Wal-Mart, Jade Helm, Tunnels and a 2008 ATS Thread.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Oh thank you for posting it! I was trying to find it going through all those pages. My housemate said something about Yellowstone last night too...I was bending his ear about the whole Walmart thing.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Do not get me wrong it could be possible with technology we do not know about yet. Personally I think it has do with unions or economic reasons.



The Yellowstone angle is interesting..........

originally posted by: Willtell
The idea of Wall Mart owned by the billionaires Walton Family being in cahoots with the government is very possible, in-fact likely, for whatever reason conspiracy or not.


Those who reject the possibility of some sinister plot should understand that such sinister plots are legion in the history of the US governmental operations at home and abroad so anything is possible.



That said there is no doubt there are conspiracy obsessive’s who always see conspiracy under every bed sheet


But nevertheless it is always necessary to keep an eye on things and expect the improbable because from the murder of JFK, RFK, MLK, to 911, to giving black men Syphilis, Army troops and prisoners '___', operation Northwoods and many more sinister conspiracies in American history makes it wise to keep our eyes on conspiracy possibilities

Walmart = TPTB = The government = Banking = Media......It is all tied together today. They fix prices and set anti-liberty agendas that enslave the people at the bottom.

Research the top 5 stores within the company exhibiting union activity that also had associate demonstration/opposition to Black Friday policies and you might be amazed. Cheaper to shut em down then let the tentacle grab hold.

Seems to be the most likely reason behind the store shutdowns.

The "plumbing" excuse doesn't hold water. I saw it reported that local investigators found that no permits had been filed for any such repairs, and professional plumbers stating that even if putting in a while new line, it wouldn't take 6 months. I think they simply wanted to thwart unionization efforts. In 6 months, most will have new jobs, thus eliminating organized efforts.

I think the leading conspiracy idea is linking the store closings with the JadeHelm exercise, stating that the stores will become distribution centers under martial law. Seems pretty far-fetched, and sounds like adding 2 and 2 and getting 5.......

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Oh thank you for posting it! I was trying to find it going through all those pages. My housemate said something about Yellowstone last night too...I was bending his ear about the whole Walmart thing.

You are welcome, things get somehow lost in between 23 Walmart-threads...

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Do not get me wrong it could be possible with technology we do not know about yet. Personally I think it has do with unions or economic reasons.



The Yellowstone angle is interesting..........

Spot on!
Still trying to wrap my head around this Walmart-tunnel-issue, I just found some interesting stuff I wanted to share. As far as your comment is concerned:

Im not sure about the proposed tunnels, too much material to move out and in, plus manufacturing of goods to supply itktit would be hard to hide.

Now, walmarts as centres for food distribution to the public controlled by government, makes sence.

I'm pretty sure about the tunnel, the Russians did it - why should I consider them superior in this point? Don't think so. On a sidenote think about the Phil Schneider DULCE story, pretty fascinating.

But spoil is nothing special in areas where you can find lot's of mining going on. And people use to be concerned with their own stuff, usually all the time. If its not on Fox-News it wouldn't be part of this reality either. Then there are these massive caverns underground, some of them may already be connected to the tunnel-system if it has been there since the Cold War. So yeah, they might even store the spoils underground as well.

Hard to argue with any of this as I can't offer any proof whatsoever. Only a very interesting project from the Rand-Corporation:
www.rand.org...

Anyway... I did find an "official statement" as citation in R. Sauders book, but was unable to verify the source so far. Maybe somebody else could provide a hint to catch up any documents regarding this conference:

In 1987, Lloyd A. Duscha, the then-Deputy Director of Engineering and Construction for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, gave a talk at an engineering conference entitled “Underground Facilities for Defense – Experience and Lessons.” In the first paragraph of his talk he stated that:

After World War II, political and economic factors changed the underground construction picture and caused a renewed interest to “think underground.” As a result of this interest, the Corps of Engineers became involved in the design and construction of some very complex and interesting military projects. [1]

www.liveleak.com...

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Yeah, and everyone said that Oswald was the lone shooter, and that the stock market would never crash and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that 9-11 was planned by Muslims and blah blah blah.

Don't EVER pretend to know everything.

The world isn't rainbows and roses, friend.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I'm pretty sure about the tunnel, the Russians did it - why should I consider them superior in this point? Don't think so. On a sidenote think at the Phil Schneider DULCE story, pretty fascinating.

I have read many, many things about secret tunnels underneath cities in the past several years...figured they were put there to transport things/people/whatever far from the public eye, for security reasons. Much like there are tunnels under a lot of old sanitoriums to transport bodies of victims of tuberculosis to avoid the spread of disease...and I'm sure to spare people who were dying the horror of seeing what would happen to them as well.

I have no problem believing that the tunnels are real, but I think they probably have been there for a very long time, and if there are excavations going on it may be either extending the tunnels or reinforcing their structural integrity...I don't think they're brand new.

And how very strange that you mentioned Dulce! It was the first thought that popped into my mind when I saw this thread yesterday.

All those 4.0 earthquakes in Oklahoma with some going into surrounding states. Fracking is a big story here in Pa but there's no flurry of 4. 0 earthquakes or even occasional ones. And Wal mart is being utilized by the US government in the case of a national emergency for its supply network and transportation system.

a reply to: In4ormant

You're probably right. It's probably just an anti-union thing.

But Underground Tunnel Walmart Jade Helm Doom is so much more exciting!

What if the union activity was all just a cover to throw off the public so we wouldn't figure out that they're turning Walmarts into FEMA death camps??

if the country is going to be put under martial law. It sure seems like they would be conducting exercises in every state

Maybe because those states worship the military and won't question them? And also they have a lot of poor, trashy people that nobody would mind much if they disappeared?

You guys have to see this video, see the whole thing if you have time, the break down of the logo is compelling...

www.youtube.com...

Anybody feel like making a map of BigFoot sightings and seeing if it syncs up with these maps?

Or even UFO sightings. Would be interesting, no? I might do it if bored cuz I got a feeling on these lining up!

Damn this # is all over Colorado...thats #in scarey!

a reply to: Arrestme

Your brainchild is my command!
Found this map with UFO-sightings:



Added to the maps with tunnels & Walmart-closings it somehow starts to get confusing:





I didn't find a decent map with bigfoot-sightings so far. Just send me the pic in a pm if you have a good one in mind.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

If there's any merit to this then as usual there will be some aspect to the story that is intentional disinformation. We still don't know for certain what Jade Helm 15 is all about or why we have National guard troops marching through California towns with M16's in hand. Something is up and given the lack of a big false flag since 9/11 I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for some time.

I'm not sure if you have any experience in our armed forces, but that was a ruck march, not some type of crazy martial law training. We (infantry units and some combat support units) frequently perform ruck marches as that is part of our physical training standards. Most of our National Guard units do them in the city/towns there assigned to because it's much more cost efficient then busing to a large base just so you can ruck around.

Secondly, assuming the United States Military will turn against the people is beyond absurd. While I do believe that there are unsavory elements in the United States, the military is the wrong place to look. We frequently discuss our constitutional oath. We exist to protect the people of the United States and we often come from the poorest of backgrounds, we understand the people because we ARE the people. The military really isn't this monolithic unemotional structure that it gets painted to be on certain topics. I'm sure a lot of my veteran brothers and sisters on here will agree.

-Rav

a reply to: PublicOpinion

very nice good sir!
Unfortunately I do not, but I may find the time to find one.
I don't notice many correlations between the UFO sightings tho....except maybe that each area of most sightings seems to be surrounded, and that most sightings seem to be occuring around the least (known) tunnel activity. Drat!


:edit:
actually looking at it more, the more it does seem to line up in or around the super dark areas, and definitely lining up with those pink circles (or are those part of the tunnel map picture?).

a reply to: AllenBishop

Whilst I have not as yet found concrete proof of thermo-boring machines, which if a military piece of equipment, may not be available to the rest of us for quite some time, it is possible to do tunnelling without most people knowing it. It also may be complex but it is certainly very do-able, as the video shows. Bearing in mind that this is a commercial company and not the 'secret-squirrel squad' of advanced engineering that the military has.

at 1.49 "We've been building Europe's larges construction project underneath the people in London and really without any of the people noticing what we were doing"

a reply to: Greathouse

Perhaps it is all just another psy-op, or maybe if they start the rumour mill they can do damage control as they dilute it all with other notions and information that makes people think it is just a crazy 'conspiracy' thus allowing them to keep on trucking with their plans. I don't know, is the answer, but I know they are seriously sneaky and kinniving and very good at layering lies and real to completely obscure what they are doing.

This is why I started this thread, I was hoping we might all be able to figure it out together. If it is real, then we can see what they are up to and choose a course of action, if it is all a psy-op or lies, then we can maybe see how they work so we can learn to be more vigilant in the future.

originally posted by: unb3k4nn7
There are no tunnels under Walmarts... Although I have not worked at any of the Walmart locations you mentioned, I have worked at a Walmart once a few years ago briefly. I worked in the back as a receiving associate unloading the semis when they pulled in. If there were any tunnels, that would be where one would build them as most of the back warehouse is concrete. I guarantee you there are no tunnels as the employees would know it if there were to be any.

That is good to know, at least your Walmart is not part of this, however it doesn't mean none of them are and likewise it doesn't mean all of them are involved either.

a reply to: CB328

Maybe because those states worship the military and won't question them? And also they have a lot of poor, trashy people that nobody would mind much if they disappeared?

Just when I think nothing that anyone says can surprise me anymore, along comes someone like you to prove me wrong.

Which of the states with Walmart closings have the "poor, trashy people"? And tell us, are the two correlated to each other in your estimation; "poor" and "trashy" being synonymous with each other? Can anyone be "trashy" or is that distinction reserved only for "poor" people? Can a person be "trashy" without being "poor", or vice versa? And is it either of those distinctions that cause the lack of concern regarding them disappearing? In other words, if they met the criteria for not being "poor" and/or "trashy", their lives would be more valuable? I know, I know...that is a lot of questions. Take all the time you need. We'll wait to be enlightened further by your astounding intellect.

And you might want to be a little more cautious the next time you climb up that Stupid Tree, that if you fall out of it again you don't hit every single branch on the way down.

originally posted by: Ellie Sagan
a reply to: CthulhuMythos

ohhhh kayyyy.... now I am feeling a little paranoid!

I live right near a WalMart that was built fairly recently, and we don't know why because there is one already near here. This one is smaller and has less items and some prices higher than the other one.

That's not what makes me paranoid though. It is this in combination with the fact that I have heard the mechanical grinding/engine-ish sounds here, only once though.

Are there other signs I should look for? Just curious... I'm not freaking out. Whatever is going to happen will happen.

That is rather strange to shell out the money to build a new store near one you already had, though maybe they wanted to expand and there was not enough land around the original one? Though having said that, why not just build another level up? Were they branching out to make the other newer store more of a theme, e.g. all gardening stuff? If not, that is kinda odd. Interesting you also heard the tunneling sound.

I have no idea what else you should look out for, unless it is increased military presence or something. Don't suppose you have nonchelantly asked any of the staff in either store or both stores how come there is a second one near by?
I would be interested to know what they say, if you ever manage to have the opportunity to ask them.