Disclosure of the Moon Landing Hoax: Part 2

originally posted by: bobbypurify
a reply to: Ove38

Interesting. So the original science is missing.

telemetry not science..

and its not missing it has been recorded in other different types of media.. what is missing is what it was recorded on, and even then its not missing just reused..

if you didnt jump to conclusions based on your pre-conceived ideas about Apollo being a hoax 100% and attempted to maintain your stated neutrality you might have worked it out yourself..

a reply to: choos

All of this is based on NASA's testimony. Lose the original data but don't worry, we have it!

originally posted by: Ove38
There is more than enough evidence in the documentary I gave you. Sorry but it was a USSR hoax

No there is not; just empty words backed up by nothing so far.

It is very simply; a claim is made Gagarin wasn't allowed to talk to the crew at a certain time; where is the evidence? Or is it just this woman claiming this was the case? What is the foundation for her claim? Documents, interviews or her imagination?

ok hoax believers , a simple question :

what is the significance of the apollo mission telemetry data being missing ?

how does its absence from the archives idicate any hoax ?

PS - before answering any of the above - there is one key pre-cursor question :

what is telemetry data ?

lastly - an important caveat - you have already dismissed the ALSJ , TV tootage , video footage , cine footage , physical samples , photographic records , witness testimony , 3rd party co-oberation etc etc etc etc

as lies , fake , hoax - any number of absurd hand waving exciuses not to accept evidence

so - why are you suddenly obsesed with these telemetry tapes ???

it is my contention that if they were presented - you would dismiss them as fake too

so whats the point ?

a reply to: bobbypurify

telemetry such as trajectory which is was recorded in voice communications..

all the telemetry was monitored in real time by mission control..

werent you of the opinion that people in mission control didnt need to know about the hoax??

why would they try and hide the real telemetry when they were studying it in real time??

a reply to: ignorant_ape

They also seem to ignore the fact that ONLY the Apollo 11 tapes are "missing" (they ignore the fact that they were reused AFTER all the data from them was recorded, as well) so even if they want to say that the lack of the original tapes somehow invalidates Apollo 11, so what? there's still six other missions.
Their logic is, if I get an e-mail with some important information on it, print it off, stick it on my fridge so I won't forget it and delete the e-mail, that means nobody will ever know what was in that e-mail.

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: bobbypurify

telemetry such as trajectory which is was recorded in voice communications..

all the telemetry was monitored in real time by mission control..

werent you of the opinion that people in mission control didnt need to know about the hoax??

why would they try and hide the real telemetry when they were studying it in real time??

True. Also, the telemetry and voice transmissions were subject to the doppler effect, which was used to calculate the velocity of the spacecraft back at mission control. If they were going to fake the mission, then the ground controllers who were receiving these transmissions (and using them to calculate velocity) would probably need to have been in on the hoax.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
ok hoax believers , a simple question :

what is the significance of the apollo mission telemetry data being missing ?

how does its absence from the archives idicate any hoax ?

PS - before answering any of the above - there is one key pre-cursor question :

what is telemetry data ?

lastly - an important caveat - you have already dismissed the ALSJ , TV tootage , video footage , cine footage , physical samples , photographic records , witness testimony , 3rd party co-oberation etc etc etc etc

as lies , fake , hoax - any number of absurd hand waving exciuses not to accept evidence

so - why are you suddenly obsesed with these telemetry tapes ???

it is my contention that if they were presented - you would dismiss them as fake too

so whats the point ?

ok, Apollo believer

The Apollo 11 missing tapes refers to Apollo 11's slow-scan television (SSTV) telecast recorded in its raw format on telemetry data tape in 1969. The missing tapes prove that something is wrong with the Apollo 11 story.

a reply to: Ove38

oh dear - and you were doing so well :

now what EXACTLY does the missing tape " proove " is " wrong " with the apollo 11 mission

and as there is no missing data for other apollo missions - do you accept that there is nothing wrong with the accounts of those missions [ 12 ~ 17 ]

think before answering - we wouldnt want your hypocrisy to slip

originally posted by: Ove38
The Apollo 11 missing tapes refers to Apollo 11's slow-scan television (SSTV) telecast recorded in its raw format on telemetry data tape in 1969. The missing tapes prove that something is wrong with the Apollo 11 story.

It does not make sense to 1. down load the original signal SSTV from the A11 space craft 2. perform the slow scan conversion at various remote sites, 3. re-transmit the converted video signals back across leased lines and satellite up/down links to back to Houston, 4. So that MSFC could finally give the signal to the networks.

Any competent engineer would want to preserve the SSTV signal all the way to the closest point of hand off to the networks which was MFSC in Houston.

The first reason an engineer would design a single-point-of-conversion at Houston is cost. By doing all the SSTV conversion at Houston the engineer would only need a primary & secondary (back up) SSTV conversion unit.

With SSTV conversions happening at 3-4 other sites, the engineer now needs primary & back up equipment located at every down link site. Now we are talking about building and paying for 6-8 SSTV conversion units. At a cost of approximately $100,000 each - according to Richard Nafzger.

Nafzger also alluded to the existence of at least one test rig/prototype SSTV conversion unit which was used for training. And Nafzger also told of the SSTV *explosion* which required full replacement to be built on an expedited basis.

According to my notes - we are now looking at about 9 or 10 different SSTV builds located at various locations. The Bellcomm telecom planners didn't seem to take signal quality into consideration and they spent on the order of 5x as much money as to do what they claimed they did.

The second reason an engineer would preserve the SSTV signal -all the way to MSFC- would be to reduce the number of possible points of failure. The signal that NASA finally delivered to the networks at MSFC was already converted off-site from SSTV, and it had travelled on leased commercial lines and satellites.

The telecom planning engineer would take the over all system into consideration and that the lower quality signal MSFC fed to the networks would necessarily be fed right back into the commercial networks from Texas... and the networks would have to deal with any signal further degradation after that point.

Any competent telecom engineer would have done the Apollo 11 SSTV conversions in Houston rather than build 8-10 different SSTV units emplaced around the world. If done this way, Houston might still have copies of the original SSTV signal on tape! But they don't! We all know what happened...

the A11 SSTV tapes were not kept by Houston... they were collected into Accession #A694099 and subsequently 700+ boxes of tapes were lost in transit between the National Archives and Goddard.

Mankind's greatest achievement? Nope - more like mankind's greatest hoax

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

as you are not a competent engineer - but the people who operated the appollo mision comms / TV were - they knew that SSTV is the worst possible boadcast format to use - it was ONLY used from the moon to the downlink stations because thats the only format that the LEM could carry

transmitting SSTV from australia or the UK [ when alternate methods were availiable ] to the US is the silliest " idea " you have proposed since your last post

PS - still waiting for your "explaination " of how the SSTV equipment room fire facilitated a hoax - come on - you can at leat try

a reply to: webstra

if the question is un answered - but the hoax believers continue to drum on about the SSTV fire - then to dammed right it gets re asked

hint - answering the question is the correct solution

i note that you dont seem to mind that hoax believers are unwilling // unable to answer this simple question

The missing original Apollo 11 video tapes is clear evidence of fakery, the truth is being hidden.

a reply to: Ove38

ROFLMAO : hoax believer "logic" at its finest .

evidence for ONE mission out of 8 thats not presented is " evidence of fakery "

hoax believers convieniently ignore the fact that the exact same data for other missions is preented

and the kicker - all other evidence = ignored // rejected for " reasons "

originally posted by: Ove38
The missing original Apollo 11 video tapes is clear evidence of fakery, the truth is being hidden.

Is this the best you have really?? OK the telemetry tapes aren't missing they were used. Next they did find a super 8 recording of the original scans. Meaning that we do have a high quality image of the scans. In fact they Reale sedan them if you haven't seen them go to NASAs website they are a much higher quality than the original TV scans. So if we have two diffret versions of the Apollo 11 tapes nothing is missing. The tapes that were missing were back ups of the original broadcast. Remember it was all done live.

So basically your claiming because we don't have backup tapes the mission was faked. Well people forget to back up there computers I guess that information is fake to?? The logic some people use escapes me. Would you feel better if they rook the super 8 and made a backup from that since this seems to be a requirement?? Or wait we can call the super 8 the back up problem solved.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Ove38
The missing original Apollo 11 video tapes is clear evidence of fakery, the truth is being hidden.

...So basically your claiming because we don't have backup tapes the mission was faked....

No, because we don't have the original tapes !

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Ove38
The missing original Apollo 11 video tapes is clear evidence of fakery, the truth is being hidden.

...So basically your claiming because we don't have backup tapes the mission was faked....

No, because we don't have the original tapes !

so what if we dont have the original tapes..

as said earlier.. the entire mission control room was studying the telemetry for Apollo 11, with the media watching closely..

so if it was hoaxed that must mean that every single person mission control would be directly involved with the hoax.. it would not make sense to say that they were not involved because they believed they were looking at real genuine data, these trained professionals saw no fakery with the telemetry at all.. so there would be absolutely no reason to deliberately hide these data sets..

unless you want to claim that untrained hoax believers are actually more trained and smarter than trained professionals??

if you are referring to the video footage, why is the original so important when video footage has been freely available since they first aired during the Apollo missions..