Disclosure of the Moon Landing Hoax: Part 2

a reply to: Ove38

so nixon had JFK killed because JFK wanted to cooperate with the soviets in space?

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
Apollo 8 mission happened before Nixon was elected

Nixon didnt become POTUS operating in the vacuum of space, he was fully vetted in the whitehouse for eight years as VP under eisenhower when the space race began,

originally posted by: Misinformation

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
Apollo 8 mission happened before Nixon was elected

Nixon didnt become POTUS operating in the vaccum of space, he was eisenhowers VP when the space race began,

So what kind of position of power was he in from 1961 to 1969 that allowed him to orchestrate the alleged hoax of the entire Apollo Program. What position of power allowed him to orchestrate the alleged hoax of men in Apollo 8 orbiting the moon without President Johnson being involved?

Or was president Johnson involved, too. If he was, that sort of ruins Sayonara Jupiter's assertion that Apollo was hoaxed solely because Nixon was a crook of a President (i.e., "Nixon was crooked; ergo we never went to the Moon")

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

that sort of ruins the assertion that Apollo was hoaxed solely because Nixon was a crook of a President (i.e., "Nixon was crooked; ergo we never went to the Moon")

I'm unware of any existing moon hoax theorists who concludes thats solely the rationale,, its just a propagandists conjectural
construct for exclusive consumption...

originally posted by: bobbypurify

originally posted by: Helious
Not everyone who has doubts about the moon landings think that we never went to the moon. Some think only that what was presented to us was not a true and accurate account.

I have always found one thing beyond all others that assures me of this and nothing anyone says will be able to reconcile it in my head, for me, this is absolute.

In 1969 with the entire world watching, NASA was going to "live" broadcast the biggest event in human history, something that seemed impossible, the scope of which was incredibly complex and by rational standards completely untested and they were going to do it at a time when hostility between America and Russia was real and tense, at a time when the Americans had lost every other space fairing race with there cold war adversary when American confidence and opinion was waning.

Had anything that could of went wrong out of the thousands that were possible it would have meant certain death for all the astronauts involved in front of hundreds of millions of Americans and our governments most bitter foes, this would of possibly been a slow painful death for American government and the result still to this day probably can not be measured. It would have been utter chaos and the fallout from which, America may have not recovered.

Contemplating this, think, what makes more sense, sending the brave hero astronauts that America knows and loves or sending others that the public does not know while Neil, Buzz and Michael are safely on Earth filming parts in a studio so if something should happen and the astronauts that did go died, it would not be witnessed by the entire world.

I believe we went to the moon, what I don't believe is the first man to walk on it was Neil Armstrong, I don't think he or any of the others said to be on that Apollo mission were. I think it was simply far to dangerous for America to risk the stability of our entire country on the very real risk and high probability of failure. I think they sent others and I think the discrepancies in some of the video and stills is because it is a mix between real video and images and those that were done here on Earth with the crew we were told was going.

I've often considered this as well and honestly, it makes a lot of sense. Boy, the 20th century saw advances in propaganda that were never imagined before because of the technological leaps and bounds the century bred. I am certainly not against people walking on the moon. I'm not even against Apollo being accuratte - I've just got some doubts and I don't think it happened.

originally posted by: Misinformation

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

that sort of ruins the assertion that Apollo was hoaxed solely because Nixon was a crook of a President (i.e., "Nixon was crooked; ergo we never went to the Moon")

I'm unware of any existing moon hoax theorists who concludes thats solely the rationale,, its just a propagandists conjectural
construct for exclusive consumption...

*cough* sayonarajupiter *cough*

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: Ove38

so nixon had JFK killed because JFK wanted to cooperate with the soviets in space?

I don't know if Nixon was among the decision makers in 1963, what is clear is that JFK wanted to cooperate with the soviets in the moon landing, that is bring rocks back from the moon, something china's national space agency (CNSA) is planing to do in 2017 and NASA says they did in 1969.

a reply to: Ove38

Yes, he did - it was put on the table publicly numerous times, including at the UN in September 1963, and the Soviets even considered it.

Was he assassinated because of it? Who knows - maybe, maybe not.

This would not prove Apollo didn't happen, only that there were people in high places wanting to make sure it did without the Russians being involved.

If it was to avoid cooperating with the Soviets, the Apollo-Soyuz link up was a bit of a failure on their part.

a reply to: Ove38

The main reason behind the cooperation was to defuse nuclear tensions between the two countries, and as part of moves towards making sure space wasn't militarised.

See his speech here:

www.jfklibrary.org...

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

Yes, he did - it was put on the table publicly numerous times, including at the UN in September 1963, and the Soviets even considered it.

Was he assassinated because of it? Who knows - maybe, maybe not.

This would not prove Apollo didn't happen, only that there were people in high places wanting to make sure it did without the Russians being involved.

If it was to avoid cooperating with the Soviets, the Apollo-Soyuz link up was a bit of a failure on their part.

If they killed the president to get it their way, then faking some Apollo pictures and videos was no problem.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

Yes, he did - it was put on the table publicly numerous times, including at the UN in September 1963, and the Soviets even considered it.

Was he assassinated because of it? Who knows - maybe, maybe not.

This would not prove Apollo didn't happen, only that there were people in high places wanting to make sure it did without the Russians being involved.

If it was to avoid cooperating with the Soviets, the Apollo-Soyuz link up was a bit of a failure on their part.

If they killed the president to get it their way, then faking some Apollo pictures and videos was no problem.

Yes it would have been a problem, because the technology they would have needed to fake the missions did not exist.

a reply to: onebigmonkey
Much easier to kill a President. Especially in 1963.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

The main reason behind the cooperation was to defuse nuclear tensions between the two countries, and as part of moves towards making sure space wasn't militarised.

See his speech here:

www.jfklibrary.org...

No, it was because USSR was ahead of USA in getting the rocks from the moon.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

Yes, he did - it was put on the table publicly numerous times, including at the UN in September 1963, and the Soviets even considered it.

Was he assassinated because of it? Who knows - maybe, maybe not.

This would not prove Apollo didn't happen, only that there were people in high places wanting to make sure it did without the Russians being involved.

If it was to avoid cooperating with the Soviets, the Apollo-Soyuz link up was a bit of a failure on their part.

If they killed the president to get it their way, then faking some Apollo pictures and videos was no problem.

hold up.. killing JFK was harder than faking lunar gravity on all objects???

a reply to: Ove38

I suggest you listen to the speech.

Again, it doesn't matter - it does not prove Apollo didn't happen, and the Soviets couldn't get their heavy lift rockets off the ground.

The USA's response to the prospect of the Soviets getting to the moon first was Apollo 8, not assassinating JFK.

First they were behind in the race to the moon and wanted to go together with the soviets, then suddenly they picked up the moon rocks by their hands ? doesn't sound very convincing !

a reply to: Ove38

way to completely oversimplify and cut out years of development..

lets try your method on doctors.. fresh out of highschool with good grades then suddenly doing open heart surgery??

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: Ove38

way to completely oversimplify ...

nevertheless true !

originally posted by: Ove38
First they were behind in the race to the moon and wanted to go together with the soviets, then suddenly they picked up the moon rocks by their hands ? doesn't sound very convincing !

Suddenly?

6 years after that speech is suddenly?