World No Longer Bound to Defend Israel Internationally

originally posted by: voyger2
The Israeli electorate had a choice to make. By re-electing a leader who publicly reneged on his commitments to peace and a two-state solution, they voted against peace. What remains now is how the Palestinians and the world will react to the closure of the charade that was called the peace process.

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« Palestinians have for years lost hope in the peace process and have been telling everyone who is willing to listen that the Israeli leaders are merely giving lip service to it as their own bulldozers were gobbling up Palestinian lands. The world kept on believing in the lip service until the Israeli public forced their leader to state his case in Hebrew to his own people. Now that we know that Israel is not a democracy to all its citizens (see Netanyahu's racist comments about Arab citizens) and Netanyahu never meant his commitment to a Palestinian state, the world must react.»

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«The efforts by the UN's non-member state of Palestine to pursue Israel in the International Criminal Court must now be seen as a positive nonviolent act that is much kinder to Israel than what should happen to an occupying power. Instead of criticizing Palestine, the US and other western countries must praise the actions of Mahmoud Abbas as a moderate peaceful alternative to various offers of resistance.»

Christiane Amanpour said on CNN Tuesday:

without support for a Palestinian state, the Israeli leader is offering no alternative except for an apartheid-like situation where four million Palestinian under Israeli military control have no political rights.

Attempts to say that the conflict can be resolved if both parties just sit down and talk was based on the assumption that Israel is a democratic state for all its citizens and thus can't accept to politically disenfranchise another people and that the state of Israel accepts to replace the occupation with an independent Palestinian state. Both these assumptions have been wiped by Netanyahu and therefore Palestinians are no longer bound by the need to continue to pretend that the conflict can be solved simply through direct Palestinian-Israeli engagement.

The role and the responsibilities of the international community to resolve a conflict that all agree has poisoned the air in the Middle East region is now paramount. It is no longer acceptable that international instruments such as the Security Council and the International Criminal Court be disabled in favor of Israel. No one country should be allowed to be above international law. And Israel has now lost any chance of world powers protecting it from international justice.

World No Longer Bound to Defend Israel Internationally

Whats your opinion ATS?

And the Palestinians, or at least their government don't want peace either. Otherwise they would stop the aggression.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

It's just a matter of rhetoric.
Some call terrorists the same guys that are consider as resistance fighters by others.
Hamas would have reason to exist if Israel was showing respect towards the Palestinians.

originally posted by: Bone75

As a Christian I support the Jews, but I feel the state of Israel is taking advantage of our loyalty. The expansion of their settlements needs to stop... among other things.

“For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the evangelical community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book.

If a Christian admits ‘I believe the Bible,’ I can make him a pro-Israel supporter or they will have to denounce their faith.

So I have the Christians over a barrel, you might say.”

That's nice, this is a great vid of the 'jews' love for Christians too, but don't be upset, turn the other cheek ; p

a reply to: Rhiannon

The funny thing is, the Bible is pro-nation of Israel..right up to the point where St. Paul explains there are now 2 Israels. Barrels indeed!

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

It's just a matter of rhetoric.
Some call terrorists the same guys that are consider as resistance fighters by others.
Hamas would have reason to exist if Israel was showing respect towards the Palestinians.

OK...lets go with that. So that would make the 9/11 hijackers resistance fighters. Good luck selling that and the fact they are considered good martyrs and good Muslims by their people. Israel exists (not by their choice) in a place where they have been hated since day one...but they survive. And THAT makes their enemy all that much more angry. Oh...and on the Hamas thing, you are correct. They wouldn't continue to exist and just like any other animal, that is unacceptable to them. So guess who has a reason to keep the hate alive?

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: Rhiannon

The funny thing is, the Bible is pro-nation of Israel..right up to the point where St. Paul explains there are now 2 Israels. Barrels indeed!

Maybe I'm being dense, but I'm not sure which part of the bible that is. It's not the 'jews that say they are jews, but are not jews' part, or is it?

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: voyger2

And the Palestinians, or at least their government don't want peace either. Otherwise they would stop the aggression.

Yes, if only those damn semites would just stop their aggression against the jews that invaded, mass murdered and took the homes of the native semites haha hahahah hahaha proclaiming....

'WE ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.. WE ARE GOD'S FAVORITE... ON YOUR KNEES SEMITES OR ELSE!'

lol right they just need to accept their inferiority to the jews and everything will be just Peachy!

“The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued with Jewish teachings, and that in a Universal Brotherhood of nations

– a greater Judaism in fact –

ALL the separate races and religions shall disappear.” (emphasis mine)

– The Jewish World February 9, 1883

And I would have thought that most people here would have known about the 5 jew israeli's that were caught watching the twin towers come down from New Jersey and celebrating the destruction, since they were arrested for hanging out in a van across the way jumping for joy when the twin towers were hit. Those terrorists? Or is exhibiting such glee at the death of thousands of Americans okay?

Jerusalem at boiling point of polarisation and violence – EU report

Exclusive: Leaked report says city more divided than at any time since 1967 and calls for consideration of tougher sanctions over settlement building

A hard-hitting EU report on Jerusalem warns that the city has reached a dangerous boiling point of “polarisation and violence” not seen since the end of the second intifada in 2005. Calling for tougher European sanctions against Israel over its continued settlement construction in the city – which it blames for exacerbating recent conflict – the leaked document paints a devastating picture of a city more divided than at any time since 1967, when Israeli forces occupied the east of the city. The report has emerged amid strong indications that the Obama administration is also rethinking its approach to Israel and the Middle East peace process following the re-election of Binyamin Netanyahu as Israel’s prime minister. According to reports in several US papers, this may include allowing the passage of a UN security council resolution restating the principle of a two-state solution. The leaked report describes the emergence of a “vicious cycle of violence … increasingly threatening the viability of the two-state solution”, which it says has been stoked by the continuation of “systematic” settlement building by Israel in “sensitive areas” of Jerusalem.

This is a circle of no return.

What will Obama do at the UN when all the countries condemn Israel for building illegal settlements?

He supposed to be talking tough now but we'll see when another UN vote comes up and the US vetoes condemnation of its little imp Israel...or is Obama just talking crap about getting tough with Israel?


What will happen is Mossad will get one of its usual idiot Arab nuts to kill some Israelis and then the world will again start feeling sorry for poor little Israel as they go and slaughter thousands of Palestinians in retribution.

Its a scam that has run a 1000 times and has always worked!

Th every meaning of insanity!

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: buster2010

By THAT idea we must give back the land to the indians and Mexico we won YES?

Seeing how most of the Native Americans that the settlers stole the land from are dead it's kind of hard to give the land back to them don't you think? Also a good bit of land was bought from Mexico and Mexico abdicated a large amount of land so why give back land that they gave up? You really need a refresher course on American history.

originally posted by: Willtell

What will Obama do at the UN when all the countries condemn Israel for building illegal settlements?

He supposed to be talking tough now but we'll see when another UN vote comes up and the US vetoes condemnation of its little imp Israel...or is Obama just talking crap about getting tough with Israel?


What will happen is Mossad will get one of its usual idiot Arab nuts to kill some Israelis and then the world will again start feeling sorry for poor little Israel as they go and slaughter thousands of Palestinians in retribution.

Its a scam that has run a 1000 times and has always worked!

Th every meaning of insanity!

Well hopefully now that he's on his way out and doesn't have to worry about aipac et al he will cut ALL United States of AMERICA ties with the bastards! Cut off ALL the stealing of AMERICAN money to send to 'gods Chosen'

OMG, that alone, would be cause for dancing in the streets. We can rebuild America, get people working, no children in America should be without food and a home. Take a page from the Russians and Chinese and build a high-speed railway in the United States, kick out all ILLEGAL immigrants, kick the Rotchilds out of our banking system... ::sigh::

Maybe if all Americans focus our positive energy on American's it'll happen ... Hey! I need a HEART emoticon! : D

a reply to: Rhiannon

It's from several sources in Scripture, and was generally accepted until the Balfour Declaration. Rom. 2:28- 29 is a good start, as is Galatians 3:26-29. As always, remember even with this, there are ten zillion interpretations. Regardless, there is nothing, allow me to repeat, nothing in the Bible that says one must unconditionally support Israel when it engages in criminal/unethical behaviour.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: buster2010

By THAT idea we must give back the land to the indians and Mexico we won YES?

Seeing how most of the Native Americans that the settlers stole the land from are dead it's kind of hard to give the land back to them don't you think? Also a good bit of land was bought from Mexico and Mexico abdicated a large amount of land so why give back land that they gave up? You really need a refresher course on American history.

I dunno, I have to disagree with you on the Native American thing. I think what happened to the Native Americans is pretty close to what is happening to the Palestinians. They're the only race imo that one cannot say, 'if you don't like it here, go back to your own country'. It's very sad what was done to their culture.

a reply to: Ironhawke

Galatians 6:11-18

Final Instructions and Benediction

See what big letters I make as I write to you with my own hand!

Those who want to make a good showing in external matters are trying to force you to be circumcised. They do so only to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. For those who are circumcised do not obey the law themselves, but they want you to be circumcised so that they can boast about your flesh. But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that matters is a new creation! And all who will behave in accordance with this rule, peace and mercy be on them, and on the Israel of God.

From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear the marks of Jesus on my body.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.

Israeli army admits aiding al-Qaeda in Syria

An under-noticed news report last week confirmed previously-held suspicions and strong implications that Israeli troops are aiding the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda's official Syrian affiliate.

Speaking to Israeli occupation troops last week, a Wall Street Journal reporter on the ground in Mount Bental (part of the occupied Golan Heights) found that Israeli troops receive wounded al-Qaeda fighters, treat them in Israeli hospitals and send them back to continue fighting against the government in Syria.

The Nusra Front in August overran the Qunaitra crossing, the checkpoint between the Israeli-occupied and Syrian-controlled sectors of the Golan Heights. Israeli invaded that region of south-west Syria in 1967 and has illegally occupied most of the Golan Heights ever since.

As I pointed out in a previous column, the reports of UN peacekeeping forces since Nusra took over the checkpoint were highly suggestive of Israeli contacts and even military aid to the al-Qaeda rebels. But this Wall Street Journal report has confirmed the fact.

"We don't ask who they are, we don't do any screening," the unnamed Israeli military official told the paper of the hospital treatment of al-Qaeda fighters. "Once the treatment is done, we take them back to the border [sic - ceasefire line] and they go on their way [in Syria]," he said.

An unnamed military official also said there is an "understanding" between Israeli forces and al-Qaeda fighters there and that "there is a familiarity of the [al-Qaeda] forces on the ground".

Popular conspiracy theories have it that al-Qaeda and the "Islamic State" (also known as ISIS or ISIL) are Israeli- and/or US-intelligence creations. While there's no evidence for that, it's certainly true that the US-UK invasion of Iraq in 2003, and its consciously sectarian occupation regime of the country thereafter, created the conditions in which al-Qaeda in Iraq (later known as ISIS) was formed and thrived. Veteran journalist Patrick Cockburn demonstrates this most convincingly in his essential new book The Rise of Islamic State, which I have previously lauded here.

And now it seems that Israel is in a direct alliance with al-Qaeda in Syria. This is a tactical alliance, meant purely to bleed the country and prolong the civil war.

Read the quotes from Israeli officials in recent months about the Nusra Front and you will see a strange sort of soft-peddling of the group, casting them as a kind of "moderate al-Qaeda" if you will.

"Nusra is a unique version of al-Qaeda," retired Brigadier General Michael Herzog told the Wall Street Journal. "They manage to cooperate with non-Islamist and non-jihadi organizations in one coalition." Herzog is a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP, the think tank of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the première Israel lobby group in the US) and former chief of staff for Israel's defence minister. The Nusra Front "are totally focused on the war in Syria and aren't focused on us," he claimed. "But when Hezbollah and Iran and others are pushing south, they are very much focused on us."

Hizballah and Iran, allies of the Bashar al-Assad regime, are aiding the government in Syria and fighting on the ground alongside Syrian army troops against al-Qaeda, the "Islamic State" and other Sunni rebel groups.

Even before Nusra took over the Qunairtra checkpoint in August, reports suggested Israel seemed on rather friendly terms with the al-Qaeda affiliate.

In June, army spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner told Foreign Policy that the Israeli government has provided medical assistance to more than 1,000 Syrians over the past fourteen months. "We give medical aid to people who are in dire need," he said in a telephone interview with the magazine, echoing the statement made last week to the Wall Street Journal. "We don't do any vetting or check where they are from or which group they are fighting for, or whether they are civilians."

Ehud Yaari, an Israeli fellow at WINEP, admitted that Israeli assistance has benefited fighters: "The wounded are both fighters and civilians but there are not too many civilians left because of the fighting raging there ... Close to 900 Syrians have been treated in Israel."

Foreign Policy reports that, even earlier than June 2014, in March 2013: "Some 400 armed opposition fighters, backed by artillery fire from three tanks, seized a Syrian military outpost atop a hill at Tal al-Garbi, planting four black flags and raising concern that extremist groups are moving into the zone.

"More than two weeks later, opposition fighters captured two other strategically important hilltop military outposts in Tal al-Jabiya and Tal al-Sharqi.

"'In the afternoon of 24 April, two members of the armed opposition displayed the severed head of a presumed Syrian armed forces officer as they passed' a UN outpost, according to the [UN] report. By the end of April [2013], UN observers 'detected the flying of black flags believed to be associated with militant groups scattered throughout the central and southern part of the area of separation, including three Syrian armed forces positions captured by the armed members of the opposition.'"

So Israeli aid to al-Qaeda in Syria may have been ongoing for as long as nearly two years now. But what is sure is that Israeli aid to al-Qaeda in Syria has now been confirmed.

a reply to: Rhiannon

But that is not true anymore in our country's case. We respect that the native americans have just as much rights or more than we do to be here. But cant change history now, we are all here now. The Nez Perce tribe have become great capitalists (casinos, fisheries, tourist), great social programs, good schools. Netty said he does not want a two state solution at all. Can't work with that.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Unlike the Palestinians, the 9/11 hijackers were foreigners send on mission.
Resistance fighters are on their 'homeland' fighting an 'invader'.
There is no reason to consider a 9/11 hijacker as anything else than a religiously instrumentalized terrorist.

a reply to: buster2010

HARDLEY.
You seem to forget the territories ,as you did say SOME, that were lost in conflict vaildating my question,which is the same thing . But because you like Ayn should we return the territories lost in conflict?

originally posted by: Rhiannon

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: Rhiannon

The funny thing is, the Bible is pro-nation of Israel..right up to the point where St. Paul explains there are now 2 Israels. Barrels indeed!

Maybe I'm being dense, but I'm not sure which part of the bible that is. It's not the 'jews that say they are jews, but are not jews' part, or is it?

THE OT is what applies to the jews actually. Thats what i am thinking he means. I can argue that to that jewish guy who says he can make me a believer in his way of thinking by explaining that it specifically talks about his people and not the gentile.

the NT is for Gentiles.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: buster2010

Funny how you go back in history but ignore how the Romans kicked the Jews out in around 70 AD...

So was it right for the Romans to kick the Jews out then? So it could essentially be said that the Palestinians took advantage of the Jews being kicked out of their land just as the Americans did with the Native Americans.

I mean... really? This back and forth could go on and on and on.

You left out one little thing there was no international laws back then that said annexing land by force is illegal. We have had those laws ever since WW2 every inch of land past what the Zionist groups were given is stolen land and should be given back.

There was no international law when America took the land from the native Americans. So why do you keep bringing up the indians as an excuse for how Israel taking the land is wrong? By your logic, the indians should be chucking rockets outside the reservations onto US cities. Further, I don't recall the last time America called for the destruction of all native american reservations. Seems like there's quite a few distinctions being forgotten in this indian example.

Then why aren't the Israeli's asking their leaders about the constant occupation of Palestinian land? Why don't they ask their leaders about the constant kidnapping of Palestinians? When was the last time Hamas occupied Israeli land? How often does Hamas kidnap Israelis? The Israeli government seems to be more of a terrorist government than Hamas (a organization that Israel helped to create) could ever be.

And the Palestinians don't ask hamas about Israeli kidnappings, attacking civilians, etc? This back and forth will never end.

Just an observation. I'm probably just as guilty on this topic or any middle east topic, but we (at least here in the USA) need to remember that people are NOT the same everywhere. Us saying "they should do this" or "they shouldn't do that" is baseless and really kind of stupid. For example...one father can raise his son without ever spanking him. He can then look across the street at a father that does spank his son and say...what a bad father. But without knowing the son, he could be way off base. The son may not respond to logic or verbal reprise and may NEED to be spanked to obtain the same level as his own son.

We don't live over there. We don't know how these people think, what is important to them, what the culture is...we just assume (incorrectly IMHO) that they are just like us or want to be just like us. They may not, and likely don't! Our morals may not work...or incentives may not matter, but we sit here judging both sides like we actually know something.

So I will throw out this idea, as horrible as it may sound. We (the USA) took out Saddam under the idea that "he is bad" but based upon our definition of "bad". Since then, everything has gone to hell. All our efforts to "help"...haven't. Maybe Saddam knew something we didn't...that maybe, the people over there NEED a vicious dictator in order to act civilized and function as a community. Maybe they are more violent or angry...or whatever and only understand the like. Maybe we didn't realize they needed to be spanked and couldn't simply be verbally chastised.

Maybe the father across the street is doing what he must to keep his son on the straight and narrow, for the benefit of the son, and maybe we should keep our opinions to ourselves. Or risk looking ignorant by opening our pie holes.