Putin's New "Protocols"

a reply to: Meduzi

an anti-anti-Russian point of view,

Isn't an "anti- anti- Russian point of view" simply the Russian point of view? Or are you one of those people who think that opposition to Putin's destructive policies is bad for the Russian people? That wanting the best for Russia automatically means marching in lock step with Putin's revanchist program?

a reply to: Meduzi

The same can be said of the CIA. Considerable effort and money has always been afforded towards influencing and/or over-throwing governments.

And yet the CIA never annexed any territory that the government changed ruled...so it isn't the same.

Let's not pretend that any government does anything not "in the national interest". Russia does, the US does, the UK does (this list could go on for a while) so all this moral high-ground nonsense is a bit daft.

Nobody says it isn't, but to think Putin is doing what he has done as of late with Georgia and Ukraine are not in the national interest of the Russians as those haven't been part of RUssia for many years, but they are more for his ego than anything else.

SO saying the US is just as bad is a fallacy as we don't annex sovereign countries land for our national interest.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I think it started with the olypics. Putin got upset when instead of talking about the Russians putting on the olypics the international press tore him up on his stance with gays and lesbians. Even to the point athletes were refusing to participate he got mad. His ego took over and decided to show the world he wasn't irrelevant and how important he is.

The hate is certainly ubiquitous nowadays.

a reply to: DJW001

Russian propaganda....Ugh.

I will tell you what I do see, Nazi like actions on behalf of Putin. The argument of invasion into another country is what Hitler did and what Russia HELPED them to do with the invasion of Poland and the Sudetenland.

The Russian video propaganda piece about Crimea called "Crimea, The way home" is alarmingly similar to the Nazi propaganda piece called : "German Sudetenland Returns Home".

www.liveleak.com...

If there are any Nazi tendencies anywhere, they are in Putin.

AND he has his eye on Greece, all those ethnic Russians there as well... Basically is you are even remotely Russian in heritage you belong to the federation in Putin's eyes. If you are slightly black or brown or of unfavorable ethnicity in those countries with that have SOME Russian ethnicity then you are screwed. You are not welcome in your home, which is really part of Russia and you just dont know it yet...yes, screwed...You are screwed like the Crimean Tartars are....DEAD screwed.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Meduzi

an anti-anti-Russian point of view,

Isn't an "anti- anti- Russian point of view" simply the Russian point of view? Or are you one of those people who think that opposition to Putin's destructive policies is bad for the Russian people? That wanting the best for Russia automatically means marching in lock step with Putin's revanchist program?

Your logic is a little, let's call 'loose".

No, it's not. That would mean that all Russians agree. Do all Russians agree with the Russian government?

If you felt that I am "one of those people" then surely you wouldn't have needed to have asked.

originally posted by: Meduzi

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Meduzi

an anti-anti-Russian point of view,

Isn't an "anti- anti- Russian point of view" simply the Russian point of view? Or are you one of those people who think that opposition to Putin's destructive policies is bad for the Russian people? That wanting the best for Russia automatically means marching in lock step with Putin's revanchist program?

Your logic is a little, let's call 'loose". No, it's not. That would mean that all Russians agree. Do all Russians agree with the Russian government?

If you felt that I am "one of those people" then surely you wouldn't have needed to have asked.

Let's play semantics does Putins government nit represent the people? OR are you saying Putin represents himself with no concern for Russia or Russians please clarify.

And yet the CIA never annexed any territory that the government changed ruled...so it isn't the same.

Pardon? Can you try that again.

Nobody says it isn't, but to think Putin is doing what he has done as of late with Georgia and Ukraine are not in the national interest of the Russians as those haven't been part of RUssia for many years, but they are more for his ego than anything else. SO saying the US is just as bad is a fallacy as we don't annex sovereign countries land for our national interest.

Ok, I'll assume that the first part, is summarized, above.

Is the flying of the national flag, on the territory of another, the only part that you would see bad about CIA actions?

a reply to: tadaman

...and US funding Nazis who need lebensraum in the East, and who make of Russians a make believe enemy of course is not ?

Yup, Western propaganda covering it all up again by making a complete false set of narratives.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

How does the the US doing it or not, which you have not proven even negate what I said, OR what the OP PROVED?

Deflection much?


OR are you justifying these actions?

originally posted by: dragonridr

Let's play semantics does Putins government nit represent the people? OR are you saying Putin represents himself with no concern for Russia or Russians please clarify.

What you do think?

Let's look at the evidence...

Putin, love him, or despise him, actually works, and hard, for the country. Of course he's egotistical, but all leaders are. But he loves Russia, almost as much as he loves himself.

originally posted by: 2Spooky4Me

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I didn't know unsourced blogspot posts counted as valid sources these days.

I don't take much clout in anything posted on ATS (and the internet at as a whole) when it comes to propaganda one way or another. Not even in printed media. With that being said, from what I glanced over at the blogspot blog I found two links that went to seemingly official Ukranian / Russian news links. Is that not a source? (Not being an ass, I'm just curious or if the sources cited were known propaganda sites.)

Either way, no one is innocent. The U.S., Europe, Russia... We're all asses. The only difference is Russia is relatively open about it.

Exactly.

All states participate in propaganda, and dirty dealings. Whether is was the millions that the West poured into only West Berlin (especially the parts visible from the other side of the wall, so people on the east side thought that the whole of Germany was like that) to the building of mega-watt radio transmitters to beam "the truth" [cough] in to the Eastern Bloc, with TASS also blurting a vision of the world, as it saw it, there has never been a time when news wasn't used as a weapon.

Unfortunately, there are too many people, everywhere, on this small rock, who will attack whoever their own government tell them is the enemy. The breakup of the USSR, for quite a while, denied the US of an enemy. When that happens to a country, its citizens begin to blame their own government for the counties problems. Thankfully, Russia stepped in to solve that crisis. But while the idiots in Washington enjoy happy days again, China will sneak in the back door and hoodwink the US. It'll also try to do the very same to Russia, which is why the Kremlin is forging as many ties with the East as possible.

a reply to: Meduzi

Pardon? Can you try that again.

Well then what countries has the CIA annexed in the name of national interest?

Ok, I'll assume that the first part, is summarized, above.

Is the flying of the national flag, on the territory of another, the only part that you would see bad about CIA actions?

Now were talking about flying flags...I guess the annexation question was a bit to difficult, but flying a flag is much different than taking parts of a sovereign country...or are they the same to you?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

...and US funding Nazis who need lebensraum in the East, and who make of Russians a make believe enemy of course is not ?

And Russia hasn't done the same thing if not worse?

In January 2015, negative perceptions of the West in Russia rose to the highest level ever recorded in the history of Russian public opinion polling. Eighty-one percent of people surveyed had a negative perception of the United States, while a mere 13 percent had a positive view. Seventy-one percent viewed the European Union negatively, with 20 percent having a positive perception. One year earlier, the results were 44 to 43 percent for the US, and 34 to 51 percent for Europe. Forty-two percent described Russia’s relations with the US as “hostile”, up from 4 percent just one year ago. One out of four Russians thought relations with the EU were hostile – whereas two years ago, in January 2013, only one person out of a hundred saw Russia-EU relations in this light.

The current antagonism is nurtured by the aggressive anti-Western propaganda that has accompanied the crisis in Ukraine since its onset in late 2013. In the quarter century of post-Soviet development, perceptions of the US and the West in general have gone through different phases, but resentment towards the West has been gradually accumulating throughout the period.

www.ecfr.eu...

Amazing how that get's left out of your posts, as if you are trying to make your case for the RUssia is the victim posts...oh wait you are.

Yup, Western propaganda covering it all up again by making a complete false set of narratives.

Yeah with all that truth coming from Russian media concerning the things they do...what were we thinking.

Well then what countries has the CIA annexed in the name of national interest?

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming


Ok, you've got me. It wasn't called the CIA back then.

a reply to: Meduzi

Putin, love him, or despise him, actually works, and hard, for the country.

So taking over the media, and privately owned businesses that the government takes over is what you consider working hard for the country?

Taking rights away from the people is working hard for the country, keeping the opposition away from the chance to make the country a better place is working hard for the country?

Boy I am glad your not running a country, as your citizens would not be happy.

a reply to: Meduzi

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

You may want to check, but none of those were a country.

Try to show me a country the US has annexed within the last 100 years..

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I actually "LOL"d

Thank you.

Try this here!

a reply to: Meduzi

I actually "LOL"d

Thank you.

Oo look here!

Not as much as I laughed at your attempt to prove something you couldn't.

And I don't hate...unless you try and take my freedom which is far from happening anytime soon.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

HEy! since were posting absurd list here is one I made parodying HAlo/shooter game and selfies. just PUTIN it out there.

Killing Sprees
Selfie Spree Kill 5 opponents while taking a selfie in a row without dying.
Selfie Frenzy Kill 10 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Selfie Riot Kill 15 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Selfie Rampage Kill 20 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Untouchable Selfie Kill 25 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Invincible Selfie Kill 30 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Inconceivable Selfie Kill 35 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Unfriggenbelievable Selfie Kill 40 opponents in a row while taking a selfie without dying.
Selfie Comeback Achieve a kill while taking a selfie after dying 3 times in a row.
Multi-Kills
Double Selfie Kill 2 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Triple Selfie Kill 3 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selfie kill Kill 4 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selftacular Kill 5 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selftrocity Kill 6 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selfamanjaro Kill 7 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selftastrophe Kill 8 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selfpocalypse Kill 9 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selfionaire Kill 10 opponents within 4.5 seconds of one another while taking a selfie.
Selftermination Wipe out an enemy team with at least an Overkill while taking a selfie.