Two shot outside Muhammad Art Exhibit in Garland

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982
Is there a law here in America that says you CAN'T draw a picture of mohamed?

Last I checked the answer is no.

Regardless of your "personal" feelings about it, every single American should be standing up for the right to do it, and against the idiot criminal that shot the people.

Freedom of Speech has ZERO limits. You either support it 100% or you believe it shouldn't be.

You do not have the right to not be offended, and rightly so.

Freedom of speech has ZERO LImits eh?

What about all those FREE SPEECH ZONES?

en.wikipedia.org...

They're Unconstitutional

Pretty simple.

You can retract the bait now.

a reply to: poncho1982

C'mon man, what ever one's feelings about this incident, it's simply not true to say that freedom of speech has no limits.

Go slander someone, write CP fantasies and post them through parents doors or call some hulking behemoth's mother a whore.

Obviously, i really don't recommend that any one do such stupid s###.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982
Is there a law here in America that says you CAN'T draw a picture of mohamed?

Last I checked the answer is no.

Regardless of your "personal" feelings about it, every single American should be standing up for the right to do it, and against the idiot criminal that shot the people.

Freedom of Speech has ZERO limits. You either support it 100% or you believe it shouldn't be.

You do not have the right to not be offended, and rightly so.

Freedom of speech has ZERO LImits eh?

What about all those FREE SPEECH ZONES?

en.wikipedia.org...

They're Unconstitutional

Pretty simple.

You can retract the bait now.

Of course they're unconstitutional. You're welcome to fight them over it. How do you think that will go? Sure you will probably get a million dollar pay out, but you will be injured for life.

But they exist in America.

They are enforced in America.

You can be sure you will end up in the back of a paddy wagon probably thrown about and in a choke hold or worse, dead, if you step outside that zone.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How would a Jewish initiated "Let's derogatorily draw Jesus" hate rally "exhibit" go down in the heart of Texas?

Didn't Borat have them cheering his "kill the Jews" speech?



These are legitimate questions, I'm just wondering.

Well, if the poo Madonna and Piss Christ are any indication, there would have been many sternly worded letters to the editor and they'd be ignored due to the concept of freedom of speech we have in the US.

originally posted by: babybunnies
If you're going to have a cartoon contest where the sole subject is the Prophet Mohammed, you're going to attract the ire of the Muslim community.

The organizers KNEW that this was going to create a problem, and went ahead with it anyway.

The organizers are totally responsible for the deaths of the people who were shot. Even if they didn't pull the trigger, the security guards wouldn't have been needed had this ridiculous contest not taken place.

I'd suggest that the gunmen who tried to kill people for drawing stuff would be the responsible people.

They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

originally posted by: texasgirl
They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...

Yes, Elton Simpson.

Not a very Islamic name is it.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: poncho1982

C'mon man, what ever one's feelings about this incident, it's simply not true to say that freedom of speech has no limits.

Go slander someone, write CP fantasies and post them through parents doors or call some hulking behemoth's mother a whore.

Obviously, i really don't recommend that any one do such stupid s###.

Slander is spreading outright lies with intent to hurt someone.

And the hulking bohemoth is not the Government. Private insults are always subject to backlash, but they are not illegal.

And slander must be proven in a court of law. they simply do not arrest someone for it.

As far as CP, well, if those initials mean what I think they mean, I don't think that they can be arrested for stories either, just pictures. I could be wrong. But that is a special case and they''re talking about children, not adults.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: poncho1982

C'mon man, what ever one's feelings about this incident, it's simply not true to say that freedom of speech has no limits.

Go slander someone, write CP fantasies and post them through parents doors or call some hulking behemoth's mother a whore.

Obviously, i really don't recommend that any one do such stupid s###.

Slander is spreading outright lies with intent to hurt someone.

And the hulking bohemoth is not the Government. Private insults are always subject to backlash, but they are not illegal.

And slander must be proven in a court of law. they simply do not arrest someone for it.

As far as CP, well, if those initials mean what I think they mean, I don't think that they can be arrested for stories either, just pictures. I could be wrong. But that is a special case and they''re talking about children, not adults.

You cannot win a slander case against a dead person.

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982
Is there a law here in America that says you CAN'T draw a picture of mohamed?

Last I checked the answer is no.

Regardless of your "personal" feelings about it, every single American should be standing up for the right to do it, and against the idiot criminal that shot the people.

Freedom of Speech has ZERO limits. You either support it 100% or you believe it shouldn't be.

You do not have the right to not be offended, and rightly so.

Freedom of speech has ZERO LImits eh?

What about all those FREE SPEECH ZONES?

en.wikipedia.org...

They're Unconstitutional

Pretty simple.

You can retract the bait now.

Of course they're unconstitutional. You're welcome to fight them over it. How do you think that will go? Sure you will probably get a million dollar pay out, but you will be injured for life.

But they exist in America.

They are enforced in America.

You can be sure you will end up in the back of a paddy wagon probably thrown about and in a choke hold or worse, dead, if you step outside that zone.

How did those "free speech zones" work out for the Bundy Ranch protesters? Last I saw, they sat empty and people STILL said whatever the heck they wanted outside of them. Strength in numbers.

Johnny Roby of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was attending the conference. He told the AP he was outside the building when he heard around about 20 shots that appeared to be coming from the direction of a passing car.

Roby said he then heard two single shots. He said he heard officers yell that they had the car before he was sent inside the building.

Link

Sounds like a drive by but he is basing it on sounds. 2 shots, two kills. Surprising since normally 10 or 15 shoots are used at any one target, based on many other shootings. Wonder if some of the first set were also actually from security.

After the shooting, about 75 attendees were escorted by authorities to another room in the conference center. A woman held up an American flag, and the crowd sang "God Bless America."

That will show'em.

It looks like it is being portrayed as one might call the 'Texas Hebdo' shooting.

a reply to: UnBreakable

It totally includes the disrespect of putting a cross in a jar of urine. I do find it hilarious personally, but I would never present such a thing to a Christian. What would I gain from doing that?

None of these pieces of "art" deserve violence (as nothing does) but again, it's a two way street.

Indeed freedom of speech reigns at the end of the day, but that doesn't mean there is a NEED to be disrespectful of others and their beliefs. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

This is basic respect of others and their belifes that we try and teach kids on a play ground.

Then again, freedom of religion basically just means you have the right to be ridiculed. But that's besides the point.

At the end of he day, I would love if all religious followers just kept it to themselves. No one outside their belief system cares about it, so keep everyone else out of it. Religion/faith is personal... So keep it as such.

Again, this really had nothing to do with Islam or Muslims anyway...this has everything to do with stirring a pot for control and profits and manipulating people into buying an agenda through acts like this and other turrist crap. Divide and conquer, right?

a reply to: texasgirl

one has been ID and yes it appears he was a U.S. citizen, he also has been convicted was placed on probation for lying to the FBI for trying to go and join a terror group in africa. his roommate is believed to be the second gunman.

Simpson was well known to the FBI. Five years ago he was convicted for lying to federal agents about his plans to travel to Africa, but a judge ruled the government did not adequately prove he was going to join a terror group there.
One of Garland, Texas Shooting Suspects ID'd, Official Says

guess he was one of those radicalized homegrown ones on the social media i was talking about.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: poncho1982
Is there a law here in America that says you CAN'T draw a picture of mohamed?

Last I checked the answer is no.

Regardless of your "personal" feelings about it, every single American should be standing up for the right to do it, and against the idiot criminal that shot the people.

Freedom of Speech has ZERO limits. You either support it 100% or you believe it shouldn't be.

You do not have the right to not be offended, and rightly so.

Freedom of speech has ZERO LImits eh?

What about all those FREE SPEECH ZONES?

en.wikipedia.org...

They're Unconstitutional

Pretty simple.

You can retract the bait now.

Of course they're unconstitutional. You're welcome to fight them over it. How do you think that will go? Sure you will probably get a million dollar pay out, but you will be injured for life.

But they exist in America.

They are enforced in America.

You can be sure you will end up in the back of a paddy wagon probably thrown about and in a choke hold or worse, dead, if you step outside that zone.

How did those "free speech zones" work out for the Bundy Ranch protesters? Last I saw, they sat empty and people STILL said whatever the heck they wanted outside of them. Sterength in numbers.

So it becomes an arms race with numbers.

I have no problem with that, as long as people get off their backsides and stand up against it.

But the fact is, those anti-free speech concepts EXIST in America, TODAY and they are NOT going anyway anytime soon, same for checkpoints on the road. Again, unconstitutional, along with MANY MANY things so all this trumping about freedoms is pure hogwash if nobody stands up and defends it. Seems to be too little of that happening and is why a lot of people are cheering on Baltimore.

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: texasgirl
They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...

Yes, Elton Simpson.

Not a very Islamic name is it.

So a person's name is indicative of their religion? So you can tell Tom Cruise is a Scientologist just by the name?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: texasgirl
They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...

Yes, Elton Simpson.

Not a very Islamic name is it.

So a person's name is indicative of their religion? So you can tell Tom Cruise is a Scientologist just by the name?

Many times it is, yes. I agree, it shouldn't be but in reality, it is.

Even in Western religions it is. Witness Northern Ireland, ethnic cleansing going on (housing areas mostly) and if you have a protestant sounding name a person wont sell you a house most likely in a catholic area and vica versa. Same for Islam and Hindu and other religions, names are cultural and also in many cases, fashionable.

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: texasgirl

They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.



I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...



Yes, Elton Simpson.



Not a very Islamic name is it.

So is he a follower of ISIS? ISIS has been using twitter to call for Texas attacks?

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: texasgirl
They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...

Yes, Elton Simpson.

Not a very Islamic name is it.

So a person's name is indicative of their religion? So you can tell Tom Cruise is a Scientologist just by the name?

Many times it is, yes. I agree, it shouldn't be but in reality, it is.

Even in Western religions it is. Witness Northern Ireland, ethnic cleansing going on (housing areas mostly) and if you have a protestant sounding name a person wont sell you a house most likely in a catholic area and vica versa. Same for Islam and Hindu and other religions, names are cultural and also in many cases, fashionable.

Yes, in the MAJORITY, not ALL cases.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: cathouse42

originally posted by: texasgirl
They haven't officially released the names of the suspects but FBI was investigating one for terrorism? Elton Simpson? Not sure if that's the correct name. Will check more into it.

I am getting this live from local news here in Dallas.

abcnews.go.com...

Yes, Elton Simpson.

Not a very Islamic name is it.

So a person's name is indicative of their religion? So you can tell Tom Cruise is a Scientologist just by the name?

Many times it is, yes. I agree, it shouldn't be but in reality, it is.

Even in Western religions it is. Witness Northern Ireland, ethnic cleansing going on (housing areas mostly) and if you have a protestant sounding name a person wont sell you a house most likely in a catholic area and vica versa. Same for Islam and Hindu and other religions, names are cultural and also in many cases, fashionable.

Yes, in the MAJORITY, not ALL cases.

True, but it is real, especially if one is very into their religions and cultures. Which these people would be wouldn't they, then again they would also adopt fake names to further their cause and secretly have their alter ego name.

So did the Patriot Act make it illegal and punishable for a person to say they want to join what is labeled a terrorist group.

Punished for the words, not the action.