Guide to the FLAT EARTH

originally posted by: clarktron
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sure which claim? Loran - C or the Suez canal?

All of them. You haven't sourced a single one of your claims yet. Make sure it's from a non-biased site too. Not some random blog.

a reply to: clarktron

I always question authority, perhaps a little to far.

I tend to question everything. I try to use skepticism as a filter to keep out the garbage.

I still cant deny all of the anomalies presented by the FE model.

You don't have to do it alone. That is one of the good things about this site.

Regarding Kansas being flat, I do believe that flatness is relative to elevation. Elevation is relative to sea level, which is curved. Kansas may be 'flat', but if a surveyor could use one line of sight from one end of the state to the other, they would see that the 'flatness' is not in a straight line. A FE believer should be able to use some kind of telescope and a couple of those elevation poles to prove me wrong, If I am.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: clarktron
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sure which claim? Loran - C or the Suez canal?

All of them. You haven't sourced a single one of your claims yet. Make sure it's from a non-biased site too. Not some random blog.

Loran - C

eLoran to take over for Loran - C

Still not using GPS, just saying.

a reply to: clarktron

What happened to sourcing the Suez Canal claim? Your Loran - C claim is just speculation. It's not proof of a flat earth by any means. Even your source isn't proof of a flat earth. It's just the termination account.

No Satellites, aircraft yes. GPS is a hoax. US and British Military supposedly stopped using Loran - C in 2010. Why would the worlds elite military use archaic tech until just 2010? Radio Frequency. Show me a picture of a satellite in space

Probably because it worked good enough for them that they didn't need to upgrade. By the way, lol at your remark about GPS being a hoax. GPS has all but been confirmed to work. I used GPS last week to find a place I was driving to. So I can personally attest to it not being a hoax.

I want to see where you got the claim that the Suez Canal was built without taking into account the curvature of the earth.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: clarktron

What happened to sourcing the Suez Canal claim? Your Loran - C claim is just speculation. It's not proof of a flat earth by any means. Even your source isn't proof of a flat earth. It's just the termination account.

No Satellites, aircraft yes. GPS is a hoax. US and British Military supposedly stopped using Loran - C in 2010. Why would the worlds elite military use archaic tech until just 2010? Radio Frequency. Show me a picture of a satellite in space

Probably because it worked good enough for them that they didn't need to upgrade. By the way, lol at your remark about GPS being a hoax. GPS has all but been confirmed to work. I used GPS last week to find a place I was driving to. So I can personally attest to it not being a hoax.

GPS works just like your stereo in your car man. Its Radio signals brohemian.

I want to see where you got the claim that the Suez Canal was built without taking into account the curvature of the earth.

Suez Canal

That doesn't really follow your set curriculum, it is a biased site.

a reply to: clarktron

the maths of that site is hopelessy flawed - can you spot the error[s] ?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Probably because it worked good enough for them that they didn't need to upgrade. By the way, lol at your remark about GPS being a hoax. GPS has all but been confirmed to work. I used GPS last week to find a place I was driving to. So I can personally attest to it not being a hoax.

So the worlds top military didn't need to upgrade. Seriously? What a conundrum, military has the most advanced tech around for sure.

Your "GPS" works just like your car stereo, radio signals.

a reply to: clarktron

can you explain how my garmin works ?

EDIT TO ADD :

a reply to: clarktron

radio signals from WHERE ?

a reply to: clarktron

Then sorry, the source is no good. You might as well have just typed out that site's information yourself. It would just as credible. Not at all.

originally posted by: clarktron
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Probably because it worked good enough for them that they didn't need to upgrade. By the way, lol at your remark about GPS being a hoax. GPS has all but been confirmed to work. I used GPS last week to find a place I was driving to. So I can personally attest to it not being a hoax.

So the worlds top military didn't need to upgrade. Seriously? What a conundrum, military has the most advanced tech around for sure.

Well if the system worked, obviously they didn't want to break it. That doesn't mean they didn't use other positioning tools in addition to Loran - C, by the way. Just that they used it up until 2010.

Your "GPS" works just like your car stereo, radio signals.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean or how it is supposed to disprove a flat earth. Though since you mentioned radio signals, did you know that radio broadcasts on the FM wavelength broadcast based on line of sight and disperse into space because the earth curves away from the signals? If the Earth were flat, FM broadcasts would be able to be tuned in WAY further than you can tune them in now.

Line-of-sight propagation

Funny how you keep proving my point. Here, a link on how GPS works:

How GPS Receivers Work

When people talk about "a GPS," they usually mean a GPS receiver. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is actually a constellation of 27 Earth-orbiting satellites (24 in operation and three extras in case one fails). The U.S. military developed and implemented this satellite network as a military navigation system, but soon opened it up to everybody else.

Each of these 3,000- to 4,000-pound solar-powered satellites circles the globe at about 12,000 miles (19,300 km), making two complete rotations every day. The orbits are arranged so that at any time, anywhere on Earth, there are at least four satellites "visible" in the sky.

A GPS receiver's job is to locate four or more of these satellites, figure out the distanc­e to each, and use this information to deduce its own location. This operation is based on a simple mathematical principle called trilateration. Trilateration in three-dimensional space can be a little tricky, so we'll start with an explanation of simple two-dimensional trilateration.

Note, the above source is a non-biased source. THAT is what I'm trying to get from you about the Suez Canal. Not some random idiot who happens to know how to make a webpage's opinion on the matter (which is what your Atlantean Conspiracy website is).

originally posted by: Vasteel
Hi thread ppl,

1 - Lunar eclipses. For the earth to cast a shadow on the moon the earth needs to be between the moon and sun. The standard FE model has the moon and sun both 'above' the disc, so lunar eclipses should never happen, if the moon goes 'behind' the disc then the eclipse would not be viewable anyway. All lunar eclipses are explainable and predicable using the globe model.

2 - The FE model has a way for what we normally think of as northern hemisphere countries to have longer days than nights (and an arctic midnight sun), but not the southern. Can some ATSers in a southern hemisphere country confirm or refute that the day is longer than the night in your summers?

3 - ATSers in northerm hemisphere could confirm that the stars appear to rotate anti-clockwise around the pole star, ATSers in the southern hemisphere could confirm that they rotate clockwise around the south celestial pole. Videos can be made and shared (not by me I don't know how to do that lol).

4 - Who saw the transits of venus in 2012 and 2004? For that to happen venus has to eclipse the sun, FE model doesn't provide a way for this to happen. Globe does.

5 - We could check the ISS tracking data isn't made up by having different ATSers confirm it passing overhead, then mark the time and places of sightings on both a globe and an FE map just to see what each path looks like.

6 - We go on an expedition to the south pole (lol joke).

I know it's probably bad forum etiquette to quote my own post but I think I raise some good points in the above which do NOT rely on any government, military, space agency etc and which blow serious holes in the flat earth theory and which no FE supporters have addressed yet.

I have followed this topic with some interest for a while and I have to say that the majority of FE supporters are only on board with the theory for religious reasons, i.e they badly want the earth to be flat because the holy book of their choice says it is, so they ignore any and all evidence to the contrary.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
hi - i am also late to this idiocy , but have a question :

how do flat earth believers explain the volvo ocea race route ?

leg 5 is the clincher

the synopsis of my argument is :

the " global earth " claim is that leg 5 is 7200 nautical miles - consistant with the earth being an oblate spheroid

the flat earth " model " makes the distance far longer

the volvo race competitors [ and other racing yachts ] can do this leg in 18 ~ 22 days - dept on weather conditions

this time is consistent with other legs

so - if the earth is flat - how do they do it

is the volvo race a hoax ? [ requires a " cast " of thousands per year ]

magic ? - yes i am being snarky

or the flat earth " model " is utter twaddle ?????????????

discuss

In addition to my own post above this one, are any FE supporters going to address this point made by ignorant_ape about the Volvo Ocea race route?

originally posted by: Vasteel

In addition to my own post above this one, are any FE supporters going to address this point made by ignorant_ape about the Volvo Ocea race route?

Relax, and listen to the crickets...

a reply to: Lazarus Short

what is a volvo doing in the ocean?

a reply to: deadeyedick

I dunno...Moby Volvo?

a reply to: Lazarus Short

perhaps the first flat earthers were witness to an idiot driving a volvo into the sea and as it disappeared the flat earth theory was born

a reply to: deadeyedick

Not a Volvo...I'm sure it must have been a flatbed truck.

there you go.....

a reply to: nerbot

Circumnavigation is the same on a flat earth model as well...because they say the earth is a flat disc...if you head east you will circumnavigate back to your original point. They claim the north pole is the center of the disc with Antarctica being a wall of ice that surrounds the entire disc/plane. So if you travel south you will inevitably end up in Antarctica.

I don't believe in flat earth, but just because for 500 years they've said one way is true don't necessarily make it so. Bottom line is we will never have the perspective needed to see if it's true or not....side note NASA claims it's a perfect sphere which is not what Neil Degrasse Tyson says (pear shaped) and he's everyones golden boy.

I wouldn't dismiss it because a globe was in your first grade room...I'm open to the ideas and some make some actual sense.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This is by far the most asinine claim of all time. You obviously have no idea of how the human eye works...there are plenty of other arguments to use to say hey the earth isn't flat, but this one is comical at best.