Neighbor from h*ll puts up Swastika display; Claims it's 'Art'

The question of whether this is art or not is irrelevant. This display and far worse is protected as freedom of speech in the U.S.

It is a form of hate speech.

People who agree with his hate speech say it is art.

I say each one of you go burn a cross in your yard with a doll hanging from it and see if you get away with calling it art.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Aside from being illegal for arson depending upon the laws where you live there shouldn't be a problem with burning a cross in your own yard.

What does the doll have to do with it out of curiosity??

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Aside from being illegal for arson depending upon the laws where you live there shouldn't be a problem with burning a cross in your own yard.

What does the doll have to do with it out of curiosity??

It is hate speech, it symbolizes lynchings and racism in America.

How does displaying swastikas with jewish symbols not equate to hate speech?

I don't care about the swastika, his little political protest or anything else, I'd be pissed because it's an eyesore.

Yeah, my neighbors should be allowed to do whatever they want in their yards, but it's a real drag driving by the guy's house that has decided his front yard is the appropriate repository for any and all crap he comes across and thinks he will someday use. Same with the idiots that park junkers on the front lawn (and always so haphazardly).

I suppose it got attention and is now being talked about, but I find it a dick move even if I understand what he's going for and his frustrations. You shouldn't be forced to mow your lawn, but you should still do it.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Mr Mask

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Seems to be some confusion here. The man displaying the flags is not a Nazi but calling Israel and the USA Nazis. To explain more: He has a Palestinian Flag that is not altered. The Israeli flag with a swastika in place of the star denotes, similar with the US flag, that of Nazi Zionists. You know... Fascism against Palestine, etc.

Thank you.

Hopefully now the confused ones here will now smack their heads and say "oooooooooh! OH!!! I get it!"

Sadly many of them will end that moment by saying "Who the hell is Palestine?".

MM

Maybe this is a generational thing?
Maybe because I'm in my 30's I have a better understanding of history?


Like I said, I'm wondering if this is a generational thing. Seems to me there might be a lot of younger people who simply don't understand the horror of WW2 and what this symbol means to a hell of a lot of people.

Specifically because it wasn't a full reply to myself and pretty much answered:

Plenty of us here are your age and older and many of us here also have losses and/or relation to WWII. So, no, it's not generational. Plus it doesn't seem like anyone is saying "get over it" rather than other statements.

a reply to: Anyafaj

This is why America will ultimately collapse.

Why do more people in the states protect the second amaendment over the first.

This is FREE SPEECH. And whether it is what people like is tough. Its you people that have a problem with it that are ruining our lives by forcing the governments to act. How is it even offensive?

Im not Jewish, so I have no problem with the Swastika. NONE. I have more of a problem with the NRA protecting people who use guns to kill children in schools and UNI's around the US.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

It is hate speech, it symbolizes lynchings and racism in America.

How does displaying swastikas with jewish symbols not equate to hate speech?

I suppose that would depend upon the context it was used. It might be used like this guy to imply that Israel attacking Palestine is like Germany attacking the Jewish people. Or it could be about how Germany was attacking the Jewish people historically.

These are just symbols though however and symbols by themselves don't always imply the same things every time.

Personally I don't really go along with "Hate" legislation anyway. It seems unnecessary in most cases.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: Anyafaj

In Germany that guy would have been arrested. While I do support freedom of speech sometimes for moral reasons, you have to consider the feelings of other people.

I remember one time in my old high school my classmates sang Happy Birthday to Hitler and were in trouble because one of the teacher's grandmother was Jewish.

The consideration of morality is your own; not that of the Government. The Government has no Right to limit this person's speech -- especially upon private property.

A question overall, and not specifcally towards you:
Would the coverage via the "media" be different if he were flying a "POW/MIA" flag? A "rainbow" flag? A display of how Man is greater than Animal?

Its all context derived from what either the media wants us to think; or what we are told to believe. He isn't hurting anyone or denying anyone their Rights. It is no different if he were holding a sign that said "Red-Meat Kills" in my opinion.

BBQ at the Nazi's house. Bring marshmallows. No one will care if you burn their house down. It'll be seen as public relations. Want to express hate in public? Don't be surprised if the public hates back with more numbers. Zero tolerance for dumb #.

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
BBQ at the Nazi's house. Bring marshmallows. No one will care if you burn their house down. It'll be seen as public relations. Want to express hate in public? Don't be surprised if the public hates back with more numbers. Zero tolerance for dumb #.

How do we apply this reasoning though. I don't like your tone; should I gather a group who also don't like your tone and reign down "zero tolerance" upon your way of thinking? BBQ at the "LOSTinAMERICA" house. "No one will care if you burn their house down"....

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Aside from being illegal for arson depending upon the laws where you live there shouldn't be a problem with burning a cross in your own yard.

What does the doll have to do with it out of curiosity??

It is hate speech, it symbolizes lynchings and racism in America.

How does displaying swastikas with jewish symbols not equate to hate speech?

Hate speech is not illegal in the U.S.

According to Virginia v. Black which I think is the most recent Supreme Court ruling on the subject burning a cross with the intent to intimidate is a crime but doing it on private property as a political statement is not. The same principle would apply to displays of swastikas.

I'm not making a case for how it should or should not be just pointing out how it is. I had the unfortunate first hand experience of having a family member harassed by a neo-Nazi leader. What is protected by the courts as not qualifying as threatening is amazing.

a reply to: DelMarvel

There can also be a bias when it comes to hate speech as well. Hate speech when it's directed toward someone or some group that everyone hates is then just considered speech. It's really only viewed as Hate speech when not everyone is in agreement with it.

For example, if some talking head talks bad about Jews for example, it's hate speech. But you say those same bad things about ISIS and there isn't a problem anymore because everyone pretty much hates ISIS but ISIS.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

I think you failed to get the incredibly thinly veiled message.

The guy is probably not at all a Nazi, but saying that what Israel is doing to Palestine is akin to what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Even if he were a Nazi sympathizer, he has every right to be, and every right to be as huge a prick as he wants. I think he's an asshole (but doubt a Nazi), that doesn't mean you can suddenly go on some vigilante rampage against him or his property. If you feel that's justified, I've got some news for you...

Great art makes you think.
I like it.

I would hate be a real estate agent trying to sell a house in his neighborhood.

Reminds me a bit from Step Brothers
"Welcome to the neighborhood! My name is Craig. If you guys need any fertilizer, I've got a lot of it; Close to 80 tons."

First of all, educate yourselves, the swastika was not invented by the Natzis....

proswastika.org...

Secondly why is hell censored in the title and OP?

[sorry just realised that was answered.]

Hell isn't considered a curse word in this context...

originally posted by: djz3ro
First of all, educate yourselves, the swastika was not invented by the Natzis....

No but it has been hijacked by them and is much more well known for being a Nazi symbol. Symbols are just symbols but not many people research the history of them nor what else they can represent.

Just look at what has happened to the 5 pointed star.

If you go to India, you will see swastikas everywhere because it is originally an auspicious symbol.

a reply to: mOjOm

That Nazi swastika is very precise, the angle it sits at, which way it faces. Only one swastika is a Nazi symbol, everything else is just a swastika...

I think the statement is pretty obvious, the state of Israel has turned into the thing it hates most and is supported by the states.
I'll be glad when time passes and the Swatika can be reclaimed, that such an ancient symbol, could be misused by the Nazis for such a short time and tuerned into something so hated is just sad.