Take YOUR Kid Out of School Without Permission? Court Will Take Your Furniture...or Jail Term.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Annee

A blog is the best you can do?

A blog created for and by a now adult, former home schooled kid.

Some how I think she has credibility in her opinions.

Why do you want to discredit this person?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Annee

A blog is the best you can do?

A blog created for and by a now adult, former home schooled kid.

Some how I think she has credibility in her opinions.

Why do you want to discredit this person?

You know this how? Because they said so online? There are tons of home schooled kids with positive experiences. Tons. Why do you want to ignore all of them, and believe a blog by one, instead, when you can't even prove who that person is? Do you believe anything and everything people claim online???

originally posted by: Annee
I'm not defending anything. That is your own interpretation.

I'm simply pointing out "what is".

As I said, state your position, then, and clear the air. You attack home schooling, you call children "markers" for payment, and you refuse to state a firm position. Say if you think "what is" is right or wrong. Don't keep dodging the question. It's just one question.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee
I'm not defending anything. That is your own interpretation.

I'm simply pointing out "what is".

As I said, state your position, then, and clear the air. You attack home schooling, you call children "markers" for payment, and you refuse to state a firm position. Say if you think "what is" is right or wrong. Don't keep dodging the question. It's just one question.

This is about an event that happened.

I stated why a parent is financially responsible if a child misses school (public/government).

You are making this personal.

a reply to: Annee

So is a school held financially responsible for the many failed educations of school children across the nation?

A parent is not financially responsible if a child misses school.

I think the government is stealing from me to support schools that I don't have a child in. Further, I don't even have children, why should I have to pay taxes to fund schools. The government is stealing from me.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: Annee

So is a school held financially responsible for the many failed educations of school children across the nation?

Take it off topic with someone else.

I stated how the system works. Fact - not opinion.

a reply to: Annee

Off topic? If a parent is stealing from the schools from taking their child out of school. Then the schools are stealing from children after dishing out failed educations.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee
I'm not defending anything. That is your own interpretation.

I'm simply pointing out "what is".

As I said, state your position, then, and clear the air. You attack home schooling, you call children "markers" for payment, and you refuse to state a firm position. Say if you think "what is" is right or wrong. Don't keep dodging the question. It's just one question.

This is about an event that happened.

I stated why a parent is financially responsible if a child misses school (public/government).

You are making this personal.

No, this is about governments deciding thay they havemore rights when it comes to children than do the parents. You have claimed that people are "stealing" if they keep a child out of school, and you condemn home schooling, all the while stating that you aren't defending the government position. I asked you to state your position clearly, since you are avoiding doing so, and you refuse. That isn't "personal"; it's part of a debate. If you refuse to even state your position, you cannot debate the topic.

So, speak up, or stand down.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I stated fact. I responded to some posts.

You have made this personal. I am NOT going there.

Not interested.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee
I'm not defending anything. That is your own interpretation.

I'm simply pointing out "what is".

As I said, state your position, then, and clear the air. You attack home schooling, you call children "markers" for payment, and you refuse to state a firm position. Say if you think "what is" is right or wrong. Don't keep dodging the question. It's just one question.

This is about an event that happened.

I stated why a parent is financially responsible if a child misses school (public/government).

You are making this personal.

No, this is about governments deciding thay they havemore rights when it comes to children than do the parents. You have claimed that people are "stealing" if they keep a child out of school, and you condemn home schooling, all the while stating that you aren't defending the government position. I asked you to state your position clearly, since you are avoiding doing so, and you refuse. That isn't "personal"; it's part of a debate. If you refuse to even state your position, you cannot debate the topic.

So, speak up, or stand down.

Forget about common sense or right and wrong.

The School System's actions are completely overboard and nothing more than exercising their spurious authority. Although, I think the more disgusting part is that there are actually people that support this debacle of justice. Not only support it, but label an absence as "stealing", thereby labeling the parents as "thieves". When in reality it is their money in the system, money that never left the system. Money that the School wants, whether the Student is there or not. Now that's Stealing! LOL

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Xtrozero

Wow, you must really have accepted your slave status. I never will.

But... You already have. Your children are yours. There should not exist a reason to lie about where you are taking them, when you are bringing them back, or why. The very fact that you have to lie shows that you have accepted the same slave status the rest of us have... that you can face consequences for raising your child the way you see fit.

If none of us had accepted slave status, then none of us would have to answer to anyone about how we are raising our children. The government did not birth them so should have no claim whatsoever on them. Instead we all went along to get along and here we are. All a slave to something whether we like it or not.

a reply to: Elliot

Thanks for the reply and information. Good to know that path is still available. Seems UK citizens are being dumbed down much like here in the US then? It's very obvious that the UK Government wants to assert itself in every aspect of the citizens life. It really breaks my heart. I have always loved the UK like my own Nation. I just have seen so much insanity occurring over there and the stuff my friends who live there tell me sometimes just blows my mind.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I stated fact. I responded to some posts.

You have made this personal. I am NOT going there.

Not interested.

Annee,

I have left ATS for various reasons but still lurk to keep up with what's happening and most of all with what many of my friends are up to.

And to my surprise...

I can't believe you are still hammering away at this. You have been proven wrong in so many ways that there is nothing left for me to get behind that hasn't already been covered in absolute, irrefutable detail.

It's quite clear that you are in no way, shape or form ready to question, challenge your leaders (term used loosely) as you honestly believe that they have your best interests at heart. It's an easy way to live and even easier way to survive. Don't challenge or question but rather support whatever you're fed as truth and you will be ok. I get it. WE get it.

But I can also see that you have lost the battle many posts ago and yet refuse to accept that it's time to question your loyalty. And quite honestly it should never have been a battle as it was never intended to be at the beginning. I can state that emphatically because it's my thread.

I had no intentions of popping back in to post but your refusal to even attempt another way of thinking has brought me to it. See? I keep up.

So, to sum it up...You can follow whatever/whomever you desire. Others will always have the same freedom to question those same leaders (again, term used loosely).

There are 2 types of people in this World...Those that follow without question and those that ask "Where are we going?" In this thread you are clearly being asked by many..."Why are you following without questioning?"

Please answer this for all who are asking. Otherwise, it's a circular argument.

Jude11

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I stated fact. I responded to some posts.

You have made this personal. I am NOT going there.

Not interested.

Annee,

I have left ATS for various reasons but still lurk to keep up with what's happening and most of all with what many of my friends are up to.

And to my surprise...

I can't believe you are still hammering away at this. You have been proven wrong in so many ways that there is nothing left for me to get behind that hasn't already been covered in absolute, irrefutable detail.

It's quite clear that you are in no way, shape or form ready to question, challenge your leaders (term used loosely) as you honestly believe that they have your best interests at heart. It's an easy way to live and even easier way to survive. Don't challenge or question but rather support whatever you're fed as truth and you will be ok. I get it. WE get it.

But I can also see that you have lost the battle many posts ago and yet refuse to accept that it's time to question your loyalty. And quite honestly it should never have been a battle as it was never intended to be at the beginning. I can state that emphatically because it's my thread.

I had no intentions of popping back in to post but your refusal to even attempt another way of thinking has brought me to it. See? I keep up.

So, to sum it up...You can follow whatever/whomever you desire. Others will always have the same freedom to question those same leaders (again, term used loosely).

There are 2 types of people in this World...Those that follow without question and those that ask "Where are we going?" In this thread you are clearly being asked by many..."Why are you following without questioning?"

Please answer this for all who are asking. Otherwise, it's a circular argument.

Jude11

Hello

I stated how the system works where I am. Other posters have backed me up. You don't want to believe it, then don't.

Good by

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I stated fact. I responded to some posts.

You have made this personal. I am NOT going there.

Not interested.

No, you stated that children are "markers" for some debt you claim parents need to insure the schools are paid. You stated that parents are stealing from the government if they don't send their children to the schools. You claimed repeatedly t hat you were not defending the schools and government, but refuse to state your personal opinions on how things are. In a debate thread, if you refuse to state an opinion, you cannot properly debate. Asking your position on the topic isn't making anything "personal"; it's trying to understand where you stand on the thread topic. This is pretty basic, and you have stated opinions in other threads. Why the reluctance on this one?

originally posted by: ArcticLights
Forget about common sense or right and wrong.

The School System's actions are completely overboard and nothing more than exercising their spurious authority. Although, I think the more disgusting part is that there are actually people that support this debacle of justice. Not only support it, but label an absence as "stealing", thereby labeling the parents as "thieves". When in reality it is their money in the system, money that never left the system. Money that the School wants, whether the Student is there or not. Now that's Stealing! LOL

Exactly! The money comes fro the parents, and many others, and the government isn't giving any of it back. It is indeed about their supposed authority. I can't believe anyone would defend their actions. Well, maybe someone in the system, who sees righteous protest as a threat to their power and livelihood! It's telling that, when pressed for a firm position, all I get is dodged on the question!!

Ah, if this as the only way the government stole from the people......

I went to a few different styles of middle school. Blazer and tie prep school; Bohemian, Catholic(!), inner-city and BEST of all one of the Quaker's "Friends" schools. That place was great. "competition" took the form of competing in academics, but without pressure. It was ok to excel at subjects you like. Other students coached you on the other subjects, and you did the same in return. Again, a great place to grow up. I wish my life was less haphazard, because ultimately support from home is what it takes to be a consistent student. Unfortunately, I had the combo of LESS home support and public school conformist doctrine against me later in HS.

ftr- I did most of my learning by compulsive reading of encyclopedia. I knew more than my teachers from 8th grade onward. Dropped-out of public Nazi HS where petty bourgeois namesakes and football players were treated specially. Academics took the form of memorization, conformity, playing teacher's pet. I could be issued a D or C- for my classwork, but score over 95% on final exams. All the while embroiled with personality issues with teachers in admins. I was even assaulted by male teachers, twice.

I ended up finishing at University of Pennsylvania after starting w/a GED, not bad. I had a rather competitive HS class, relatively successful too. They've accepted me as an equal now. I don't let that hold me back though.

I spent last night reading this thread. But I would like to state the following.


www.legislation.gov.uk...

edyourself.org... This is an article regarding homeschooling and how to go about it

Those are for Essex, UK and many other local areas.

This school in not in the US. I don't know if the schools there are penalized by loss of tax dollars when a child isn't in school. There is however a legislative act which clearly discusses the fact that a child must receive full time schooling. I have to wonder at the integrity of the parents removing their child from school for a holiday in Spain at the time they did. Do they not have a vacation period for such travel plans? That being said, we can all agree we have the right to do what we will whenever we choose......at least here in the US. Because here in the US, we DON'T have this legislation enacted. And let us ALL be warned, we should never let anything like this ever pass here if we want to avoid these situations. It's unfortunate that the families in the UK are so negatively affected by legislature that was initially enacted for the benefit of the children to receive a good education. I think we can all agree that the law was never intended to evolve into this 1984 draconian situation that it has become. Please quit dumping on Annie.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread because my health makes it so that I have to choose my battles wisely. however.. I feel I should share this.
Back in the 90's we (my ex-husband and I) decided to take our two young sons to Fl. for a couple weeks and this was in April. I had to get permission from their head (homeroom) teachers and principle. It was permitted they be allowed to go as long as they did homework and that the work they did come back to school with them on their return. They were given 'reports' to do that explained all they did and what they saw.

The boys were young, so I thought it would be fun to utilize their newly acquired and not much used skim boards as a way to do this, by taping pictures with captions beside each photo. It was fun for them, and they were happy to show off their boards.

But, as far as money and schools go, I warn all parents to never allow your child to be given an IQ test at school. My youngest was given an IQ test in kindergarten, but he was given a first grade test (a full year ahead of his class). The school justified this by saying that he could have been in 1st grade. It's true that he could have been, but he wasn't because I kept him in preschool an extra year, as I felt that he wasn't ready for school at that time.

I did give permission for tests by the school psychologist, and I knew that an IQ test was included, but not that the test would be a full year ahead academically, and at that age it was huge, as he was just learning to read. His test was a written test, and he could not read much yet. I was still married to their dad at that time, so we took him to two specialists to which there was a different outcome. It was to late for my son, who was labeled MMR (moderately mentally retarded). Even with the Drs who specialized in these situations, and all of the medical records, all that we could do was to sign a disagreement form with the school..we could NOT have the label removed from his school records unless we took the school district to court. My husband and I were in the midst of a divorce by this time and I didn't even try to take on the school alone.

It was a little later (months) that I learned of the schools self interest in this form of testing, and it boiled down to money, The school got up to 5000. for each child with learning disabilities.

Schools, and teachers, don't always have our childrens best interests at heart. We parents always need to have our childs back, and take up the fight for them, because children have no voice in the real world.

Wow this thread is still going on??
...stop bitching and homeschool in the UK if it makes you cry that state schools have atendance rules. Homeschooling is legal still in the UK.
Nobody forces you to send your kids to state school in the UK. You make the choice to enrol your child in a state school as a parent.
Blame yourself as a parent if you live in the UK.
...bitchin is lame when the thing you bitch about is a free choice about entering into a contract or not.