"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

a reply to: mirageman

Actually, the Air Force did in fact, add ET to the mix, but cover-up went full effect after the Robertson Report. Before that the release of the report, the Air Force had ordered its pilots to shoot down flying saucers.

In regard to the Air Force Link, it is not a good idea to use it if it has Project Blue Book written on the page. An example is when an RB-47 was accompanied and outmaneuvered by a UFO for over an hour and over multiple states above 30,000 feet.

The Air Force Blue Book conclusion was that the UFO that trailed the jet bomber was a propeller-driven American Airliner DC-6, which was actually many miles away during the incident and incapable of flying at the altitude and velocity of the RB-47 jet bomber.

The pilot of that jet bomber was Lewis D. Chase, who would eventually become involved in writing a report involving UFOs interfering with our Minuteman missiles. Those cases involved my base, which was Hill AFB, because Hill was the depot for the Minuteman missile and why my base became involved in the UFO investigations.

Defense contractors who were involved in the investigation included the Boeing Aircraft Company. It was eventually confirmed that the missiles were disabled by an external electromagnetic source and at that time, a flying saucer was reported hovering over the missile field by security personnel.

Such incidents occurred time and time again, so to sum it up, many people in this country are unaware of what is going on behind the closed doors of the government.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Anaana

I hope I haven't missed your point? But before you become too absorbed in the potential impact of rocket launches I think I better point out that the rocket booster falling to earth late in the evening of Christmas Day 1980 was from the Soviet Cosmos 749 (ELINT) Satellite. The satellite was launched back in 1975 and fell to earth in September 1980 before it's spent boosters. So we are only dealing with a 'space junk re-entry event' at around 9pm over England. Even though no trace of this rocket has been recovered as it is assumed to have fell into the North Sea.

Full Details : Journal of the British Astronomical Association

It was this particular event that I suspect may have triggered alerts at Woodbridge/Bentwaters that something (then thought to be an aircraft) had crashed into Rendlesham Forest. The small team that left base then became embroiled in a chain of events that went on for 3 nights. Had the rocket booster not came down in that place or time then I am postulating that the encounters with strange phenomena may never have happened.

However that does not explain what the USAF personnel did encounter.

It is highly unlikely that the fireball was visible at the Woodbridge base. According to this report, luminous re-entry started above South Morocco. The remaining debris of the satellite came in over Britain from the south-west near Eastbourne Beachy head.
The end-point of the final luminous fragment was in the region of Clacton, which is 30 km south-west of Woodbridge. An all-sky camera located south-west of the Woodbridge base at Ipswich recorded nothing.

So nothing was visible at the Woodbridge base.

a reply to: Guest101

Aah yes I overlooked that point about the sky camera at Ipswich. Wonder if it picked up anything else afterwards?

a reply to: skyeagle409

In regard to the Air Force Link, it is not a good idea to use it if it has Project Blue Book written on the page. An example is when an RB-47 was accompanied and out maneuvered by a UFO for over an hour and over multiple states above 30,000 feet.

Eh? The Air Force's official public position is clearly printed on it's web site so it is not a good idea to use it? Exactly where you are going with the rest of your points in relation to the main content in this thread? They seem to be drifting further and further off topic without much relevance to the OP at all now.

The thread is specifically about John Burroughs, the Rendlesham Case, Project Condign and what may have been the cause of Burroughs' injuries leading to a successful claim against the US DoD.

If you wish to talk about other cases that are tangential and barely related to the topic of the thread then may I politely suggest you use one of the other relevant thread such as this one . Or perhaps start your own?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Anaana

I hope I haven't missed your point? But before you become too absorbed in the potential impact of rocket launches I think I better point out that the rocket booster falling to earth late in the evening of Christmas Day 1980 was from the Soviet Cosmos 749 (ELINT) Satellite. The satellite was launched back in 1975 and fell to earth in September 1980 before it's spent boosters. So we are only dealing with a 'space junk re-entry event' at around 9pm over England. Even though no trace of this rocket has been recovered as it is assumed to have fell into the North Sea.

No, no, you're totally right...and now you've re-engaged my brain, what I posted is the wrong stuff anyway, that relates to ionospheric disturbance not mesospheric.

Just a brain fart from start to finish...apologies.

Something about less haste, more speed, springs to mind.

For those interested in Colonel Halt's "Return to Rendlesham" a guy called Ben Emlyn-Jones made a film of the day (with complete permission of the organisers). Unfortunately that film was taken down from Youtube after claims of copyright infringement by a participant (not Halt).

However a cut down snapshot has been created so you can all hear the Colonel speak, perhaps for the last time, in England.

a reply to: mirageman

The Air Force's official public position is clearly printed on it's web site so it is not a good idea to use it?

And, what was the Air Force's official position from 1947 to 1994 one what was responsible for the Roswell incident? A weather ball.

Now, what is the Air Force's official position on what was responsible for the Roswell incident? A Mogul balloon train #4 that never was. You have to understand how the Air Force dupes those who are not in the habit of doing homework to ascertain the rest of the story.

The thread is specifically about John Burroughs, the Rendlesham Case, Project Condign and what may have been the cause of Burroughs' injuries leading to a successful claim against the US DoD.

It was no secret that UFOs were seen over the area on multiple nights. In fact, jets were scrambled when the UFOs appeared over that general area in 1956.

The full version of "Colonel Halt's Return to Rendlesham" by Ben Emlyn-Jones has now been restored by Youtube.



It's a long movie but catches the Colonel in the Forest as well as at Woodbridge. Some of the other witnesses may contest what he had to say.

The whole Russian Spacecraft incident wasn't even on the same day as the incident that is under discussion. Nothing was seen, at least by military personnel on the base as far as we know, until the early morning of the 26th of December around 3 am, that's almost 6 hours after the Russian re-entry incident. One has to question quite why anyone, who is being totally honest, even mentions this with reference to the incidents of the early morning of the 26th?

On top of the visual observations both in the air and on the ground, there are several radar observations:

Burroughs in “Unsolved Mysteries – Bentwaters UFO (1991)”:

“We started now on foot towards the lights. At that point we got a radio transmission. They just got in contact from Heathrow tower in London that an object had been seen over our base and that it had disappeared on radar.”

[ All Unsolved Mysteries episodes have been removed from Youtube, so you’ll have to buy the DVD … www.amazon.com... ]

Nevels in his Earthfiles interview (2010):

“The story that I got from Lieutenant Englund was that the London tower, on December 25 when all this started, contacted the tower at Woodbridge base and asked them to identify the object that was above them because it was on their radar and they could not determine what it was.”

[ earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/audio/mp3/EarthFilesEpisode69_high.mp3 ]

Halt in a recent interview (2015):

I have confirmation from the air traffic control people … they saw the object go across their 60 mile (96km) scope in two or three seconds, thousands of miles an hour, it came back across their scope again, stopped near the water tower, which wasn’t far from them. They observed it, they watched it go over and go into the forest where we were.
Wattisham radar, eastern radar we called it, definitely picked something up what they called a ‘bogie’ and lost it near Rendlesham Forest.

a reply to: Guest101

I've heard a few of the witnesses mention "Heathrow" or "London" Tower tracking something on radar. But no one ever pursued it. It's probably far too late now to get any information now but it could have been vital at the time.

News on eartfiles.com: Bustinza will speak publicly next Thursday

The RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge mysteries and more — next 2-hour broadcast with John Burroughs and Linda Moulton Howe on Thursday, August 27, 2015, will be first time that former RAF Bentwaters D Flight Security Sergeant Adrian Bustinza will speak publicly about the unidentified aerial phenomena that he saw in Rendlesham Forest on December 27 and 28, 1980. Don't miss this exclusive interview!

a reply to: Guest101

Thank you very much for that information.

It seems the broadcast details are Phenomenon Radio Welcomes Adrian Bustinza

Adrian Bustinza joined then U.S.A.F in 1977.After completing his basic training and the Security police academy Adrian was assigned to Mather Air Force Base, California. During this time he witnessed a UFO hovering over the base near to the weapons storage area. Nothing more was said about the UFO and he was never debriefed on the incident. Adrian was assigned to R.A.F Bentwaters , Suffolk, England in 1980,.At Bentwaters Adrian was promoted to Sergeant.

On the night of December 27 ending in the early mourning hours of Dec 28th 1980 Adrian was the Security Supervisor on Woodbridge and became a primary witnesses to the third night of U.F.O activities in Rendlesham forest.After separating from the U.S.A.F in 1982 Adrian studied criminology and corrections at Alvin Community College graduating in 1988.Today Adrian is retired from the Texas Dept. Of Criminal Justice and now work with the TJJD continuing to try and make a difference in the lives of Juveniles.

Could be interesting as John Burroughs will be a co-host.

Now I don't know if you are in the UK like me but that's 8 EST is 1am in the morning so I won''t be able to catch this live.
KGRA is also a subscription channel for archives. So if you find a way to listen can you let me know?

Regards MM

Here’s a summary, it does not cover the whole show but it focuses on Adrian’s memories.

In the last half hour Larry also joined the show, and halfway the show a Sgt Smith tells his story, he stayed behind at East Gate and saw the lights above the forest and taking off. Sgt Smith also had his own encounter earlier, at the base perimeter fence, where he saw an amber moving light with a dark centre in the forest that moved along the fence up to his location. Two of his colleagues joined him. One of them jumped the fence and the amber light just vanished.

But here’s how Adrian’s story went:

Adrian first went to East Gate where the guard was startled by strange lights outside the base. He contacted CSC and heard that the Whiskey Tower has seen strange lights, too. From East Gate he went back to Bentwaters in his Jeep, picked up Lt Englund and Sgt Ball, and drove back to East Gate where they drove into the forest.

There already were some people there, and Adrian was given another vehicle and sent back to collect some light-all’s. When he returned with the light-all’s they were not functioning so he was sent back once more to collect new ones (this may be at the start of the Halt tape, where Halt says they are going to get another light-all because the current one isn’t working).

When he returned for the second time, the new light-all’s wouldn’t start either, although they had been tested and functioned fine when they were still at the base.

Then he was summoned to go out into the forest area and try to locate the lights that were up moving around in the forest. There were quite a few people out there, including some of the shift members that got off from the prior shift.

They encountered several animals that at one point were being very loud and at another point became very quiet and still. Then the lights started appearing. It seemed they were manoeuvring between trees. The lights were blue, red, and orange, and also a bluish, whitish tint.

At one point somebody mentioned it could be the lighthouse but that was dismissed because the lights came around behind them, and were also shining down on them from the sky without any noise.

They continued on and basically were chasing lights. People started to get excited. At some point people were running, at another point a couple of airmen actually cried and said they were scared.

Some special things he remembers:

- At one point he fell and remembers being helped up. He looked up and said ‘what’s with the mist?’ He saw a yellow haze about three foot off the ground. It was unlike normal fog.

- At one point the lights were above them and they could feel their warmth. One of the lights was bigger – a big ball of light - and had an amber colour. When it took off it changed colour to a whitish blueish tint, and it took off so quickly that they felt like a cool draft. Then it burst into about five different pieces.

- At one point the amber lights were in the air and a light shone down. The light was fuzzy, like a snowy TV or like dust particles caught in headlights at night. Larry walked around it and Bustinza stayed put. The light area was like a snowy picture and Bustinza could see silhouettes that looked like bodies, like reflections but not quite reflections. He couldn’t tell whether they were beings or the shadows of the men. A bit later the object/light just burst into different parts.

John asked both Larry and Adrian if they remember that at one point it exploded in a triangular type object. Both Larry and Adrian confirm this and Adrian adds that it looked like it just came apart like a bubble that bursts into different smaller bubbles. The exact shape or structure of the ‘triangular type object’ is not further discussed.

Later Bustinza was near Col Halt, and remembers talking to Lt Englund momentarily and Sgt Ball. John was talking to Col Halt and was pressing the issue about going back out into the forest. Halt told John he could go and he told Adrian to go with him.

In the forest something similar happens as earlier that night, when Larry was with Adrian. At one point John got a few meters in front of Adrian and was in a little clearing in between some trees. A light from above suddenly just shone on John, like somebody turned a switch on. Adrian looked at John and then felt like he himself was pushed down, as if he got pushed from behind. He tried to break his fall and his left hand went into the lighted area. It startled him so he jumped back up and at the same time felt like he was pulled back up. He looked at John, who was trying to look up into the light and also looked at himself, at his arms and his hands. Just like the earlier episode with Larry, the light was fuzzy, like a snowy TV or like dust particles caught in headlights at night. Adrian also remembers seeing a silhouette in the light, like with Larry, but this time it was just one and it was not as sharply defined as the previous time. Then the light went out. Adrian remembers the light being very bright and it felt a bit warm.

a reply to: Guest101

Again thanks for that summary Guest101

I have also found a small snippet which is worth a listen : Click Here

I wouldn't object to paying a small fee for a one off show like this but I don't want to be locked into paying for a subscription to KGRA. Most of the shows I would never listen to.

Yes, that was the most interesting part of the show. Larry and John together, wow! Finally these men are getting older and wiser...

Amber, red, orange, blue, bluish whitish, and hazy/snowy …
Sounds like a cold atmospheric plasma to me.

A plasma basically absorbs and scatters part of the light that enters it, and is also self-luminous.
You need strong electromagnetic fields to generate and confine an atmospheric plasma. The presence of ionizing radiation ‘helps’ to create and sustain the plasma.

At 0:52 in the first video below you can see the snowy TV effect in a plasma, due to the grainy structure of the applied electric field.
The two videos that follow give an impression of the colours that an atmospheric plasma can have, depending on the energy of the plasma.

UFO’s have been linked to plasma by McCampbell in 1973: free online book at NICAP, chapter on plasma





The comparison with ‘bubbles’ made by Adrian makes me think of the Hessdalen research.
In this article you can see what I mean, in figures 7 and 10:
www.cnes-geipan.fr...
“observed light spheres are in reality composed of many secondary spheres”

At 1:30 in the video below you see an effect where the spheres seem to multiply like bubbles, the video was shot at Hessdalen:

a reply to: Guest101

Thanks for that. I still haven't found a copy of the whole Bustinza interview but I'll keep trying.

I've also used that Hessdalen video myself a few times on here to illustrate how UFOs can be something that isn't necessarily aliens in spaceships! It's a good little film at just over 6 mins.

And the plasma theory has been round a long time. I posted up a summary of Andrew Pike's own scientific study of Rendlesham back in the other Rendlesham Christmas Story thread. His theories are based on something plasma like being present at the time of the incident. The article I based it on is over 5 years old and the magazine it featured in is now out of print. I wonder if Andrew Pike would consider making it available on the web somewhere?

I'll see if he can be contacted. I know he was getting a lot of false accusations from nutters on the internet so I'm not holding my breath.

a reply to: mirageman

I agree with your statement, but lets not forget the DOD are the same people who swore in court and remained defiant regarding the existence of Area 51 until they were presented with photographs of the base and forced to admit it actually existed.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Very true.

I was basing that particular statement on the evidence presented to enable John Burroughs to win this case. Specifically the UK MoD Condign report which suggests that this 'UAP radiation' is a naturally occurring phenomenon under certain atmospheric conditions.

a reply to: Guest101

I have found the full interview now : Click here

Not sure how long it will remain up on the tube though so get it while you can.