Spirituality might work if it wasn't so stupid.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You don't stop being spiritual, if you are spiritual it is a part of your every day life. Like I said, you have no understanding of what spirituality is. One does not "stop" being spiritual during certain parts of their day. You're confusing spirituality with meditation or whatever you think spirituality is. Spirituality is a way of life, not an action or ritual as you seem to think.

I don't think that is true at all. What have you done that is spiritual today?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The greater understanding of reality

I think the road to understanding is compassion and empathy

With that the hostility may ease and then one can see better

light rather than fire

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Spirituality is a state of mind, it is not an action. I treat others as I would want to be treated. Is that a single action or is it a way of life that carries me through my day?

Like I have been saying, you have a gross misunderstanding of what spirituality is.

a reply to: Willtell

The greater understanding of reality

How is reality found within?

I think I have gone over this thoroughly already.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Spirituality is a state of mind, it is not an action. I treat others as I would want to be treated. Is that a single action or is it a way of life that carries me through my day?

Like I have been saying, you have a gross misunderstanding of what spirituality is.

How is that different than anyone else? Try treating others how they want to be treated, rather than how you want to be treated. But this would entail a consideration of others over oneself.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Reality is found within just like you discourse through your intellect and conclude things through the mind

The idea of seeing reality from within is about sharpening the focus of the inward faculties of awareness through concentration

For most it takes a lifetime but some it can happen in an instance, rarely though.



In spiritual doctrines there is a principle called “veils” often allegorized in teaching stories.

These veils are such as pre-conceived notions, prejudices, and hostilities. They block understanding and seeing reality as it is

When these things are ameliorated one becomes more capable of seeing reality as it is on some levels…development can take place.

Genuine spirituality to me is all about removing these veils

When that occurs higher perception can take place

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You misunderstood my meaning.

Treating others how I would want to be treated means exactly what you said. I want to be treated with respect, so me treating others how I would want to be treated is to treat them with respect, a.k.a. how they want to be treated. Everyone wants to be treated with respect don't they? If not, I respect that wish as well by not messing with them at all and separating myself from them. If they want to be treated with disrespect then someone else can do that for them.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you not see that atoms transcend our reality and we are made from atoms the unseen is real and I hate the word spirituality because it gives ppl a nice little box to generalize a group of ppl. spiritual ppl can be religious it's all about being positive and believing there is something more than just 3 dimensional plane. That if you are moral and don't give in to the decay of civilization you can achieve happiness, benefits and peace.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

As always I enjoy your writing and you make me think. That's a good thing, thanks. Also the following argmentation is pretty funny, because here we have three smart people with strong opinions and no one will give in. Everybody is right.
I just would like to share a few more observations, Yoga, meditation and all of that can be really helpfull, for those in need of a few moments of clarity and "emptyness" per day, but it is just that. Of course you won't learn anything new if you don't have any input, but that is not what the goal is, or it shouldn't be, or wasn't in the very beginning.
It is observation of the ego and how your personality got altered and tainted from unpleasant experiences, so all of this "get rid off the ego" is highly misunderstood and should have nothing to do with spirituality. It is more a way of learning how to find the roots of your emotions, why this and that makes you feel in one way or another. There is an experience you can get rewarded with after you forgive yourself, learned to be humble and descent, there is a collective mind you can actually get connected to. It has nothing to do with ghosts angels or any of that. But the moment you know why you are who you are, you can more easily understand and see why others are who they are and forgive them for being stupid.
Most people do "spiritual things, because they want to be seen while doing it, that is the exact opposite of what is intended. It is about learning how to see. Cleaning your perception filter and your personal bias rooted in your ego. The second you think this makes you "higher" or "lower" or anything, you already left the track. It is about transcendence, true humanism, when everybodys strenghts and weaknesses appear so obvious, like they have them written all over their faces. I have to clean myself in order to get an untainted vision of others behaviours.

Anyway I got to go

Just try to dispute in the best manner

You both have worthy ideas


Peace

a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The concept is to know thy self, accept thy self, forget thy self.The purpose of meditating is to go inward to get to know yourself. Most people do not know themselves at all. Most people are more into things that are outward like Tv, movies, music etc which are good in it's place but they don't balance it out. There are a lot of people that cant sit quietly and think.They are scared of their own thoughts so fill it with noise.

It sounds like you have never tried to meditate or maybe tried it once and thought that it was a waste of time. It is a focus on yourself to know yourself(love yourself). You cant truly love someone if you don't love yourself and when you love yourself you get the contentment and all the good things you point out about your friends. They are over themselves because as you said they are indifferent as to what people think of them( it is really they don't have a big ego). Maybe you should try and meditate again and get over yourself and things like this won't bother you.

a reply to: Willtell

Reality is found within just like you discourse through your intellect and conclude things through the mind

The idea of seeing reality from within is about sharpening the focus of the inward faculties of awareness through concentration

Personally, my discourse is about and derived from what I've examined outside of myself. Logic, grammar and rhetoric are simply tools of expression, always used after the fact. If I'm wrong, my tale of reality can be easily shown how.

Concentration and focus is an important ability, and best served if one is focused on something rather than nothing.

a reply to: celticdog

We get to know ourselves in how we relate to other things. Going inward is closing oneself off. I understand it feels nice; I understand one is exploring his cerebral abilities; but that brain power, which is an important natural resource, is being wasted.

People who seem attached to TVs, and other tripe, aren't more into any particular thing, but into their own satisfaction. They are chasing a feeling. I don't see any difference between this and spirituality.

a reply to: christophoros

Do you not see that atoms transcend our reality and we are made from atoms the unseen is real and I hate the word spirituality because it gives ppl a nice little box to generalize a group of ppl. spiritual ppl can be religious it's all about being positive and believing there is something more than just 3 dimensional plane. That if you are moral and don't give in to the decay of civilization you can achieve happiness, benefits and peace.

If you believe there is something more, but are unable to account for it, you are unsatisfied with what is. Plain and simple. This is longing, and want.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Willtell

Reality is found within just like you discourse through your intellect and conclude things through the mind

The idea of seeing reality from within is about sharpening the focus of the inward faculties of awareness through concentration

Personally, my discourse is about and derived from what I've examined outside of myself. Logic, grammar and rhetoric are simply tools of expression, always used after the fact. If I'm wrong, my tale of reality can be easily shown how.

Concentration and focus is an important ability, and best served if one is focused on something rather than nothing.

What if there is a part of "you" hiding in the unconscious that you are afraid of letting surface into the conscious and therefor refuse to have moments in contemplation just being aware of everything around you being a silent (in the mind) observer of yourself?

One of the reason people meditate is to learn how to turn off chatter in the brain. To then be able to focus on one thing to a higher degree.

Spirituality makes a whole lot more sense than religion.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If you believe there is something more, but are unable to account for it, you are unsatisfied with what is. Plain and simple. This is longing, and want.

Yes, it is what every explorer feels. Even science wouldn't be what it is today if people didn't feel unsatisfied with what is.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

What if there is a part of "you" hiding in the unconscious that you are afraid of letting surface into the conscious and therefor refuse to have moments in contemplation just being aware of everything around you being a silent (in the mind) observer of yourself?

One of the reason people meditate is to learn how to turn off chatter in the brain. To be able to focus to a higher degree.

What if there isn't a "you" hiding in the unconscious? Actually, we already know that. We've looked.

Why turn off the chatter in the brain rather than use it? I don't like the idea of suppressing our abilities because we cannot handle them.

a reply to: daskakik

Yes, it is what every explorer feels. Even science wouldn't be what it is today if people didn't feel unsatisfied with what is.

People explore places they can actually go to.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The ones with big egos don't care how they relate to others and are crass to people. Do they know themselves or are they hurting themselves and pushing away their true selves. You can be good and relate to people but not be in touch with yourself at all. People bury their hurt feelings get angry and yet wonder why they feel the way they do.There is a disconnect and people put walls up.That is why they have psychiatry,psychology.