your issue is more an issue of a persecution complex.

a reply to: MoreBeer

Seems to me the media is stating that the State's Attorney was overzealous and trying to appease the people of Baltimore. So... buzz buzz?

a reply to: MoreBeer

Ya so obviously you are the only one that is using critical thinking and any one else is just following the herd.

Like i said, makes perfect sense.

because the police investigation into his death doesn't support the prosecution's case

Where is the head of the fraternal order of police declaring a conflict of interest?

Why would anyone be surprised when an investigation into the actions of police conducted by police concludes charges against police aren't supported?

a reply to: FraggleRock

I see this argument all the time. Who then should investigate the case? The uninformed members of the public with virtually no knowledge of how the Justice system works beyond what they saw on C.S.I or Law and Order? Those with education and training into the workings of the system are best suited to investigate the case. And the majority of people WITH that education and training are PART of that system. Rarely does someone get a degree in criminal justice or law and just go dig ditches or flip burgers.

So tell me, who SHOULD be investigating this case?

a reply to: FraggleRock

Funny, since the police investigation does support charges.

Just not all the same ones the state's attorney had people arrested on.

But don't let little facts like that get in the way.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

An outside party with the knowledge of how it works. It isn't like that doesn't or can't exist.

Does it have to be some one with a degree in criminal justice to investigate a case involving the police?