Guide to the FLAT EARTH

originally posted by: NONPOINT21
a reply to: Krazysh0t

This is by far the most asinine claim of all time. You obviously have no idea of how the human eye works...there are plenty of other arguments to use to say hey the earth isn't flat, but this one is comical at best.

Oh really? You are saying that you can't see the curvature of the earth over the horizon and that your eyes also can't see stars many light years away? Good to know. I'm glad a random guy on the internet without any sources backing him up is able to tell me how things work. Oh and in case you can't tell: /sarc

PS: You obviously have never heard of the term "line of sight".

What if... the earth is flat, but through the bending of space-time, the 4th dimension, it aggregates as a sphere?

Everyone wins. or loses idk.

Byrd said there was another continent in the south, and the flight path evidence is very compelling. Maybe instead of being flat, the earth is bigger than we think and there is land hidden somewhere in the south for who knows what reason? Like the Nazis or aliens live there or something.

a reply to: TheDon

You are exactly right. No absolute proof exists on either side of this question. However many questions on the side of the flat earthers have come to the fore recently that the NASA side is finding difficult to answer. They resort to ridicule, when lacking answers and have in the past been successful thwarting further discussion. One can assume that such action could indicate panic on their part. A reasonable approach is to do further research without resorting to ridicule.

a reply to: romanmel

There isn't really a "NASA side", as in NASA aren't the only agency saying the Earth is round. NASA is just one of countless organisations who accept that it is and conduct their affairs accordingly.

They come up a lot in this discussion as being a space agency means that the Earth would have to be round for them to do what they do, but they are not the only space agency either.

Seriously though, anyone who has seen the night sky from different points on Earth can prove to themselves that it is round. Or anyone who knows how the seasons work. Or they day / night cycle. Or timezones.

a reply to: TheDon

Our Earth is not flat its a oblate spheroid, and that's a fact!

a reply to: CB328

it would be prudent to actually cite what byrd said - not what was attributed to him

a reply to: romanmel

there is overwhelming evidence for the " spheriod " side there is no " NASA side "

NASA is a latecomer who have only parital contributions to the oblate spheriod model

there are numerous experiments that show conclusvly that the earth is a speheroid

when flat earthers refuse to actually do science and instead make up increasingly bizarre special pleadings - each one contradicting an earlier observation

ridicule is all that remains

a reply to: romanmel

A reasonable approach is to do further research without resorting to ridicule.

With it nearly being a year ago since I started this thread, that is exactly what I have been doing, further research.

I am nearly up to 2000 hours, of research and experiments looking into the flat earth claim.

Once one can break away from the programming and brain washing, and yes that is what has happened and is happening in our society, one can finally see the scale of the deception.

Are we living on a flat plan? is the earth flat, that is something i was unable to prove 100% personally, but in my mind is still a very strong theory.

One thing I do now know 100% due to my own research and experiments, we do not live on a globe with a circumference of 40,070 kilometers at the equator which is taught and widely believed by many, and this is fact and actually very easy to prove to oneself by doing a few experiments, which don't need to cost a lot.

The biggest challenge for most is actually to break though the programming and what you have been taught as fact and actually get of your ass and go and find out for yourself, and not rely on others to tell you what is true.

This is just one of many experiments one can do, there are many other experiments, and research avenues one can look into were by you can also prove to yourself many things regarding were we live and what we have been told are lies, for example, the sun, is not 149,600,000 km away from us neither is the moon 384,403 km away, provable by doing your own experiments.

I encourage all that have questions, is to go and do your own research, and not listen to the keyboard experts, then you truly will start to see the truth.

I am going to leave it at that, and I wish all that want to open there eyes good luck.

Peace.

a reply to: TheDon

citations required for all claims

a reply to: ignorant_ape
You know your in skunk works right?
Here is a LINK if you need a refresher regarding the description of the forum.

I suggest you do your own research, like I have done, then you will have your own citations, and then it won't matter what others tell, teach, betray as facts.

a reply to: TheDon

you claim that there are " simple experiments " that demonstrate the veracity of your flat earth claims

so detail them

" do your own reserarch " is simply a silly cop out to avoid answering questions

originally posted by: TheDon
I encourage all that have questions, is to go and do your own research, and not listen to the keyboard experts, then you truly will start to see the truth.

I too would like to know about the simple experiments you have made.

I am firmly in the "globe" camp, and will try to explain why using observations which don't rely on any government or space agency.

1, Look at the night sky from different latitudes. The way how stars appear to spin around the pole star in the northern hemisphere, and the other way around a fixed point in the southern, while appearing to rise and set near the equator gives away that we are on a a spinning globe.

2, The way how the pole star seems to get closer and closer to the horizon as you go south gives away the globe shape.

3, Lunar eclipses. These events have the moon and sun on opposite sides of the earth such that the moon lies in the shadow of the earth. On a flat earth where we all live on one side of the disc such events would not be observable if they ever occurred at all. (does the moon go "below" us in FE?)

4, The "Volvo Ocean Boat Race" is competed in by many people every year. If you plot the route on a globe then the times the competitors achieve are in line with expectations given the distances travelled. On an FE map there would be huge discrepancies in the expected times and the real times due to the distances being all off.

Now some queries I have about the FE theory:

1, Why would the ice pile up at the center? On the globe we know why the polar regions are cold but why shouldn't the "hub" of the disc be the same temperature as anywhere else? Especially if the same small sun that heats everywhere else just fine shines down on it 24 hours a day during the Arctic Circles' "midnight sun" period of the year.

2, How does Australia have longer summer days than nights? The FE model shows how the countries we think of as "northern hemisphere" can have this but not the southern. On a similar note, how does Antarctica have a midnight Sun? (I accept that fewer people can go to Antarctica and check, unlike the Arctic Circle).

These observations and questions are meant in genuine discussion and inquiry. I'm not interested in ridiculing anyones worldview.

as the flat earthers wont publish thier " research "

thread

is a comprehensive take down of the flat earth idiocy

originally posted by: Variable
a reply to: TheDon

Now I am not saying the earth is flat, but what I will say is that the PTB, have lied so many times it is very hard to know what is true and what is not.

You created the thread because you think it may be true. I really wish people would get some modicum of education outside YouTube. In fact, i think YouTube should be banned from proof of anything. It is the same as saying some guy posted something on his blog is proof of this or that. I won't even point out the obviousness, it just makes me sad inside that some of us still believe "TPTB mystical force" is so powerful. There are no words.

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Although the OP has been nothing but pleasant and professional in their posts
what you said above is exactly why the Flat Earth Theory exists. It's a PSY OPS
to bring the ridiculous no matter how well packaged to the forefront.

It's to discredit everything that has ever appeared on You Tube.
IMO the hopes of 9/11 being pushed aside as You Tube drivel.
Saturate the conspiracy world w Flat Earthers just to be able to say,
" WTC7 ? Oh yeah and I'm sure you believe the Earth is flat too !"
Works like a charm. Except that the 9/11 cover up has ZERO to do with it.
Guilt by association.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

YouTube is just a medium, I would like to contribute a youtube video that might answer some questions or possibly raise more questions.




youtu.be...

I think the pilots would have said something by now

a reply to: TheDon

Interesting stuff, you know i have this tall pine tree outside my house, and one of the stars near the Orion's belt, has touched the peek if the tree for the last decade. Where's that 490 thousand miles an hour movement, i have never seen it, constellations have remained the same for as far back as recorded history,Interesting indeed.

Searching this topic, wow, a lot to read. Found out there used to be schools that taught flat earth, trippy.

originally posted by: SerpentMoon87
a reply to: TheDon

Interesting stuff, you know i have this tall pine tree outside my house, and one of the stars near the Orion's belt, has touched the peek if the tree for the last decade. Where's that 490 thousand miles an hour movement, i have never seen it, constellations have remained the same for as far back as recorded history,Interesting indeed.

Alnitak, the closest star in Orion's belt, is about 740 light years away (simbad.u-strasbg.fr... ). Let's assume the lateral velocity of our solar system to Alnitak is "490 thousand miles an hour," your number. 740 light years is 4.35*10^15 miles. That's 4,350,000,000,000,000 miles! Let's assume that your technique for measuring the position of the stars is accurate to the limit of 20/20 vision (it's not, it's an exceptionally bad technique and a terrible anecdote - if taken at face value we're actually to conclude that the stars of Orion's belt are moving at the same rate as your tree is growing, and we are to simply accept your naked eye observations at face value and assume you have perfectly positioned yourself for repeated observations over a decade of time), so you would start to notice the star being displaced once it had moved at least one minute of arc from where it had been when you started watching. A decade of observations, given a speed of "490 thousand miles an hour" equates to a distance of 42,953,400,000 miles Using simple trigonometry we find that it would only be displaced about 0.033945 arcminutes from its previous position over a decade of time, orders of magnitude too small for you to see by eye, even if your measurement technique were so perfect that it matched the limit of 20/20 vision. In fact you would have to live for almost 300 years to even have a chance to detect even the slightest bit of motion by eye from the time you first started observing three centuries earlier, to the time you finished your observations three centuries later.

Telescopically, however, we can get much better measurements at much higher resolutions, and yes, it is possible to perceive the motions of the closer stars in a telescope over just a decade of time. This is particularly true for the closest and fastest moving stars, such as this time lapse of Barnard's star over just 9 years of time:
www.universetoday.com...

a reply to: ngchunter

She's a mature pine, not growing for the last 2 decades.

Doesn't excuse people seeing the same constellations for as far back as we can see. Also, those distances and equations are based on equations upon equations, doesn't make it true.

People put so much time and effort on things that have nothing to do with their lives, doesn't make it easier or less complicate, in fact the opposite. All this space exploration and telling people how the world was formed and made and blah blah blah blah, it's all science fiction.

It's just people distracting humanity from life, and family and from earth. Honestly, these ''scientists''are taking our money to do the most irrelevant things when it comes down to paying attention to the one thing that allows all of us to be here, it's crazy.