Arizona woman thankful stranger killed her son during attack

a reply to: Prezbo369

Oh well, thanks for informing no-one that asked...

Hey no one asked about your critical eye, but you felt like tooting that horn, which is why I left the other day.

It showed that you need to elevate yourself into being a critical thinker with a critical eye hoping some reader will believe your words, which was too trollish in my opinion or pointed to an agenda.

Yurp everyone that disagrees with you, obviously has an agenda....

What exactly have you disagreed with, have I said guns are good and you oppose that?

Do you disagree that the ladies life was saved?

Do you think her son wasn't trying to kill her?

You seem to be disagreeing with whats reported, so you are not disagreeing with anything I am saying but with whats reported and not really justifying why you disagree other than your critical eyes.



Yes you obviously do have agenda, what that is, I really don't care, everyone has an agenda, however the way you entered this thread and your comments seem to be pointing to one side of the gun debate which this thread isn't about however you seem to want make it the point of discussion.

So that is your agenda, wanting to turn the thread into a gun debate thread.

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

You may disagree with me but don't ever tell me my opinion is irrelevant. I stand by my opinion and I won't cave just to fit in with the crowd.

You also stand by your opinion that the mother is happy she lost her son?

How did you form that opinion, can you maybe link to what has made think so?

Like I have said, its not in the article posted, its not in the OP and you are the first to bring it up in the thread.

How is the mother happy when she is quoted saying the opposite pretty much?

There is no crowd here, another interpretation on your part, everyone is posting individually.

Please show how came up with the opinion of the mother being happy that she just lost son and that he tried to kill her.

Otherwise that opinion is irrelevant and simply your imagination running wild or delusion-ally I would say, no one would be happy after someone tried to kill them especially if that someone is a loved one and then they are killed in response to their actions.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Nazis? really? lol

No, reread what you quoted.

If you would be the kind the person that the poster described then yes you would be an equivalent of a sympathizer, The Nazis would be the government taking the guns.

I thought with such a critical eye you would catch what was said and not misinterpret it so easily unless of coarse it was purposeful.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Prezbo369
Hey no one asked about your critical eye, but you felt like tooting quoteorn, which is why I left the other day.

Hey what I said was on topic, whereas your comment.....

And more troll accusation.....seems you're running empty on ideas...

Who exactly have you disagreed with, have I saiagasore good and you oppose that?

Do you disagree that the ladies life was saved?

Do you think her son wasn't trying to kill her?

You seem to be disagreeing with whats reported, so you are not disagreeing with anything I am saying but with whats reported and not really justifying why you disagree other than your critical eyes.



Yes you obviously do have agenda, what that is, I really don't care, everyone has an agenda, however the way you entered this thread and your comments seem to be pointing to one side of the gun debate which this thread isn't about however you seem to want make it the point of discussion.

So that is your agenda, wanting to turn the thread into a gun debate thread.

Yeah unless I agree with the report in the OP, then I obviously have an agenda.......geez like I said, you're running empty...

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Prezbo369

Nazis? really? lol

No, reread what you quoted.

If you would be the kind the person that the poster described then yes you would be an equivalent of a sympathizer, The Nazis would be the government taking the guns.

I thought with such a critical eye you would catch what was said and not misinterpret it so easily unless of coarse it was purposeful.

You played the Nazi card......lol

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Prezbo369

Nazis? really? lol

No, reread what you quoted.

If you would be the kind the person that the poster described then yes you would be an equivalent of a sympathizer, The Nazis would be the government taking the guns.

I thought with such a critical eye you would catch what was said and not misinterpret it so easily unless of coarse it was purposeful.

You played the Nazi card......lol

Don't read then,

I didn't bring it up, just pointing out more misinterpretations.

Yeah I am running empty, sorry cant feed you anymore.

There are no ideas other than a sad feeling for what the people went through and how drugs can affect people,

I am not debating whether guns are a problem, if you want to discuss where they are then do so with someone who wants to discuss that.

If you have read the thread I said what and why I am posting in this thread for, you came straight in and suggested that it will lead to more killings and said later you explained why, No sorry you didn't, you wrote a sentence or two to maybe attempt to sway others with high level of intelligence and critically seeing things for what and how they really are to make this into a Gun discussion, I highly doubt you would have made such comments if the Son wasn't killed by a neighbor with a gun, I guess my critical eyes just aren't as sharp sighted as yours.

'Citizens shooting other citizens' I thought once you attempt to kill someone in any country your rights as a citizen diminish quite a bit and would fit under the label of criminal no matter what illness you suffer from, if your illness leads to harming another and your life is taken in defense of anothers that you are trying take then that is justifiable in anyone's mind, allowing and watching someone kill another is shameful and cowardly, I guess that is what you want, Or would it have been OK if the neighbor used a hammer?

You can disagree that that saving a life is wrong, I haven't got any more food to feed you with, I wasted all my snacks on you.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
I highly doubt you would have made such comments if the Son wasn't killed by a neighbor with a gun, I guess my critical eyes just aren't as sharp sighted as yours.

If as many people were being killed with hammers/tazers/crowbars/bricks as are being killed with firearms, then maybe I would. But seeing as they're not......

'Citizens shooting other citizens' I thought once you attempt to kill someone in any country your rights as a citizen diminish quite a bit and would fit under the label of criminal no matter what illness you suffer from, if your illness leads to harming another and your life is taken in defense of anothers that you are trying take then that is justifiable in anyone's mind, allowing and watching someone kill another is shameful and cowardly, I guess that is what you want, Or would it have been OK if the neighbor used a hammer?

Another Judge Dredd wannabee........judge, jury and executioner.......or maybe Judge Zimmerman is closer?...

You can disagree that that saving a life is wrong, I haven't got any more food to feed you with, I wasted all my snacks on you.

You could feast on the strawmen you're attempting to feed me......

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
I highly doubt you would have made such comments if the Son wasn't killed by a neighbor with a gun, I guess my critical eyes just aren't as sharp sighted as yours.

If as many people were being killed with hammers/tazers/crowbars/bricks as are being killed with firearms, then maybe I would. But seeing as they're not..

They are....every single place guns have been outlawed, even though illegal guns are still an issue. This shows that it is not the instrument, it is the person.

Personally I'd much rather be killed with a gun than a brick or crowbar or knife....those are just brutal.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
They are....every single place guns have been outlawed, even though illegal guns are still an issue. This shows that it is not the instrument, it is the person.

Considering the US has the highest homicide by firearms rate in the west, what do you think that says about American citizens?

Personally I'd much rather be killed with a gun than a brick or crowbar or knife....those are just brutal.

It depends on where you're shot/struck/stabbed. I hear there aren't many more painful experiences than buckwheats, a shot in the guts or having your kneecaps blown off.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
They are....every single place guns have been outlawed, even though illegal guns are still an issue. This shows that it is not the instrument, it is the person.

Considering the US has the highest homicide by firearms rate in the west, what do you think that says about American citizens?

Personally I'd much rather be killed with a gun than a brick or crowbar or knife....those are just brutal.

It depends on where you're shot/struck/stabbed. I hear there aren't many more painful experiences than buckwheats, a shot in the guts or having your kneecaps blown off.

Depends on if you're looking at it per capita. And homicides are typically against the law, so I'd like to see the homicides by law abiding licensed gun holders if you're really wanting to bring this old argument up.

And as far as pain.....sure those are painful...that's why you always shoot to kill if in a situation that demands it...would hate for someone to suffer.

Either way, the US may have high gun homicides, but we are far from the highest homicide rate in the world. Maybe figure out what Honduras, Mexico and Brazil are doing wrong then come back and preach some more with skewed data....

See...my major issue with anti gun nuts is that I have no problem if they don't want to own a gun, yet they have a serious craze fest if I do want to own a gun. And owning one is lawful and in our Constitution as well.

Why do they care if I have a gun when I don't care if they don't have one? Pretty simple logic....don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you. Especially don't tell me what to do when what I am doing is backed by law. Are anti gun nuts just that egotistical that they think their opinion matters more than laws in the US?

Anywho....they can keep ranting and I'll keep owning my guns lawfully and carrying them lawfully and using them lawfully....and at the same time take a bit of joy knowing there is nothing they can lawfully do about it.

My cousin is messed up in the head. The rest of my family wouldn't go near him and he was living with my Aunt and Uncle. It put a kink in family relations. He was on drugs the last time I seen him and came out and looked at me in his underwear and a trench-coat. I looked at my dad and said, lets get out of here before he snaps.

A few years later he killed my Aunt with a table leg by beating her to death with it. I tried talking to them about getting him some help before this happened but they wouldn't have it. That's probably why the rest of the family stayed away. There's more stories about him that should have sent warning signs to his parents. My Aunt and Uncle would always coddle him and make excuses or plain out deny his wrongs. It's sad to say that my Aunt paid a high price for her mistake.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Depends on if you're looking at it per capita. And homicides are typically against the law, so I'd like to see the homicides by law abiding licensed gun holders if you're really wanting to bring this old argument up.

Why would that make any difference? if the US has the highest homicide via firearms rate in the western world, and the figure reflected that honest gun owners were non-existent in that statistic, what do you think that says about US citizens in general?

Maybe there's an unhealthy obsession with guns? maybe there's a lot of scared and terrified people unable to feel safe without a gun?

And as far as pain.....sure those are painful...that's why you always shoot to kill if in a situation that demands it...would hate for someone to suffer.

If you fire your guns at all you'd know just how easy it is to miss the center of any target even on the range, never mind in a stressful and apparent life or death situation?

A gun does not in any way guarantee a quick or painless death........but surely you'd know this?...

Either way, the US may have high gun homicides, but we are far from the highest homicide rate in the world. Maybe figure out what Honduras, Mexico and Brazil are doing wrong then come back and preach some more with skewed data....

Yeah good job comparing the US to places like Brazil, Honduras and Mexico lol

What's funny is that you actually think that helps your argument....

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
See...my major issue with anti gun nuts is that I have no problem if they don't want to own a gun, yet they have a serious craze fest if I do want to own a gun. And owning one is lawful and in our Constitution as well.

Why do they care if I have a gun when I don't care if they don't have one? Pretty simple logic....don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you. Especially don't tell me what to do when what I am doing is backed by law. Are anti gun nuts just that egotistical that they think their opinion matters more than laws in the US?

Anywho....they can keep ranting and I'll keep owning my guns lawfully and carrying them lawfully and using them lawfully....and at the same time take a bit of joy knowing there is nothing they can lawfully do about it.

Holey moley craze-fest lol, see all the angry rants against me? all the shouting in caps and wishes of evil towards me? any of that from me or anyone else that shares my opinion? no? just pro-gun-nuts?

The fact is we all have to live together on this rock, and what other people think or believe affects everyone else in some way or another. Concern over the ridiculous amount of guns in society won't ever go away, no matter how many rants you make or how many threats are made.

You love to talk about the constitution, so maybe you should also think about freedom of speech and that not everyone is going to agree with you (shocking I know!)....

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
My cousin is messed up in the head. The rest of my family wouldn't go near him and he was living with my Aunt and Uncle. It put a kink in family relations. He was on drugs the last time I seen him and came out and looked at me in his underwear and a trench-coat. I looked at my dad and said, lets get out of here before he snaps.

A few years later he killed my Aunt with a table leg by beating her to death with it. I tried talking to them about getting him some help before this happened but they wouldn't have it. That's probably why the rest of the family stayed away. There's more stories about him that should have sent warning signs to his parents. My Aunt and Uncle would always coddle him and make excuses or plain out deny his wrongs. It's sad to say that my Aunt paid a high price for her mistake.

Yeah that seems legit..

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Depends on if you're looking at it per capita. And homicides are typically against the law, so I'd like to see the homicides by law abiding licensed gun holders if you're really wanting to bring this old argument up.

Why would that make any difference? if the US has the highest homicide via firearms rate in the western world, and the figure reflected that honest gun owners were non-existent in that statistic, what do you think that says about US citizens in general?

Maybe there's an unhealthy obsession with guns? maybe there's a lot of scared and terrified people unable to feel safe without a gun?

And as far as pain.....sure those are painful...that's why you always shoot to kill if in a situation that demands it...would hate for someone to suffer.

If you fire your guns at all you'd know just how easy it is to miss the center of any target even on the range, never mind in a stressful and apparent life or death situation?

A gun does not in any way guarantee a quick or painless death........but surely you'd know this?...

Either way, the US may have high gun homicides, but we are far from the highest homicide rate in the world. Maybe figure out what Honduras, Mexico and Brazil are doing wrong then come back and preach some more with skewed data....

Yeah good job comparing the US to places like Brazil, Honduras and Mexico lol

What's funny is that you actually think that helps your argument....

You need to go back and study statistics again....it makes a huge difference.

I guess it's amazing how many people are killed by hitting center mass then, or we'd just have a bunch of injured instead right? I practice, and hitting center mass is not hard.

You brought up the world and said the US had the highest....I simply pointed out that you were incorrect.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
See...my major issue with anti gun nuts is that I have no problem if they don't want to own a gun, yet they have a serious craze fest if I do want to own a gun. And owning one is lawful and in our Constitution as well.

Why do they care if I have a gun when I don't care if they don't have one? Pretty simple logic....don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you. Especially don't tell me what to do when what I am doing is backed by law. Are anti gun nuts just that egotistical that they think their opinion matters more than laws in the US?

Anywho....they can keep ranting and I'll keep owning my guns lawfully and carrying them lawfully and using them lawfully....and at the same time take a bit of joy knowing there is nothing they can lawfully do about it.

Holey moley craze-fest lol, see all the angry rants against me? all the shouting in caps and wishes of evil towards me? any of that from me or anyone else that shares my opinion? no? just pro-gun-nuts?

The fact is we all have to live together on this rock, and what other people think or believe affects everyone else in some way or another. Concern over the ridiculous amount of guns in society won't ever go away, no matter how many rants you make or how many threats are made.

You love to talk about the constitution, so maybe you should also think about freedom of speech and that not everyone is going to agree with you (shocking I know!)....

I haven't ranted against you at all. Simply pointing out where you are wrong and your argument fails....no rant needed.

Glad you think that what you think affects me in some way, but I can tell you that it does not affect me at all. Concern over those in society that will just roll along with having freedoms taken away will also never go away.

That is the beauty of freedom of speech and protected rights. You have the right to believe and say what you want, I do as well, fortunately for me, my right is also protected and written in to law. Don't Stop Believin!

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

You need to go back and study statistics again....it makes a huge difference.

I guess it's amazing how many people are killed by hitting center mass then, or we'd just have a bunch of injured instead right? I practice, and hitting center mass is not hard.

You brought up the world and said the US had the highest....I simply pointed out that you were incorrect.

Perhaps your pro-gun zealotry has confused you, I said in the western world.......you do know what that means right?......geez

And you actually think more people are killed via firearms than are injured by them??.....really?

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
I haven't ranted against you at all. Simply pointing out where you are wrong and your argument fails....no rant needed.

I keep having to point out to you where you're wrong, and your points quite often rely on false premises. And if you really don't see that you're ranting, maybe take a step back? a deep breath?...

Glad you think that what you think affects me in some way, but I can tell you that it does not affect me at all. Concern over those in society that will just roll along with having freedoms taken away will also never go away.

You keep replying......so it has some affect. Not that I said or even implied that it would, or that I care.

That is the beauty of freedom of speech and protected rights. You have the right to believe and say what you want, I do as well, fortunately for me, my right is also protected and written in to law. Don't Stop Believin!

The problem lies with you 'Believin!' your life is in constant threat and the only way to stay safe is with yer guns....

a reply to: Prezbo369

What do you say to those who don't believe they need guns to protect themselves, but rather own and shoot guns for sport or hobby?