YES US TROOPS were hit by SARIN in GF1

So much bitching going on.

I mean, it takes money to properly dispose of that stuff, so it's better to just have some dumb grunts go blow it all up instead and increase the profits of the sharp suited boardroom boys back home, it's the patriotic thing to do after all.. It's not like they are worth anything and they can be stiffed later if they get ill.

Doesn't "serving your country" just make you all so proud? Here, have a little "Made in China" flag to wave at the next corporate sponsored war celebration event and STFU.

I honestly have to wonder at the mentality of anyone who still thinks it's a great idea to go fight for these corporate and banking idiots, who don't give a damn about those they send overseas to fight, die and get maimed for life. It sure isn't anything to be proud of and the reason I got out.

Flash Back .......Agent Orange .....

originally posted by: beezzer
I'd like to know what is causing all the auto-immune issues with vets..

Seriously. I wasn't in the gulf but I got tons and tons of vaccinations during basic and through the years I was in the army. I really think my autoimmune may have to do with that. Heck, I still remember the vaccination for the plague on top of all the others. I got a black plague pox on my arm and so did everyone else. All those shots cramped together so fast had to mess things up, IMHO. And now they all get anthrax shots as well. YIKES.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I happen to be one of them ..www.newsweek.com...

NOT that the VA will EVER admit it.

I am assuming you attempted to navigate the VA claims process nightmare. Since you had your records, were you able to get anything from the VA?

I went in about a year after the first gulf war. I ended up in a Patriot Missile unit that had deployed during the Gulf War, and about 2/3 of the people there had been there. This one guy, who was an 11B corporal that did security the unit, had been in another unit before he came to ours, a unit that had actually been involved in the ground invasion. The got a good dose of the oil well fire smoke, on top of everything else. A couple months after I got there, he developed non-specific hepatitis (it wasn't viral or alcohol induced), early stage kidney disease, and bad psoriasis. He was only about 23 years old, in great shape, non-smoker, light drinker. He ended up getting a medical discharge. He was not the only one. People came and went, but through the grapevine, you hear about them. Some people got out normal, but developed problems after. Others stayed in, developed problems later on, and ended up having to get out.

You mentioned memory problems. There was another guy who came later who had been over there, and he had started developing symptoms not long before he came to our unit. To best describe him: it was like watching a senile penguin on Thorazine and Prozac wandering around aimlessly, mumbling to himself. From what I heard, at his prior unit, he had been an E-6 and in charge of the motor pool, pretty solid until a couple years later. Then his memory and cognition seemed to slip, he ended up forgetting to show up for formation a few times, started writing bad checks, and screwing up in his work the most simple, basic things. Long story short, he was eventually kicked out because he screwed up so much. Naturally, no one bothered to have him checked for neurological or other problems.

Sarin was one of many hazards you were likely exposed to. You also had the oil well fires, and heavy toxic pollution in the water due to the Saudis being shameless polluting heathens with no concept of environmental safety. Plus the burn pits, DP, the anti-nerve gas pills, and a plethora of unknown possible agents. The VA has been dragging their feet in acknowledging the hazards, but they have, at least, recognized some and are starting to give out compensation accordingly. I'd hang in there, and get yourself a good veterans advocate from an agency outside the VA to help you with the claims process and filing. The VA has had the pressure turned up on them recently, and a lot of claims they denied before are now being granted. You deserve it, given that your earning and living capabilities have been reduced as a result of your service.

a reply to: SLAYER69

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Later in 1991, UNSCOM (the United Nations Special Commission) found nerve gas in the remains of rockets the U.S. blew up in Khamisiyah and told the Pentagon. In November, although the Joint Chiefs briefed the CIA, other intelligence agencies and the White House, no action was taken. (Six years later, the DOD declassified the UNSCOM memo, posting it on its Gulflink website. Seven months after that, the CIA had it removed—claiming it revealed too much about methods it used to gather intelligence.)

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Slayer, if it surprised you I'd be worried.

I am getting so jaded lately that not only does it not surprise me, it doesn't even phase me one little bit.

Jude11

a reply to: FlyersFan

Always wondered if it had anything to do with the anthrax vaccinations.

I was with XVIII Abn when we went across. We went through one place where chemical markers were placed out by the MSR...we came in from the desert.
Bottom line is I had huge skin cancers (silver dollar size and 1/2 inch thick). The VA in Tucson took excellent care of me and it was done over two surgeries. Most of the scars are all but invisible.
But the real story is, a year or so later I was sent a letter asking me to participate in a Gulf War test. I volunteered. A few week afterward I received a letter from VA saying I was not eligible to participate in the Gulf War test as I had previously broken my nose!
Other than this one example the VA has given me excellent service...

Hey Charleyv, That's because the Neo Cons who got us into these wars are not American Patriots, they are scum who don't give a #**! about Americans. They are just Minions of The Greed Meisters. I Star everyone who is Pro Vet and Pro American, hopefully there'll come a day when these snakes are tossed in the pit where they belong. Good Post Arjunanda a reply to: charlyv

a reply to: daveinats

1/7 CAV was YOUR zone recon when 1st Cav pulled out I was the 3rd track in.
VA won't pay for any of that at all I just got DENIED again.

a reply to: Dimithae

I tend to think the majority of American 'patriots' don't know what it means to be a patriot.

Patriots aren't flag waving idiots, they aren't dumb sheep who do as they are told, when they are told and however they're told by their Government.

A patriot is someone who puts his or her country, and the people of his or her country before the interests of anyone or anything else, including Government personnel.

A patriot never stops questioning officialdom, never stops paying attention to laws that trash the Constitution or those Politicians who dishonour their oath of office.

Someone who loves their country and countrymen, who will root out those who profess to serve the people, but love to only serve themselves and not the people. They will root out corruption between politics and private industry and corporate interests and shout about that corruption from the rooftops.

Those who parrot the official line, never question Government, don't consider the constitution transgressions as being important, most certainly are NOT patriots...and most Patriots fall into the latter category rather than the former...which is exactly why Americans have all but lost America today to the corporations and corrupt politicians who serve them instead of the people.

Makes me wonder why so many folk are so grateful for people who serve their country.
"Thank you for your service" and all the rest of it, grateful that they decided to be lab-rats for a government that screwed them over...does it indicate that the people who are so grateful are also supportive of the way their government treats it's troops? Looks that way to me.
I left the Royal Navy Reserve when the 1st Gulf war started, I knew it was over bull# reasons and the UK was not facing any threat aside from rising oil prices, so I wanted nothing to do with it.
Others make their own choices, and a nation can do no harm when it's populace do not volunteer to do the harm in the first place.
Unlucky Cav, but you made your own choices, just a pity you trusted your government while making them.

a reply to: MysterX

Thank you. Someone with common sense. It is like I told my sister,if your country is corrupt and war mongers all the time,the flag is merely a symbol of that.It doesn't matter if you can rattle off the Pledge of Allegiance or not.They are just words to you,the feeling,the idea,the purpose is nothing. If your going to rattle off patriotic ideologies,then truly support them.Make them count.Believe in them and understand what you are saying.If you see any part of government doing anything to go against those ideas,step up and step out. Let them know they can't do that.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I just FAILED college as a result of having memory issue so I do get very well,I also knew DU rounds weren't needed against the export T72s ,when BRADLEY tugsten rounds went RIGHT through.

And the politicians that started that war live like kings

originally posted by: Dimithae
If you see any part of government doing anything to go against those ideas,step up and step out. Let them know they can't do that.

Yeah I stepped out, maybe easier as a reserve and not so easy as a regular but it is always a choice.
Heck if push came to shove the troops will fire on civvies if they are ordered to (certainly in the UK) just look at Northern Irelands history. Yeah...thanks for your service, not.

a reply to: grainofsand

The problem is, once they start firing on the civvies, it will become easy to do and they won't stop until the streets are running red.

It'd be absolute carnage. The irony is though, that afterwards the shock will set in and the guilt will begin to fester...then, ultimately i suspect that the guns will be turned inwards and those that ordered the massacre will taste the bitter pill of their treason against the people.

a reply to: Dimithae

Thanks Dimithae.

Nice of you to say.

a reply to: MysterX
Perhaps it is a different kettle of fish in the US and maybe times have changed but 43 years ago in Northern Ireland 26 unarmed civilians were shot dead by soldiers following orders.
The US National Guard were quickly called into Ferguson US last year and I assume were ready to shoot civvies if they were ordered to.
The US is just as potentially suppressed by their volunteer forces personnel as we are in the UK.
...thanks for your service...yeah right, thanks for following whatever order any government issues.

a reply to: grainofsand

I have nothing but pride and honor for those who have served their countries. They don't make policies,nor do they get a say in how things get worked out on a world stage. They are the ones that go in,do as they are told,uphold the tenets of their countries,and lay their lives down to protect others. Bless everyone of them for doing what others would not want to do. My issue is with those that give the orders.Right on up the chain of command.They know what they do,and why they do it. Curse everyone of them for their corruption.

a reply to: crazyewok

The Client state of Rothchilds is doing FINE trying to undo America by dividing our allies from us and formenting a police stae after producing a strong generation of new HIPPIES .

Not really working at all, we still own most of the guns on the continent.They thought it would be easy to illegalize everything and kill us on the battlefield or after.
I ain't dead yet...mate.

a reply to: grainofsand

NOTICE how the BUNDY incident was stopped after hundreds massed ,THEY didn't think we would actually DO that.
NOW they are pushing the PASFISTS and the millenials to make us feel BAD about being warriors.
It IS TO laugh...