Neighbor from h*ll puts up Swastika display; Claims it's 'Art'

Anytime anyone sees a swastika they automatically think someone is PRO Nazi. His statement is from where I sit, a protest against genocide of Palestinians...and I say GENOCIDE flat out with no apologies because that is what it has been over decades, in different waves of intensity.

I find it appalling that people think a 85% civilian kill rate into the thousands, bombs dropped on hospitals, children burned, entire neighborhoods flattened is not "hate"....but the guy calling it out IS considered a "hate speecher".

But the average person these days is not for nuanced thinking. The world is full of simpletons.

"ART" it is

a reply to: mOjOm

I've stated he is a sucky artist. Sure.

But he is a better artist than 99.9% of the "artists" the media has been forcing on us for decades.

But the quality of his art is not what's being questioned. His right to make it is...and I am not going to support an art-judging-squad that begins to tell us all what is and what is not art.

The day that happens...I'll be flying Nazi-American flags all over town.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask

I'm with ya there. I do get tired of people trying to pass off the most simple forms of artistic expression just to push some kind of message. Whether it's burning a bible or pooping on a cross or sticking paint balls up your vagina and squishing it out on a sheet of paper or whatever no talent method is used.

As long as there is some kind of skill involved I'm fine with it. Case in point is the guy who pants portraits of people using his "junk". Now normally I'd classify him with the other talentless hacks who are using a gimmick to make a profit and calling it art. However, his portraits aren't too bad. They're nothing amazing, but the fact that he paints them with his "johnson" and other body parts and does so pretty quickly, I've recently given him a "pass" as far as my critique goes.

a reply to: mOjOm


So you judge 'art' on the level of skill? And who made you the Art Czar? Is there a rating one needs to have before it's considered art? LOL

I had some antique copies of Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle Book" which had 'swastikas" on them (Actually Hindu good luck symbols). Some friends who saw them didn't speak to me for weeks and didn't tell me why because they thought I was a "Nazi".

Average people......are morons....for the most

originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: Anyafaj

So the question is, is this hate speech masquerading as "art"? Or is this art gone too far?

So my only two choices are 'hate speech' or 'art gone too far'?

Well, there does not exist a good definition of 'hate speech' anymore than there is a good definition of 'love speech' or 'ambivalent speech'. So I vote NO on hate speech.

That leaves me with 'art gone too far'. I do not feel comfortable with this choice either as I am not clear on how far 'too far' is. I do not agree with the rhetorical fallacy of pornography by a school yet I kinda' see what you are trying to get at.

I guess I see it as a 1st Amendment issue. If there are some HOA Nazis (bad pun I know) in this guy's neighborhood maybe it is a different story.

You are welcome to chose an option more appropriate for you that I didn't think of. Personally, I don't like this version of art, but that's me, and my opinion, as I'm entitled to it. I know art is subjective and everyone can see something differently in every piece of art. I like different things in art. This I had a negative reaction to, and perhaps this is what he was going for, but it was a "Please take this down" reaction.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I never said I was the Art Czar. But if someone puts up something and calls it art I have every right to judge it however I want. If it's something that requires little to no skill, even with a powerful message, I don't find it all that impressive, that's all.

There are some very well respected artists that I don't find all that amazing either.

Are you saying that I must appreciate it simply because of the message behind it and not the quality of it's construction??

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: Mr Mask

You basically just either ignored my points, or warped them to dodge having to respond to the actual point, and all while mixing in stereotypical anti-American rants and verging on antisemitism at the same time.

Well done you.

And yes, I would recommend you calm down a little, maybe put on a Jay-Z CD and sip a nice cold Coke.

You're missing the point. Its pretty witty actually. And if you can't see it, thats fine, but don't belittle and insult a person just because you aren't seeing from the same perspective.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Mr Mask

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Seems to be some confusion here. The man displaying the flags is not a Nazi but calling Israel and the USA Nazis. To explain more: He has a Palestinian Flag that is not altered. The Israeli flag with a swastika in place of the star denotes, similar with the US flag, that of Nazi Zionists. You know... Fascism against Palestine, etc.

Thank you.

Hopefully now the confused ones here will now smack their heads and say "oooooooooh! OH!!! I get it!"

Sadly many of them will end that moment by saying "Who the hell is Palestine?".

MM

There are plenty of people here who understand what you are saying, and plenty here who have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause (me being one of them), but that does not negate the threatening nature of that symbol.

Saying "oh, get over it!" does not remove the fact that this symbol is directly linked to the slaughter of millions of people.

Maybe this is a generational thing?
Maybe because I'm in my 30's I have a better understanding of history?

The Israeli state is NOT the Jewish people.
The US government is NOT equivalent of to the Nazis.

Although he might have the RIGHT to express himself in this way, the question is what can be done to limit the damage and the threat this obviously poses to people who might not understand his intent.

Like it or not, there will be plenty of people in that neighbourhood who don't understand his intent (if it's as claimed), and seeing that symbol instantly raises emotions in people.

Like I said, I'm wondering if this is a generational thing. Seems to me there might be a lot of younger people who simply don't understand the horror of WW2 and what this symbol means to a hell of a lot of people.

For my grandmother and her brothers and sisters it meant death and escape to America. Once here, they were immediately put in an orphanage to be adopted out, except her, never to see each other again.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I never said I was the Art Czar. But if someone puts up something and calls it art I have every right to judge it however I want. If it's something that requires little to no skill, even with a powerful message, I don't find it all that impressive, that's all.

There are some very well respected artists that I don't find all that amazing either.

Are you saying that I must appreciate it simply because of the message behind it and not the quality of it's construction??

as long as you don't think art should be censored or taken down because it lacks skill, you're cool with me.

a reply to: Mr Mask

Sure its art you win and yes he has a right to display it. BUT he is for a sure a d bag crying for attention.I don't care about his views or his statement.

It doesn't have to be you against ATS Mr Mask

a reply to: Anyafaj

So the question is, is this hate speech masquerading as "art"? Or is this art gone too far? When does "art" cross the line?

There is no line nor does it matter if it is hate speech because in the US hate speech is protected.


Most of the time I hate the HOA in my neighborhood, but that kind of display wouldn't fly here legally because of it. I still hate the HOA here.

I get the message I don't think many do, but that isn't his problem in fact it's because people do not get it that he just got national coverage. He is probably having a mission accomplished drink while reading the multitudes of articles written about it.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

No not at all. I've all for free speech and expression. More than most actually as I don't believe in any forms of censorship that I know of. I sometimes find some of it lazy that's all. But that doesn't mean it's not art or that there isn't a message behind it. Sometimes some offensive art is put out that seems kinda gimmicky which I find to be kinda riding a fine line between art and a lazy attempt to grab peoples attention by simply being as offensive as possible.

well it's certainly a talking point, which is something most artists desire of their work.


ps. why is there an asterisk in the word 'hell'? (at least i presume that's the word)?

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Mr Mask

Sure its art you win and yes he has a right to display it. BUT he is for a sure a d bag crying for attention.I don't care about his views or his statement.

It doesn't have to be you against ATS Mr Mask

If it's art, then fine, it's art. It's really, REALLY bad art in my opinion. But I don't HAVE to like it. That is what is awesome about America. He can make it, and I can hate it. There is some art in Hungary that is Anti-socialism that I love, where people began painting there home different colors and adding symbols to their homes to decry the government. I find it fascinating, then again too, my grandmother was forced from her home in Budapest, so I love all Hungarian culture. I realize this is not for everyone, but this just one of the forms of art I enjoy.

How Hungary's Painted Homes Rebelled Against The Socialist System

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
well it's certainly a talking point, which is something most artists desire of their work.


ps. why is there an asterisk in the word 'hell'? (at least i presume that's the word)?

Yes, I did that. I wasn't sure if it would get past the site censors, so I put the asterisk there as a just in case. I'm still learning what words are allowable, and what ones are not.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Yea, i hope this makes an art trend in the USA where everyone decorates their lawns with what group/country they hate. We could all be artists and spread hate at the same time. don't you love the USA

The only 'hate' I see going on with this guy's message is his hate for sending $3 billion per year of financial aid to Israel.

If my country were doing that, I'd be hating it too... particularly when I see my fellow countrymen sleeping in the streets and having to live off of food stamps for lack of jobs, while another country across the pond is ramping up their military armaments with my tax dollars.

Just my $0.02

originally posted by: CranialSponge
The only 'hate' I see going on with this guy's message is his hate for sending $3 billion per year of financial aid to Israel.

If my country were doing that, I'd be hating it too... particularly when I see my fellow countrymen sleeping in the streets and having to live off of food stamps for lack of jobs, while another country across the pond is ramping up their military armaments with my tax dollars.

Just my $0.02

Now THAT is a statement I can agree with. No matter how I feel about Israel, or Palestine, or any other dang blasted country. THAT is a statement I can get behind. I wish I could star this a hundred times!




(No, not pro-Obummer)

originally posted by: Rocker2013

Saying "oh, get over it!" does not remove the fact that this symbol is directly linked to the slaughter of millions of people.

If this guy had hung unaltered flags of the US and Israel, they would still be symbols directly linked to the slaughter of millions of people.