Putin's New "Protocols"

a reply to: Meduzi

Mistake no.1 Assuming that I'm here to prove anything to strangers in the "internets"

Mistake No.2 Trying to sound like Charlton Heston

And that's your choice.

If you say so.

Your whole frigging country was stolen. I have a tree outside my house, older than the US.

So was pretty much every country on this Earth...I imagine many people have the same thing, so what's the point here?

a reply to: Meduzi

You should be more nervous walking through New York on a dark night, than walking through the streets of Moscow.

And how do you know that, because there are many New Yorker's who would disagree with that.

still discussing the lies about putin that are meant to destroy the briccs bank and to ensure the world keeps the corrupt petrol dollar i see,,,deny ignorance was once this sites moto ,,one it no longer deserves....

a reply to: Meduzi

And yet you gloss over Russia's "stink" and lovingly list America's. Too bad Little Britain has withdrawn from the world stage. They used to be real warmongers.

a reply to: DJW001

You're doing it again. My not commenting on something, doesn't mean that I have commented on something. It does not necessitate a comment. Comment on something that I have said, instead of coming to conclusions on what hasn't been said. It's a bit daft. It makes you look like a bit of a klutz, of which, I have no doubt, isn't the way that you see yourself.

What has "Little Britain", the comedy staring David Walliams and Matt Lucas, have to do with the world stage? Or are you really stating that you consider it a shame that the British Empire RiP has, thankfully, reduced it's efforts, imposing its will on other nations, often with the barrel of a gun?

Are you a warmonger?

originally posted by: stuthealien
still discussing the lies about putin that are meant to destroy the briccs bank and to ensure the world keeps the corrupt petrol dollar i see,,,deny ignorance was once this sites moto ,,one it no longer deserves....

What lies are you talking about? Provide a specific example, please.

a reply to: Meduzi

Thank you for illustrating my point. Rather than provide an answer, you avoid the question at length.

a reply to: DJW001

You didn't ask a question. You made three statements.

originally posted by: Meduzi
a reply to: DJW001

You didn't ask a question. You made three statements.

Funny... I could have sworn you said:

Again, if everything is so "painfully obvious", then why are you still asking questions?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: DJW001

That was a page ago. I'd moved on.

Your question "Is support for Fascist and Nazi organizations excusable in the name of expediency or not?"

IMO, it's immorally wrong, of course, but do government do it anyway? Yes. Just as the US spirited away Nazi scientists in Operation Paperclip. So, instead of imprisoning the Nazis, they gave them a nice job, and a pat on the back. All for the intention of having them help the US in the Cold War, instead of helping the USSR.

Am I allowed to remind you of previous US support for Nazis, or are you going to start spitting froth again?

originally posted by: Meduzi
a reply to: DJW001

That was a page ago. I'd moved on.

Your question "Is support for Fascist and Nazi organizations excusable in the name of expediency or not?"

IMO, it's immorally wrong, of course, but do government do it anyway? Yes. Just as the US spirited away Nazi scientists in Operation Paperclip. So, instead of imprisoning the Nazis, they gave them a nice job, and a pat on the back. All for the intention of having them help the US in the Cold War, instead of helping the USSR.

Am I allowed to remind you of previous US support for Nazis, or are you going to start spitting froth again?

Capturing scientists and having them continue their work is alot diffrent than funding their ideaology. Russia gives them money to grow and expand their beliefs. Which is odd considering the number of Russian's that died trying to remove them from Europe now only ro fund them.

And no if Russia makes the claim they are fighting Nazis in countries like Ukraine but fund them throughout Europe only shows they aren't serious about Nazis in Ukraine. what it does show is Putin is becoming a right wing fanatical dictator. It's amazing his similarities to Hitler. Hitler started small beating up jews and people he considered unworthy aka the brown shirts who later become the SS. Putin allows gangs to harass and even kill non Russians and of course gays

Then Hitler started consolidating power ot started with an attack . He Created A False flag operation with the burning of the riechstag. This caused Germans to see themselves under siege and only Hitler could protect them.Well Putin does this with the moscow apartment bombings kills some people and blames it on others. Now Hitler moved on to the next stage take control of the media control it's content. Hitler became a superstar people had posters copies of his book he couldn't go anywhere withough having to give signatures. He built a cult around himself and all deserters were jailed. Well Putin had taken over the Media and again is reaching superstar status has t shirts mugs etc all with his image. Just like Hitler the media follows hum around lamenting how awesome he is. Then Hitler moved on to gething total control started with his party electing him.Then used that power to take over and inact laws taking away rights all the time convincing them it was for the good of the state.

Again Putin is doing exactly the same stripping away Russians rights piece by piece he can now hold someone in jail in definately. If your a challenge to his authority just like Hitler your dead. So Hitlers in control but rule number one for right wing groups grow the state. So hitler decides he needs more land and starts claiming that Germans are being mistreat ed and killed and it's his moral obligation to defend them after all they are asking for help. So troops invade Poland. Again sounds familiar Putin did thus also in Ukraine and Georgia. I can keep going with this but I'll stop for now. What I will say if Russians don't wake up quickly and realize they are moving to a totalitarian rigime they are in for a rough time. Though I'm thinking it may be to late already I'm not sure the Russians could remove him if they wanted to.

a reply to: dragonridr

I agree with much of what you're written (I also appreciate your less than arrogant manner).

What you haven't appreciated, and I've yet to see anyone here note one very important aspect, is that Russians are used to having totalitarian regimes. Being strong in the face of adversity, is in the Russian soul, and it's water off of a duck back. US citizens would struggle with that reality, but in Russia, everyone is used to it. And, frankly, it's better now that it's been in living memory.

a reply to: Meduzi

Thank you for agreeing that it is morally wrong to fund Neo-Nazi and Fascist organizations in the hopes of furthering your nation's agenda, whether it was the US supporting South American dictatorships during Operation Condor, or Russia supporting such political parties now. One difference is that the US tended to turn a blind eye in the light of its policy of "Anti-Communism," whereas Russia seems to see Eurasianism as a positive good.

originally posted by: Meduzi
a reply to: dragonridr

I agree with much of what you're written (I also appreciate your less than arrogant manner).

What you haven't appreciated, and I've yet to see anyone here note one very important aspect, is that Russians are used to having totalitarian regimes. Being strong in the face of adversity, is in the Russian soul, and it's water off of a duck back. US citizens would struggle with that reality, but in Russia, everyone is used to it. And, frankly, it's better now that it's been in living memory.

Problem is its about to get much worse For Putin. And ad that happens he will tighten down further. There is already strikes going on in Russia many have not been paid in weeks. See in Russia companies don't lay off workers they just don't pay them. Labor laws are almost non existent. The economy is only going down especially since Saudi Arabia is increasing production again on an over supplied market. Inflation is getting bad even my grandparents are complaining on the costs as they rise. And people are talking publicly they support Putin privately is another matter entirely.

There is a new anti Putin faction forming well more joining forces and they have one goal show the people what Putin has been doing. And here's a prediction there going to show how he's used his position to increase his own money well his policies cause peiple to starve.My dad and I were discussing this the other day he wants to move my grandmom over to the states. And he was saying we may need to supply cash to them if it gets to bad. Luckily we both have very good jobs and can afford it but many Russians won't have that kind of options.

oh come on asking me for an example ,,,this whole thing is the example

ok before this started ukrainians where free to travel anyway we had ukrainians here in the uk long b4 this wholething blew-up,
so they where free and had no need to revolt and declare independance
fast foward to when the briccs bank nations had momentum ,then a coup de tate suddenly appears .

so who has the most to gain by destabalizing any country associated with the briccs banking ??????????

so in the global game of chess ,the U.S.A has the most to gain by making sure the world has to keep the corrupt petrol dollar,which should no longer be in place ..and the usa will stop at nothing to ensure this petrol slavery excists
we the world people want and demand fair trade ,,,it has to go for free trade to be re-installed into the world along with countries printing their own money..........can anyone calculate how much money the petrol dollar has made the usa since the second world war?????

originally posted by: stuthealien
oh come on asking me for an example ,,,this whole thing is the example

ok before this started ukrainians where free to travel anyway we had ukrainians here in the uk long b4 this wholething blew-up,
so they where free and had no need to revolt and declare independance
fast foward to when the briccs bank nations had momentum ,then a coup de tate suddenly appears .

so who has the most to gain by destabalizing any country associated with the briccs banking ??????????

so in the global game of chess ,the U.S.A has the most to gain by making sure the world has to keep the corrupt petrol dollar,which should no longer be in place ..and the usa will stop at nothing to ensure this petrol slavery excists
we the world people want and demand fair trade ,,,it has to go for free trade to be re-installed into the world along with countries printing their own money..........can anyone calculate how much money the petrol dollar has made the usa since the second world war?????

Ukraine wasn't a member of briks and wouldn't have been. You bought into a lie US doesn't have a Dog 8n this fight. The only reason they are involved is its Europe. Reality is however the Obama administration has done the least it can possibly do. Germany is running the show if Merkel said tomorrow end the sanctions we made a deal it would be done. In fact Obama hasn't even had 1 discussion with Putin on this other than comments made to the press. If this meant something to the US it would be on the news constantly many Amaricans don't even know what's going on in ukraine. And troops would already be there. Problem is for Putin he can't say the EU is pissed. He has to blame it on the US because if the US isn't involved it's just a local dispute. And he's just a guy that invaded a neighboring country.

See the EU isn't a threat it's the US as far as all that propaganda he thru out there. Has to be someone picking on Russis lol. Oh and the US dollar is not the only petro currency in use anymore they are quite common. The only thing that makes Russia mad Is no one wants the Ruble it's unstable. So there isn't a demand for them even without the Petro dollar US is a consumer country and countries would stI'll carry the dollar. For example Chins the US is their largest trading partner as odd as that is. And the EU is there second they won't stop using either currency.

a reply to: stuthealien

ok before this started ukrainians where free to travel anyway we had ukrainians here in the uk long b4 this wholething blew-up,
so they where free and had no need to revolt and declare independance
fast foward to when the briccs bank nations had momentum ,then a coup de tate suddenly appears .

This all happened because Russia ultimately forced Ukraine to choose them over the EU...Brics had nothing to do with it.

As for this just popping up...it didn't and was caused because the president had been stealing from the country and then lied to them when it came time to actually sign the EU deal. This was starting in the end of 2013, we just saw what happened after the then president decided to clamp down hard with his corrupt police force.

Research is your friend.

i disagree completely and openly accuse the u.s.a of instigating this whole situation ,the u.s.a has simply to much to loose by not having a hand in this ...i ask again can you calculate the amount of money the usa has recieved since the second world war due to the petrol dollar?
there is no way the usa is not involved covertly or otherwise

originally posted by: stuthealien
i disagree completely and openly accuse the u.s.a of instigating this whole situation ,the u.s.a has simply to much to loose by not having a hand in this ...i ask again can you calculate the amount of money the usa has recieved since the second world war due to the petrol dollar?
there is no way the usa is not involved covertly or otherwise

BRICs is not an actual alliance, it is a collection of countries that happen to be developing rapidly. Most of them have stalled because they rely on the export of natural resources like oil or agricultural produce. Ukraine was never a member of BRICs. The United States actually relies on the BRICs nations for their resources; without China, Walmart could not exist.

It is also clear you do not understand how the "petrodollar" system works. The United States does not profit from it; the net outflow of cash is to the oil and gas producing countries!

so there is not a exchange rate then?????? of course the u.s.a profits ,so i do not understand (why attack my intelligence).
why are you denying the u.s.a profit????????
the countries have only stalled due to economic pressure from the usa and other covert Destabilisation techniques .
and yes they do rely on oil which is why they and any country that wants free trade wants to circumvent the petrol-dollar.