Feminists request use of "jazz hands" rather than clapping to avoid triggering "anxiety" [OP UPD

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well, I didn't bring it up, or repeat it and make a big deal out of it, but......IF THE SHOE FITS!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

We can post definitions all day long, but the modern feminist movement isn't about equality at all; it's about putting doen men, and claiming that anything that happens to a member of the group is because she's female.

That's Misandry, not Feminism

You can try to slander a cause by redefining it as something wicked all day long! But as a woman, I find the broad brush in which you're painting feminism, demonizing the avocation of equal rights for women as if it's hateful to men, dishonest, disrespectful and offensive!

You are completely correct, it is not Feminism. And it is also that vast majority of what is happening in the name of modern Feminism. And the point about reversing the positions, or substituting men for a different race or religion is also perfectly valid. I support feminism. I personally cannot make discrimination of any kind work within my personal belief structure or moral code. And I like it that way. But discrimination and intolerance are still wrong when the roles are reversed. And aligning one's self with a particular cause or idealism, not matter how noble the reason, does not excuse one from ignoring or justifying the wrongs done by that group.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

After reading the article, then reading what you had to say about it, all I wanted to do was stand and clap. Then I realized the irony of doing so, and decided to clap anyway.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

From the Breitbart article? Yeah, right. That's not slanted in any way. From that article turning a conference on women's issues into a feminist man-hating session and then using that strawman they created to proceed to blow up, exaggerate, and otherwise make things up about this issue is ridiculous and heinous.

As a woman I find their and by proxy your broadbrushing of women and feminism offensive. Modern feminism is about equality. Full stop.

I don't see it as slanted. Do they or do they not have the women-only session for the reasons stated? If they do, it isn't slanted.

You find my "by proxy...broadbrushing of women and feminism" offensive? I am a woman. The statements I made are about this group and feminists, not about women in general. Not all women are feminists. Not all women feel intimidated by men. Not all women feel that anything that doesn't go well in their lives is because of their sex. Not all women feel that men must be put down to make women look better. Many, many feminists do, however, and that permeates our society. It's in television shows and movies. It's also ridiculous, and the end result is resentment and a poor reflection on all women.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

We can post definitions all day long, but the modern feminist movement isn't about equality at all; it's about putting down men, and claiming that anything that happens to a member of the group is because she's female.

That's Misandry, not Feminism

You can try to slander a cause by redefining it as something wicked all day long! But as a woman, I find the broad brush in which you're painting feminism, demonizing the avocation of equal rights for women as if it's hateful to men, dishonest, disrespectful and offensive!

That's a common characteristic of modern feminists. It isn't slander if it's true, and there are countless examples of this all over the internet.

Equal rights are one thing. Equal pay for equal work is fine, for example, but equal pay for women that can't do the same work isn't equality; it's favoritism. That happens all over, even in the military. I have seen this first hand. Equal treatment is fine, but when all-male clubs are condemned, bt all-female groups are allowed, that isn't equal. When all men are blamed for the actions of some, that isn't equal. Claiming that the women would be threatened by the mere presence of men, because they might have been abused or assaulted is painting all men with the same broad brush, now isn't it?

a reply to: pfishy

And aligning one's self with a particular cause or idealism, not matter how noble the reason, does not excuse one from ignoring or justifying the wrongs done by that group.

That's like saying that all Christians are bigots because of the wrong doings of the Westboro Baptists. Christianity, like feminism, is a huge swath of the population. Not all those who adhere to Christianity or feminism make the best examples for their cause.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Again, Feminism is one thing, and Mysandry is another thing. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. One thing is not the other.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Feminists just want everyone to bow down to them. They are offended by pretty much everything and make themselves difficult to be around.

This is the typical demand of equal rights by lobbying for special conditions. GLBT groups pull crap like this all the time. "I just want to be treated like everyone else so here is a list of special treatment I would like that is specific to my gender or orientation"

Don't forget Christians. They pull the same stuff too and are offended by pretty much everything as well and make themselves difficult to be around also.

Thank god you brought them up

sheeese

I know, right? LOL They can be a little wacky at times.

But the bigger point was you can say the same thing about any group...Feminists can be annoying, Christians can be annoying, Gamergaters can be annoying, republicans can be annoying, democrats can be annoying, Catholics can be annoying, Climate change deniers can be annoying. I'm annoying.

I see people are accusing others of intolerance and some kind of -ism because they have made fun of what amounts to a rule outlawing clapping. People shouldn't outlaw such a nice expression of respect and honor. The hand clap is used to deliver a message of enjoyment, a primate call of joy and approval. People who want to use jazz-hands (glad that's not mistyped) should use them, yay, wave the fingers back and forth (I used that method in meetings for years). People who want to clap should clap. Maybe individual speakers could ask for no clapping during their presentations, but if not asked the audience members should do what they do.

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Yeah, because demanding "special treatment" like the same rights as everyone else is, you know, bad or something. I'm going to stop right here before I get too angry. "Special treatment"...good grief smh.

This is ignorant, I am sorry, I am not saying that to offend--but modern feminism is not the movement for equal rights that people think it is.

Women and men, in the United States at least, have absolute equal rights.

Men can own property.
Women can own property.
Men can vote.
Women can vote.
Men have the right to travel freely.
Women have the right to travel freely.
Men have the right to bear arms.
Women have the right to bear arms.
Men have the right to enter into private contracts.
Women have the right to enter into private contracts.

Men have the rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and the right to peacefully assemble to demand a redress of grievances against government wrong-doing.

Women have the rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and the right to peacefully assemble to demand a redress of grievances against government wrong-doing.

Men are protected from involuntary servitude per the 13th amendment.
Women are protected from involuntary servitude per the 13th amendment.
Men are equal under the law per the 14th amendment.
Women are equal under the law per the 14th amendment.

Men are protected from unlawful imprisonment thanks to habeas corpus.
Women are protected from unlawful imprisonment thanks to habeas corpus.
Men are protected from ex post facto laws.
Women are protected from ex post facto laws.

There are zero natural rights recognized by the United States' Bill of Rights that men have that women do not also have. It is a myth that men have more rights under the law.

Modern feminism has become a beacon that attracts the mentally ill. The irony in this is the fact that people with serious illnesses are being encouraged to remain sick, and not only encouraged, but their irrational views are shaping and entire country's culture. It is a serious issue, and people keep blindly clinging to what feminism was in the past.

For proof, spend the next 6 months gathering data on modern feminism from Tumblr.

If people want a real equal work/equal pay issue to gripe about, they should look into the H1-B Visas that the tech industry wants more of. They claim they can't find American workers to do those jobs, men OR women, but the truth is that they can find equally qualified foreign Visa workers whom they can pay less for the same jobs who are basically indentured to the company who brings them in.

That's the kind of issue people ought to gripe about, not only are there plenty of qualified Americans who are getting the shaft, but there really are people doing equal work with equal qualifications who are getting paid less and gender has nothing to do with it.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

There aren't many rights that one gender has that the other doesn't - except in many countries of the world! For the United States what comes to mind (as it often does) is the fact that in most of the country men can walk around without wearing a shirt, naked from the waste up just like the day they were born, and women cannot, for fear of arrest or a trip to a local mental ward. That's one archaic difference. I can't think of any other right that is legally denied one gender and enjoyed by the other. It comes down to shirted or topless (as it often does).

They've asked people not to CLAP?

Really, really glad that I'm not attending that conference. I'd probably punch a speaker.

a reply to: Aleister

There aren't many rights that one gender has that the other doesn't - except in many countries of the world!

I think if you reread my post, you would realize that I specifically called out the United States.

I am far more concerned about feminism in the US becuase I live there, and feminism in the United States is not what people think it is.

There are countries that do need true gender equality movements for women, but the United States is not one of them.

Other countries are outside the scope of my post.

For the United States what comes to mind (as it often does) is the fact that in most of the country men can walk around without their shirt and women cannot, for fear of arrest or a trip to a local mental ward. That's one archaic difference. I can't think of any other right that is legally denied one gender and enjoyed by the other. It comes down to shirt or topless (as it often does).

Lol. This is what I am talking about when it comes to feminism in the United States.

US feminism: "I can't take my shirt off in public, but men can, RAPE RAPE, stop oppressing me."

Your example is a cultural idiosyncrasy that stems from the sexual conservatism that is, sadly, an annoying aspect of our culture.

That is a very far cry from the women 100 years ago who fought for the right to vote. You cannot compare fighting for something like the right to vote, to the stupid bs trashing our culture like this:


US Feminism: Fart Rape

So what I'm reading here is that many of you in the thread want to impose your way of looking at the world on this group and restrict them from deciding on how they would like to run their own meetings in facilities that they've rented and paid for?

That sounds a lot like the actions of fascist, individual-liberty-hating elitists to me.

Anyone care to explain how it's not?

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: burdman30ott6

They also ban photography at events as it may intimidate delegates from overseas, so our photo is a suggestion of what the delegates might look like.

Holy bigfoot!

Is it just me or do other males get this urge to run down the middle isle during their convention with nothing but body paint and a smile on.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
So what I'm reading here is that many of you in the thread want to impose your way of looking at the world on this group and restrict them from deciding on how they would like to run their own meetings in facilities that they've rented and paid for?

That sounds a lot like the actions of fascist, individual-liberty-hating elitists to me.

Anyone care to explain how it's not?

They can do what they want and I can find it ridiculous as much as I want and comment on it...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure, sure, you can do whatever you want within T&C ... did I say otherwise?

What's it to you? What do you care how they dress? Do you really think it's funny to talk about disrupting their free assembly?

In their own pursuit of the cause of individual liberty, these folks have chosen to organize and run their event as they see fit?

Why so much ridicule and misrepresentation directed against them? For expressing their heart-felt beliefs?

Are they that threatening to you?

originally posted by: beezzer
Imma gonna have fun with this.

And I'm going to have a blast watching your puns roll forth. But, I'd like to point out that I don't believe you to be a "feminist". Humanist seems more appropriate, since it doesn't focus on one gender above any other. I consider myself a humanist, if people want to get picky. I consider feminism to be a rather shallow, unproductive movement & label. It's a nice badge of honor for women to wear, if they're conceited enough to think no one but them deserves any fairness at all in life & it's pursuits.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Unfortunately, the LGBT stuff has been hijacked largely by feminism/feminists. That is at the top and the things lgbt related are under it. They even made it so that the "L" is before "G" so that men aren't before women, for the sake of equality....go figure. And people for better or worse tend to look at homosexual men as making up 90% of the lgbt-whatevr else label...again, go figure. Because obviously benching your star QB is going to win you the game.

So I would make a distinction between feminism and lgbt stuff, even with the association with feminism there or not there, you are exaggerating a bit and making it out to be bigger, worse than it is. =)

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure, sure, you can do whatever you want within T&C ... did I say otherwise?

What's it to you? What do you care how they dress? Do you really think it's funny to talk about disrupting their free assembly?

It is nothing to me... Don't really care one way or the other, but why are you emotionally charged to feel that everyone here that sees much of it as silly as some threat to their freedom.

In their own pursuit of the cause of individual liberty, these folks have chosen to organize and run their event as they see fit?

As I said have fun no matter how far from society norms they feel they need to go. I guess my biggest complain is organizations like this are chock full of extremist views, anti-social behavior etc and is basically a hate group toward gender. How else do you describe a need for a "no male zone" for their participants?

Are they that threatening to you?

Nope, but because I happen to be male I guess I'm threatening towards them....


Get my point?