"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

a reply to: Anaana

Could be, too, that I misunderstand you, because you seem to have a greater grasp of the totality and even cutting-edge "black magik" technologies and concepts in social engineering that are definitely aimed at significant degree of what can only be called mind control. That stuff you are sharing in Vampyr thread to include the New Scientist stuff is vital reading, imo, in understanding that "mind control" research and advances never stopped. Unethical experimentation has never stopped. To believe otherwise at this point is basically willful ignorance.

That we pretty much have an admission that Burroughs took on some nasty EM/RF begs some questions in regards the assertions I make in the above paragraph.

I believe--if memory serves correctly--that adverse health and mental effects of various EM fields were first noticed to a large degree in the U.K. in WWII era. Along withe idea of weaponizing it. I also recall some installation(s) in the U.K. that were maybe emitting (as by-product) harmful amounts of EM-based fields besides that being mentioned in context with the protests.

There is also a very intriguing set of projects--initially U.K.-based?--that looked at the weaponization of ball lightning and plasma excitation and such. Apparently those projects informed some of the comments in Project Condign. They probably noticed some pretty freaky and potentially "militarily useful" effects in those experiments too.

I'll dig some of that up, if someone doesn't come to my rescue before I can get to it.

Project Kugelblitz by Nick Redfern

a reply to: Jukiodone

Jukio, have you found any specific technologies in your recent research that might have bearing here? I know you went pretty deep.

a reply to: The GUT

Apparently those projects informed some of the comments in Project Condign.

They probably noticed some pretty freaky and potentially "militarily useful" effects in those experiments too.

Hey,

It's not a "They", it's a him or her; PC's report has a single author.

As a person that is approaching the whole ball o' wax as a literary /puzzle/problem/pursuit I find that to be a very important point that is often overlooked.



P.S. By the way, you are right, He/She did. Most of it is in UAPoUKADR Vol. 2 Parts A, B and D

a reply to: Bybyots
I refer to Project Kugelbkitz and another I'll post later. "They" of "Those" programs, not Condign.

a reply to: The GUT


Oh sorry.

a reply to: Bybyots
I know what you mean about Project Condign. It's sadly overlooked in ufology whereas I believe it to be an important document. Not for hitting home runs, but it does tell much I think. Some of that requiring deduction admittedly but not without "links" to merit a case.

a reply to: The GUT

I think there was little reaction to the "Role of Behavorial Science Document" and "Microwave Weapons" at Greenham Common was ignored for a number of different things. The main one being that almost everyone dismisses it for one or more of reasons. Personally I have a problem with why the UK, why Rendlesham Forest and why Christmas time during a period of political tensions in Poland? But then we have the incident itself over 3 nights and stories ranging from nothing happened (Buran, Armold) through Halt and Burroughs to the fantastically weird stories from Warren and Penniston.

As for Kit's comments on Burroughs' injuries I think a lot is left open to interpretation there. Reading between the lines I think he's admitting Burroughs was injured during those two nights at Rendlesham:

.....with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR?

What's that all about?

.....I had, until a year of so ago...only seen a handful of truly 'classified' medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy's Autopsy, and recently...John Burroughs. The reasons were different. When I was denied these records after many requests (even though I have continuously held TS/SCI clearances for almost 50 years)

I am assuming Kit was trying to assist Burroughs with the request to release his records with that statement. Surely? But it all suggests that Burroughs injuries are not your usual GI injuries.

"...inside the doctors notes, the nursing notes, the specialist's note are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham...and not all the connections relate to Rendlesham."

I think our answer is right there. I don't know a lot about Burroughs military career but the implication is that "Special Access Projects" are the reason for all the secrecy.

Whatever that "odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR" was probably leads to, at least part, of the answer.

This is where I pause for a long scratch of the head for umpteenth time again......

a reply to: Bybyots

I do need to read it ALL again, so thanks. Meanwhile, what info from PC do you think particularly germane to Rendlesham other than the direct statement in question in Burroughs' decision?

a reply to: The GUT

It's all posted here. At least all that amounts to how far I'm willing and able to articulate it here.



Oh, P.S. Definitely check out Parts B and E of Vol. 2 as well.

Listen, I've been hoping that someone reading my posts (one can hope, right?) would go whole-hog on PC and maybe come to the same conclusions concerning Vol. 2 Part D that I have. But it ain't happening.

So, go look at it, would you? It's the most heavily redacted "Part" of any of the volumes, and what do you suppose it's about?

Maybe *****?

*double post

a reply to: Bybyots

Bybyots & GUT,

Some of the redactions in Condign (and other MoD documents) are to conceal the operational performance of the UK Air Defence Radar, the author of the Condign Report, the company (Contractor) the author worked for, sensitive operations within the MoD and also to protect the interests of other states and national governments.

There is a document here detailing the discussions over FOI release : Link Here

That may be of some help if you are not familiar with it.

Also our own IsaacKoi gave a fairly critical appraisal of Project Condign many years ago : Link Here

Some of the information contained there may help to scatter the net a bit wider.

As for Condign itself I thought it covered an analysis of UK UAP cases from 1987 - 1996 so misses Rendlesham by more than half a decade. Despite that Rendlesham is the only case directly referenced in it as we have seen from the quote in the OP.

The report was never intended for public consumption and came before any UK FOI legislation. If the British military knew what UFOs/UAPs were then surely such a report would have been pointless in the mid-1990s and a waste of tax payers money. So it all suggests that the UK (if not the US) had very limited knowledge of UAP at the time of Rendlesham. What that points to still leaves a number of possibilities.

This is where I need to scratch my head again.....

a reply to: mirageman

- Pat Frascogna, Atty., for USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.) John Burroughs

“By settling this case in full, the U. S. Dept. of Defense — because the V. A. is part of DoD — they confirmed that the UFO phenomenon is real.”

- John Burroughs, USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.)

I have known from those who were based at RAF Bentwaters, one of whom became my assistant on an Air Force contract, that the incident involved ET. Not many people know that the U.S. Air Force, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH, issued its 1948 Top Secret EOTS that concluded the UFOs in question are "Interplanetary Spaceships," which was reconfirmed in 1952 when the Air Force released its 1952 Intelligence report on flying saucer maneuvers.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I have known from those who were based at RAF Bentwaters, one of whom became my assistant on an Air Force contract, that the incident involved ET.

Care to elaborate. How did he/she and you know it was ET?



I think a few of us are aware of the "Estimate of the Situation" document story even if none of us have ever seen it. Repeated FOI requests have proved fruitless.

So for those who have no idea what you are talking about:

The"Estimate of the Situation Document" is known to have existed because the late Edward Ruppelt, former head of Project Bluebook mentions it in his book which was cleared by the United States Air Force for publication.

In intelligence, if you have something to say about some vital problem you write a report that is known as an "Estimate of the Situation." A few days after the DC-3 was buzzed, the people at ATIC decided that the time had arrived to make an Estimate of the Situation.

The situation was the UFO's; the estimate was that they were interplanetary! [Emphasis added]

It was a rather thick document with a black cover and it was printed on legal sized paper. Stamped across the front were the words TOP SECRET.

It contained the Air Force's analysis of many of the incidents...... When the estimate was completed, typed, and approved, it started up through channels to higher command echelons. It drew considerable comment but no one stopped it on its way up.

...... It got to the late General Hoyt S. Vandenberg, then Chief of Staff, before it was batted back down. The general wouldn't buy interplanetary vehicles. The report lacked proof. A group from ATIC went to the Pentagon to bolster their position but had no luck, the Chief of Staff just couldn't be convinced.


The estimate died a quick death. Some months later it was completely declassified and relegated to the incinerator. A few copies, one of which I saw, were kept as mementos of the golden days of the UFO's.

Source : Edward Ruppelt - The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects

It harks back to a time when there were deep concerns about what the "Flying Saucers" really were and Project Bluebook and it's forerunners seriously considered that they could be extra-terrestrial. But as you can see from Ruppelt's quote "the report lacked proof". At least it did to Gen. Vandenburg.

Unless a copy of this document eventually surfaces then we can never read the content and make our minds up for ourselves.

I am unclear on which document you refer to when you say

...UFOs in question are "Interplanetary Spaceships," was reconfirmed in 1952 when the Air Force released its 1952 Intelligence report on flying saucer maneuvers.

Do you have a direct link to a source for this?

originally posted by: The GUT
What do you think the source of the RF that hit Burroughs and others in addition to the fact that something very weird happened over multiple days suggests? Do you not detect in any of the events some items that could suggest staging?

It is hard to extrapolate anything tangible from the events as recounted by those involved and no-one with even any semblance of objectivity, who may or may not have investigated the incident is willing, or able, to shed any reflected light on the situation. Both the British and the US demonstrate a desire to reinforce the "Alien" narrative, though on an official level I got the impression that the US Military was on the back foot, giving the appearance of having being brought into line (story wise) later on. My inclination therefore is that the one of the sources of RF/NIEMR, at least was the Orfordness site.

While I don't believe that Cobra Mist was still active, there seems to be sufficient evidence that it had at least been partially dismantled, if it was still operational in part, and run inconjunction with mobile van units (which would also explain the coloured lights, perhaps - lights are used in testing, mounted on these vans to help line things up, evidently). As vague as it is going to sound, but it is the best that I have got, is that they were testing something in relation to something else, and that the men walked slap bang into the middle of it.

What then happened, I believe, is what led to the cover up. I don't know what happened, but the combination of at least those three things, maybe a fourth, created a happening, or something, that either totally messed up every single person involved heads, or everyone's except those who were sat safe behind the lead lined box watching on monitors. I suspect, if my scenario bears any weight, that their socks were blown off too, they were simply immune to the more direct, physical effects, in which case, they too, only have part of the story.

At least, that's the best I can come up with at such short notice

This is a great case. In almost every breath, Burroughs, Penniston, Warren, etc are unconsciously telling us that they are not the kind of guys who this happens to, and for the most part, they're not the type of guys to make # up either. There is a choice there, either they are being ordered to lie about it, or they are telling the truth as they know it. I choose the latter but retain an open mind should evidence arise to the contrary, there being a third option, is that it is a combination of the two. I understand the depth of commitment, loyalty and length of service that is involved with some of those involved, and I respect that options two and three are totally out of their control under those constraints of duty. I'm not about to call anyone of the servicemen involved a liar...nor do I think that spacevisitor or mirageman would allow me to, and that too tells me a lot (in a nice warm fuzzy way).

A lot of effort has gone into maintaining the UFO angle, and I cannot discount that a physical craft was involved, but nor can I discount that drugs, and lots of them, were involved. It's a very enigmatic case, just the kind I like.

To extrapolate further. I think that when they ran tests on Cobra Mist, one or two people took an interest in the resulting phenomenon and came back that December to run further tests. An accident happened. A cover up was initiated which would, according to my choice of scenario, have been orchestrated by the CIA in conjunction with British security service personnel, to obfuscate that event which included drugs, hypnosis and staging, or in short form, mind control techniques.

If I was looking for a rational consequence of my choice of narrative, I would then look at the way in which Directed Energy Weapons is emerging out of R&D at the moment, particularly, if I was looking for an explanation for Burroughs' specific injuries as confirmed by Dr Green in context, Pulsed Energy Projectiles and, I think, more on the money, the Electrolaser.

Pulsed Energy Projectile or PEP is a technology of non-lethal weaponry currently under development by the U.S. military. It involves the emission of an invisible laser pulse which, upon contact with the target, ablates the surface and creates a small amount of exploding plasma. This produces a pressure wave that stuns the target and knocks them off their feet, and electromagnetic radiation that affects nerve cells causing a painful sensation. The technology can also be used as a lethal weapon, and indeed an early name was pulsed impulsive kill laser.

The pulsed energy projectile is intended for riot control and is said to work over distances of up to 2 km. It weighs about 230 kg and will probably be mounted on vehicles. The weight could become lighter as laser production technology improves.

The system was developed by Mission Research Corporation (now owned by Orbital ATK). It uses a chemical deuterium fluoride laser device producing infrared laser pulses. The plasma (produced by the early part of the pulse) explodes because its electrons absorb the energy of the later part of the pulse.

In 2003, a US military review reported[citation needed] that the electromagnetic radiation produced by PEPs had been shown to cause pain and temporary paralysis in animal experiments.

en.wikipedia.org...

A laser-Induced plasma channel (LIPC) is formed by the following process:

A laser emits a laser beam into the air.
The laser beam rapidly heats and ionizes surrounding gases to form plasma.
The plasma forms an electrically conductive plasma channel.

Because a laser-induced plasma channel relies on ionization, gas must exist between the electrolaser weapon and its target. If a laser-beam is intense enough, its electromagnetic field is strong enough to rip electrons off of air molecules, or whatever gas happens to be in between, creating plasma.[1] Similar to lightning, the rapid heating also creates a sonic boom.

en.wikipedia.org...

What I am inclined to think, is that something happened to Burroughs specifically, all the others perhaps are simply additional collateral damage, messed up in the process of covering up what happened to Burroughs, and those two technologies, or those at least, are what was "learned" in that accident.

(I am loose about accident too, there comes a time to step up and 'fess up, you go past that line and you start digging yourself in deeper)

originally posted by: The GUT
That stuff you are sharing in Vampyr thread to include the New Scientist stuff is vital reading, imo, in understanding that "mind control" research and advances never stopped. Unethical experimentation has never stopped. To believe otherwise at this point is basically willful ignorance.

I don't know whether it is just that my radar is now tuned to it, but it seems to be everywhere right now. There is yet another article in New Scientist this week exploring a new facet of artificial intelligence, and even in entertainment, which must have been in the pipeline developing for months there is a whole wave of new programming that carry these themes. Electromagnetism and artificial intelligence are definately ideas in good currency. That is not, in itself, cause for alarm.

originally posted by: The GUT
I believe--if memory serves correctly--that adverse health and mental effects of various EM fields were first noticed to a large degree in the U.K. in WWII era. Along withe idea of weaponizing it. I also recall some installation(s) in the U.K. that were maybe emitting (as by-product) harmful amounts of EM-based fields besides that being mentioned in context with the protests.

There is also a very intriguing set of projects--initially U.K.-based?--that looked at the weaponization of ball lightning and plasma excitation and such. Apparently those projects informed some of the comments in Project Condign. They probably noticed some pretty freaky and potentially "militarily useful" effects in those experiments too.

While I haven't come across anything like that, the lead I followed was the investigation conducted on Cobra Mist which was vice-chaired by Professor EDR Shearman. Shearman, amongst many other things, was interested in Ionospheric sounding, and had been involved in this research at not only Orfordness, but also Norway, Ottawa and the Max Planck Institute in the Haartz mountains. Shearman was particularly interested in a phenomenon called Sporadic E clouds.

a reply to: mirageman

If the British military knew what UFOs/UAPs were then surely such a report would have been pointless in the mid-1990s and a waste of tax payers money.

So it all suggests that the UK (if not the US) had very limited knowledge of UAP at the time of Rendlesham. What that points to still leaves a number of possibilities.

It doen't seem that way to my mind, and I think that we can benefit here once more from PC's report having a single author.

This is just how I see things, so it isn't worth more than any other opinion,

I believe that it is likely that the tax payer money was well spent by a generation of people trying to understand (and possibly undermine) a prior generation's money-hole for tax payer money...,
...and the resulting report was terribly accurate. Hence all the XXXXXXXXXs.

It's true: "more than half a decade" is a very significant amount of time.

As for Condign itself I thought it covered an analysis of UK UAP cases from 1987 - 1996 so misses Rendlesham by more than half a decade. Despite that Rendlesham is the only case directly referenced in it as we have seen from the quote in the OP.

PC's report points out Rendlesham merely because it is indeed quite the Condignesque event; how could the author/ess help it, considering all that they had discovered in the process of preparing the report?

a reply to: Anaana
My Internet has been wonky, so I just saw these. Thanks for the reply and, yes, that outline does address and fit some of the "outstandings." When I can interface with a proper keyboard, I remembered some other info that might go hand in hand with that.

a reply to: The GUT
I certainly don't believe Project Condign was a white wash either.
Obvious, at the very least, that we aren't getting the whole story though. Beyond that, I'd guess that anything they might have encountered that doesn't fit current scientific paradigms has been lumped as 'still mysterious EM effects on human physiology.' Being that that is the position the paper takes, it does beg a look at Rendlesham with that nagging 'need to solve' question haunting the M.I.C. in mind.

a reply to: mirageman

Care to elaborate. How did he/she and you know it was ET?

The level of security during one of the incidents plus they indicated the objects were not aircraft. In addition, the objects affected stored weapons at the base, which many people are unaware of. I want to cap on the effects on weaponry, because I was stationed at Hill AFB, UT, (1968-1971) which was involved in investigations involving Minuteman missiles that were affected by UFOs. Hill AFB, was a depot for the Minuteman missile which is why we were involved in the investigations, along with other defense contractors such as the Boeing Aircraft Co. The public is largely unaware of the affects that UFOs have had on our weapon systems over the decades.

To continue, the RAF Bentwaters incidents were not the first time that RAF Bentwaters was involved with UFOs and we can take a look back at 1956 where jets were scrambled.

1956: UFO Encounter / Jet Chase Over Bentwaters AFB, U. K.

Observations of unidentified objects by USAF and RAF personnel, extending over 5 hours, and involving ground-radar, airborne-radar, ground visual and airborne-visual sightings of high-speed unconventionally maneuvering objects in the vicinity of two RAF stations at night make this case a true "unexplained.". It is Case 2 in the Condon Report and is there conceded to be unexplained.

On the night of August 13-14, 1956, radar operators at two military bases in the east of England repeatedly tracked single and multiple objects which displayed high speed, as well as rapid changes of speed and direction. Two jet interceptors were sent up, and were able to see and track them in a brief series of maneuvers. According to official U.S. Air Force reports, the sightings could not be explained by radar malfunction or by unusual weather.

It began at 9:30 p.m. when Airman 2nd Class John Vaccare, of the U.S. Air Force at RAF Bentwaters, tracked one UFO on his Ground Controlled Approach radar (type AN/MPN-11A) as it flew 40-50 miles (65 to 80 km.) in 30 seconds, i.e. 4,800 to 6,000 mph (7,500 to 9,500 km./hr.).

At 10 p.m., a single unidentified target was tracked from Bentwaters as it covered 55 miles (90 km.) in just 16 seconds. This works out to over 12,000 mph (19,000 km./hr.).

Then, at 10:55 p.m., the Bentwaters GCA radar picked up an unidentified target on the same east-to-west course as the previous one, at an apparent speed of "2,000 to 4,000 mph" (3,200 to 6,400 km./hr.). Someone in the Bentwaters control tower reported seeing "a bright light passing over the field from east to west at about 4,000 feet [1,200 m.]."

At about the same time, the pilot of a C-47 twin-engine military transport plane over Bentwaters said, "a bright light streaked under my aircraft travelling east to west at terrific speed." All three reports coincided.

www.ufocasebook.com...

As far as the Air Force's EOTS is concern, we can take a look here along with other reports.

MANEUVERED MOTION AND "INTELLIGENT CONTROL

Following the nearly year-long 1952 UFO sighting wave in which there were repeated instances of jet interceptors chasing after UFOs that also showed on radar, the Central Intelligence Agency convened the so-called Robertson Panel to evaluate the data. Among the presentations made to the scientific panel was one by Dewey J. Fournet (USAF, Ret.) who had worked with scientific analysts conducting a rigorous motion analysis study of hardcore unexplained cases.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

Air Force analysts had reached this conclusion before. Project Sign in 1948 had issued a Top Secret Estimate of the Situation drawing the same conclusion. (Hall, 1964, p. 110) But both times outside scientific consultants, on the basis of what were arguably superficial and excessively skeptical reviews, disputed the conclusion. (Hall, 1988, pp. 155-163)

Many of these jet interception cases included a sort of "cat-and-mouse" behavior on the part of the UFOs, pulling away from the pursuing jets and then slowing down until they caught up again. This behavior has been repeated throughout the history of UFOs, and is one of the many indicators of intelligence behind the phenomenon. Case after case can be cited of UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft

www.nicap.org...

Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships

Given SAC in 1952

A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP by former information Specialist Don Widener, one of the AF men concurring in this opinion.

The spaceship conclusion was based on numerous AF sighting reports, especially those in the MacDill area. It was drawn up by the MacDill UFO project officer, an AF intelligence captain with whom Widener served. As a member of the project, Widener had access to official AF sighting reports, some of which have never been released.

Let's take a look at what the U.S. Air Force Academy was telling its cadets.

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude.

The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away.

When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance.

www.cufon.org...

The Air Force has been covering up UFO encounters for decades, and to this very day.

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