Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

There are a large number of unused shopping centers near me that could be used and would take less money or time to fix up and do a test run. No one would notice people there there are cars parked there all the time and lot of truckers use them as rest stops. Also it's need a training base already so they would have to go far.

I wonder how many more stores will be closed down. I don't think they'll stop at just 5 they have more then enough store setup already. They could shut down at least 3 in my area and people really wouldn't notice. Maybe they've over expanded and have to cut back. But they could just say that and the stock holds would be fine with that. The plumbing thing is just an odd reason and to share that reason for store in different areas all at the same time. Seems like an upper office call was made. Just would like to know what it was.

originally posted by: Rocker2013


Right, because it makes sense for a private corporation to close several large stores for several months, putting hundreds of employees out of work, causing massive potential PR problems and falling sales across the business, causing potential losses into the millions of $'s, when the same could be achieved by those on the exercise using any of the many hundreds of already vacant locations over a single weekend.

It's called

2 birds one stone.. Maybe even 5 birds one stone... Not only can you accomplish more goals in less time. Then people can go See it's the first bird, so it can't be the second bird.. (Cause obviously smart people never multitask)

I know how it's done, because I do it myself. Maybe it's a scorpion thing.

Closing 5 stores is nothing like what other companies have done. Starbucks had plans to close 600 stores at one point.. I never followed that. How is their PR doing.. If they were doing this for financial reasons, they would say that.. And they would close hundreds of stores.. Some of you guys have little idea of the size of things.. 5 stores, 6 months, plumbing, no notice to employees.. This was MEANT to make the news.. and the plumbing excuse was MEANT to be picked apart.

And besides.. Wal-Mart is an obvious company to have government ties, in the overthrow of a democratic republic.. It even has the Red Star symbol. If we become communist or Fascist, or some weird combo... It would be obvious that the food stamps, bread lines, allowances.. would be through Wal-Mart.. The Logistics are already there.

Look into the future.. We have too many people who have NO value. They don't produce anything. Robots will take over even more and more jobs.. But we shouldn't just kill these people that's evil.. No instead we have to change what money means... Money now means, EXTRA living.. We are already quite socialist.. Taken to an extreme point, only creativity/energy/mining/service will have any value whatsoever, and only for as many people as it takes..

And who knows how much the government could pay out to Wal-Mart to rent 5 stores.. Lol...



Here's what I see as an eventual thing.. We are making a better world. People afraid of America not following the constitution, and being corrupt.. These people have guns. Do that math, and you get the entire picture.
They would be trying to minimize death, while increasing the value of humans.

Just think what happens to an economy when Fusion power combines with advanced 3D printers.. It no longer exists.. We would live in a time with NO MONEY.. (under current ways of living, this would be the end of humanity.. So they are changing the structure of society as fast as they possibly can.)


You are SUPPOSED to notice the Wal-Marts closing.. It's part of the needed game.
They are the Rudder, and you are the Engine. Rudder doesn't work on an Idled Engine.. They Crank the Engine into Gear... Now they can Steer.. Humanity.

Now whether we make an Evil NWO, or a Good NWO... That all depends on who takes the initiate to help form it.



LET US not forget. The US, and Russia are already at war... Russian Special Forces could be all over the place... Syria is Russia vs US. Ukraine is Russia vs US.. We are funding and arming opposing sides.. It's just through other people that we are fighting.. It cannot stay this way... This is for all the chips.. And I will support the USA in this game.

So I recommend no one riots.. Russia would be funding this... We would be the terrorists like ISIS...

Of course it gets even more interesting, if Russia and USA are in on this together..

World War 3.

a reply to: AnuTyr

Then that makes the Yellowstone theory a good one. Maybe they are preparing for a natural disaster in the north and everyone will have to move down south.

The 5 Walmarts were fully stocked with perishables so the sudden closure would be quite expensive in terms of stock going to waste. Layoff of all employees with no warning for the purpose of store closure might have resolved an otherwise expensive lawsuit involving Unions, wages, retirement plans or other personnel issues. Must be something in the store demographics that would provide some clues as to the need for speed.

Other retailers in those areas where the Walmarts have closed will profit temporarily and Walmart will have a favorable labor market to select fresh recruits when they reopen.

Five stores closing for the same reason and giving employees short notice is strange. There could be some wild conspiracy, or some simple explanation(Greed). Does anyone know if Walmart or their competion has opened a new store close by Within the last year?

a reply to: midlandghost

what do you mean there aren't any large buildings? The 2 wal marts in Midland aren't especially big. And you still have the target on Midland Dr, the Midland Park Mall, the Music City Mall, Grande Stadium, Ratliff Stadium, the Ector County Coliseum, The Horseshoe Arena, The Chap Center, Wagner-Noel, maybe a couple of those monstrous churches out on 191, MAF.....i could go on and on and on.

The theory that Wal Marts are being used as FEMA camps because they are the biggest buildings in MIdland is just ridiculous.

I spend a lot of money in Midland.....i know Midland.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan


The theory that Wal Marts are being used as FEMA camps because they are the biggest buildings in MIdland is just ridiculous.

"are" being used.. Yea that IS ridiculous..

the idea of having plans in place for relocation camps for political dissidents in a world war? Been there done that, and will do again. Secret Prisons around the world.. Been there done that will do again.

It's part of protecting the Homeland. There is a whole department devoted to it. Hahaha...

These particular Wal-Mart closings I feel have nothing to do with FEMA camps so I agree with you on that.

a reply to: KnightLight

If i were going to look for a place to put relocation camps in Midland, I would do The Horseshoe Arena, something at the Airport...one of the big hangars used by the oilfield supply companies....all out on I-20. And none of them require layoffs/WARN Act, and none of them would get anyones attention.

I can't imagine MPD or the SO would be able to keep a lid on anything like this.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
And none of them require layoffs/WARN Act, and none of them would get anyones attention.

Exactly..

Attention is on Purpose. Could be I mean.

If it's true what a member said that there is a Huge meeting taking place soon.. Well, maybe we find out then what's going down.


But a Logic stream of it's not FEMA camps so it IS plumbing, or It's not plumbing so it IS FEMA camps.. Please guys.. There are more possibilities than you have the time to think up. I know from being around Store closings and repair work of all kinds (including being around lots of construction)... Plumbing doesn't fit, but you cannot jump from there to anything else.. The timing matches with Jade helm, but that is a WEAK connection if that's all you have...

Something Fishy, just not sure what yet, lol. And don't take Fishy to mean Evil.. Just Fishy.. Something.

a reply to: KnightLight

Plumbing problems sounds dumb, too.

There could be any number of reasons Wal Mart doesn't give a real reason behind it. Maybe they were all built with a specific material, or with a specific design, that needs remediation? It would damage the brand to make suspect the safety of their stores.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: KnightLight

Plumbing problems sounds dumb, too.

There could be any number of reasons Wal Mart doesn't give a real reason behind it. Maybe they were all built with a specific material, or with a specific design, that needs remediation? It would damage the brand to make suspect the safety of their stores.

Wal-Mart is thought of as SUPER cheap... Being cheap on materials would come as no surprise and would not hurt the Brand.. That IS the brand..

"Plumbing problems sounds dumb, too."

And that sets me off because I know how people act. Pretend to be dumb.. People believe it ahh why are our leaders so dumb.. They are not.. They just aren't trying to do the same thing you think they are doing.

They could have come up with a better random answer, but rushing to close in 5 hours.. That's not what you do for shoddy building materials..

And if I were being forced into some complicity, I would pretend to be complicit while saying dumb things, that make people go huh, is that a lie?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: greencmpI disagree completely.

My question is how do you force businesses to stay in business?

You don't have to. If you as a business owner would rather close your business than see your 2 million income drop to 500k while your employees can go from 12k to 35k each that's perfectly ok. Instead of 500k you now get 0 and someone else will come along and start a business under those union terms.

Unions have been destructive when they've taken too much from a company, and that's the fault of the business owners for letting things get to that situation, but unions have been beneficial far more often than that.

Nothing in what you have said is wrong nor does it counter my assertion that closing a business is not union busting.

originally posted by: KnightLight
2 birds one stone.. Maybe even 5 birds one stone...

I'm sorry but you are not making any sense and you clearly don't understand the nature of business.

Closing down five stores will result in millions of $'s of lost revenue, wasted perishable stock, unemployment for hundreds of people, bad PR for the company, fears for those invested in it, instability for the brand, and all because of what? So the big bad government can do what?

No one seems to know, because no one can actually find any evidence for anything untoward happening other than a military training exercise which is completely unrelated to this company.

And no, they wouldn't "just announce" financial problems, and they haven't at any time before as far as I can see, even though the data clearly shows that they have been in financial difficulties several times in the past. A corporation like this doesn't announce things like that because it damages the brand and risks further decline.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: KnightLight

Plumbing problems sounds dumb, too.

There could be any number of reasons Wal Mart doesn't give a real reason behind it. Maybe they were all built with a specific material, or with a specific design, that needs remediation? It would damage the brand to make suspect the safety of their stores.

Indeed, it could be any number of logical and rational reasons, and every single one of them is more sensible and far more likely than this unfounded notion that it's in any way connected to a military training exercise.

a reply to: KnightLight

No, its what you do when you botch communication from the executives, and you have payroll deadline considerations, WARN Act considerations, etc.

In all actuality, having lived through some WARN Act stuff myself...you keep it top secret until you are pulling the trigger. You want your folks showing up to do their work until the last minute, and once yout ell them they are out for 6 months it isn't likely they will even finish a shift. When we did it at a call center, i disabled the employee phone logons (since we paid from their login data on the phone switch) overnight so that when they showed p in the morning they would be unable to log on (and thus unable to begin earning pay). They were instructed to go to a large room to meet, and were given the news that they were now unemployed, signed their paperwork, received their check, and were escorted to the exit. It was one of the worst days of my life.

Wal Mart isn't just some street hustler They have a legal department and a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. Secrecy is part and parcel to that.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

UPDATE: I was contacted by someone at UFCW, Making Change At Walmart. They point out that the Pico Rivera Walmart workers (that's the California Walmart that closed suddenly due to "plumbing issues") has been one of the core active OUR Walmart stores in the country. It is also the site of the first Walmart strikes, back in 2012.

www.dailykos.com...

And another tip-off as to what is really going on is that Walmart is saying all the laid off employees will have to REAPPLY if and when the stores reopen. In other words, one day you have a job, next day there are "plumbing problems" and you are basically fired. Good old Sam Walton American values and integrity.

Fire everyone and you're not in violation of the National Labor Relations Act. Then you have more flexibility in choosing who you are going to re-hire.

And, of course, all the articles about this rush to mention the whacked conspiracy theories such as the detention camps. Speculation about the possible union busting going on gets second billing if mentioned at all.

Once again, "conspiracy theorists" helping to make those who question the official narrative look like lunatics.

Wouldn`t it make more sense that this was done to make a little spending money for the Koch brothers? i don't understand what walmart and marshal law training have in common. But i understand laying off workers and closing a few stores for a couple months to keep some extra spending cash in walmart locations that arn't generating a profit. During the slump season, rich devious bastards like to lay off workers who are getting paid to much when cutting into profits. And others just simply close down their shops because they are not generating the numbers they want. So they can open up in different locations. Maybe the koch bros have their eyes set on a private island. Or need to save for an updated Jet since its 2015 and their 2014 model is going out of style.

Seems like the Koch brothersa are going for that new jet model then like i guessed.

Or maybe they need some extra dollars to update their secret headquarters underground in hopes of surviving the apocalypse.

But im betting on this being completely profit driven, as walmart has shown to have zero backbone in proper morality.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

I'm sorry but you are not making any sense and you clearly don't understand the nature of business.

You should be sorry. I am making sense.

And I do understand business, having worked in management in many areas... I've worked in retail, and I've seen how businesses handle even breaking out half the walls of a store.. They STAY OPEN..

Your own logic is why you are wrong. They would NOT want to lose the money coming in.. Profit margins are slight, and you just can't afford such things..

Ergo????

Either they are being forced.
Or they stand to make some Huge profit.
Or they agree with some other use for those buildings.
Or they are caught in some crazy legal thing or Tax thing, and they are avoiding it somehow.
Or
Or
Or...


I can just say from working retail and living around construction all my life...

It's not plumbing.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan


Wal Mart isn't just some street hustler They have a legal department and a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. Secrecy is part and parcel to that.

Sure of course... I get everything you have said, but.. You don't close for 6 months.. You are talking about actually closing.
This is being sold as plumbing which is a lie. And everywhere I have worked that was going to close due to being an under performing location.. We ALL knew about it. And people kept coming to their jobs.

This is different whatever the reason.

I think we will find out in time what it is.

If it's financial in nature, I wouldn't expect those stores to re-open.

originally posted by: juiellineau
1.-Since Jade Helm is a practice run at civil unrest and population control in urban areas could it be that Wal-Mart stores will be used to facilitate mock scenarios of runs on the stores when there is a collapse or major threat. Crisis actors could act as customers in the stores and be handled by the good guys. They could train on handling stores full of looters. I read Jade Helm was a practise of economic collapse and/or martial law type scenarios. What better place to run drills at than in real Wal-Marts?

i'd give you that a "real store", would be good for practice. yet there are many empty stores around that could be used. heck there are whole malls that are standing empty. some of these stores even still have all the fixtures (shelves, counters and such) in them. some even have merchandise. they could likely even do major damage to these empty places for the simple cost of tearing them down afterwards. i'm sure plenty of people could help them set up such places easily for such practice, they could probably even get set up teams from Wal-mart to help them (any money earned is a plus to Wal-mart, i could see them renting out a few of these teams). so really i don't see a need to use stores that have recently been in operation for it, seeing how there is a huge amount of these empty stores and malls across the US. from at least one story it would appear Wal-mart is emptying these stores of merchandise. which would leave these stores in the same condition as other stores (including Wal-marts) that have been abandoned. so why would they not use abandoned stores? it would certainly be cheaper than paying Wal-mart to use these stores they have closed down, where you can be sure Walmart would be charging them for lost sales while these stores are closed.

2.-The gov. does NOT want the public to know how bad the economy really is and the closure of any Wal-Mart is a sure indicator of the economy. They could well have been told to come up with a story to announce your closing and make sure its anything but financial. -(This is doubtful because of the planned re-opening after 6 months)

the closing of Wal-marts is not an indicator of the economy. Wal-mart is well known for going into areas, killing all competition, then when they have taken every penny they can, shutting down the store and leaving. Wal-mart will close any store that becomes unprofitable to them. i don't see them caring about making up a story to cover up that a store was closing because it was not profitable, they would loudly proclaim that is why it was closing. and by the sounds of it at least some of these locations were profitable.

3.-All these stores are connected in a sinister way at the management level and are too hot to allow any dots being connected and the plug is being pulled on a conspiracy so huge nobody at ATS can figure it out.

nothing sinister about them being connected at management level. every store is owned and operated from home office Bentonville. even stores in other countries are ordered about by home office Bentonville management. even though they have their own home offices, US management goes around to stores in other countries and gives direct orders that have to be obeyed. no doubt the orders to shut these stores down came for Bentonville, as well as the rather questionable reason it is because of plumbing reasoning for it. that is just the way it works.

I don't think they will be using the stores as FEMA camps
because those camps already exist. Maybe they will use
them for hospitals during the drills or like someone else
pointed out using them for acts of when TSHF & people
rushing in to take everything they need to survive &
its chaos. ???
I wonder if any of the supposed FEMA camps are located
near any of the stores that are closing?

No way on the plumbing...

Cheers
Ektar