5.3 million year old vehicle tracks found in Turkey

a reply to: buddhism

I get being skeptical ... and 9.99 times out of 10 these claims are either totally bogus or at best (and sorry but Russia is pretty famous for this) badly reasoned out and slanted by a weird agenda.

I don't know about this claim... a softer stone and modern vehicles is the likeliest answer... or a modern mud flat that is misrepresented as millions year old stone... but who knows... and rank ridicule might (MIGHT) be misplaced, and doesn't further the chaotic frontiers of knowledge, regardless.

But wow... what if? Though the lack of any other sources isn't encouraging.

They're glacial striations... or glacial grooves.

Glacial Striations

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: buddhism

But wow... what if? Though the lack of any other sources isn't encouraging.

Someone posted a picture from Oregon that looked very similar. Also, there are the tracks on Malta that have been known for quite some time.

One of the major problems in my opinion is that Archeology as a whole don't seem to want to examine the subject. If they don't have a opinion, its because they never looked, seriously. Something like the folks that came to this thread with suggestions and declarations, but never viewed the evidence presented in the video.

Yea, what if???

I think that it's possible they were cart tracks worn into the rock. They will wear out the rock a lot quicker than you would think, especially if the tracks get wet or frozen in the winter and create a lot of flocculation of the rock with consistent freezing and thawing. I don't think anybody is claiming the cart tracks in this rock in Texas are millions of years old.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

I suggested that way back but it wasn't taken well.

I think it is either mud not rock as most likely or glacial striation.

My guess is the channels were cut shallow and then some type of sled made of wood carrying large stones pulled down them after thi9ck slick mud was put in the channels.
A little sand in with the mud would have acted like a Diamond saw and cut even deeper into the rock.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

The most recent glaciation didn't reach "down" there... but earlier ones... could be... but back to their claims...

if it is as they say it is and the grooves are really as illustrated with their examples, some of the imprints are not usual for glacial striations... too regular... too square... add the matching, parallel groove and it's a 'head scratcher.'

But it hinges on their reporting and if one has a paradigm to follow, one can explain it away as poor reporting of the facts and get to sleep at night in a world with an intact timeline.

originally posted by: evc1shop
I have never seen these before. Thank you!
Makes one wonder when intelligent life really started on this planet.

After watching the 2016 American Presidential campaign cycle start to ramp.up, I find myself wondering if it will ever start on this planet...
But seriously, interesting find.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I skimmed through the replies but didn't glimpse anyone posting this info.


The tracks have been made in Tufa Stone which is a very soft stone. It is cast in jewelry for that reason. It is a sort of limestone that can be easily carved, sanded, or ground down.

I read that too. You have to translate the article to get that bit.

Another suspicious thing about the claim - google gives exactly two returns on this (as of yesterday.)
The site linked here and this very thread at ATS.

This indicates (to me) that the claim is bogus because there should be much more than this if it was really some new discovery.

Harte

So the claim in the OP that it is granite is bogus?

The video in the OP says that it is tufa stone but claims tufa stone is still hard which it isn't. That right there should tell everyone they are playing on people's ignorance thinking they will not fact check them.

Not everyone will.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

They're glacial striations... or glacial grooves.

Seems to be the most logical explanation. They were left by a massive glacier during the ice age.

Perhaps not originally this large and perfectly cut, but eroded by water, etc. over time.

geez...c'mon people, the rock itself might be 5 million years old, but there is no way in hell that you can "date the ruts"...maybe if you went down in the earth a couple of hundred feet and opened up pristine geological layers, that have not been exposed for 5 million years, I might buy it....

originally posted by: jimmyx
geez...c'mon people, the rock itself might be 5 million years old, but there is no way in hell that you can "date the ruts"...maybe if you went down in the earth a couple of hundred feet and opened up pristine geological layers, that have not been exposed for 5 million years, I might buy it....

Totally agree. There is no Rut marker, no index.
If they were wheels/wagons, then there might be some hunk of wood in a jagged area that could be carbon dated.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: theabsolutetruth

The most recent glaciation didn't reach "down" there... but earlier ones... could be, but back to their claims... if it as they say it is and are as (badly) illustrated with examples, some of the imprints are not usual for glacial striations... too regular... add the matching, parallel groove and it's a head scratcher.

But it hinges on their reporting and if one has a paradigm to follow, one can explain it away as poor reporting of the facts.

I have not been there to verify their findings, I can only go by what they present. And if they say the bottom of the groves are square and parallel, Then this is what I have to work with.

The third illustration is what they claim they have discovered. This is for the people who refuse to watch the video.



In as far as I know, Glaciers do not just pick up square rocks and drag them in pairs, equally spaced, mile after mile after mile.

Scratch your heads and start putting a new paradigm together.

originally posted by: Blarneystoner
They're glacial striations... or glacial grooves.

Glacial Striations

Hence my Mars and water run off which I might have explained badly.

After reading both sides of this argument I have to lean to the side of the debunkers and say that this is something other than what the title says it is. Eh, but I dare not interfere or try to stop debate on the subject. After all when I first read the title, I thought it said 5.3 million year old turkey tracks found in vehicle.

Flinstone kind maybe?

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

As straight as the lines made in the STONE are and also taking notice of how clearly defined these "Tracks" are leads me to believe it couldn't have been a natural formation.

Sad to say it but, these tracks wreak of intelligent design.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

I love this. Yes before man came out of the caves they drove vehicles dudes. Are some of you intentionally insane?

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

These ruts and track-like grooves are very similar, if not identical to those discovered criss-crossing all over the island of Malta...



www.amusingplanet.com...

The grooves on Malta are still a mystery too.

Maybe there is a common cause for them?

nice find op. it is certainly interesting