Sabine McNeill Interview - Whistleblower for Hampstead Child Abuse Scandal!

originally posted by: muchmadness
They may well be completely genuine, of course, my point is that unless you were one of the people actually involved in the investigation, you can't just casually toss out that they are "undoubtedly police interviews".

I have not seen the videos which are allegedly of the police interviews of the children. However, one test of authenticity is to establish who was there. For interviewing children, my reading of the "Code of Practice for the Detention, Treatment and Questioning of Persons by Police Officers" is that apart from any police present, an “appropriate” adult should also be present… Was this the case? If not, then it was not a genuine police interview.

‘The appropriate adult’ means, in the case of a:
(a) juvenile:
(i) the parent, guardian or, if the juvenile is in local authority or voluntary organisation care, or is otherwise being looked after under the Children Act 1989, a person representing that authority or organisation;
(ii) a social worker of a local authority;
(iii) failing these, some other responsible adult aged 18 or over who is not a police officer or employed by the police.

www.gov.uk...

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: OneManArmy

Grisly video indeed. Not sure if real though, tbh.

It's those kinds of things that make me consider that this case may have some legitimacy to it. I'm torn between belief and disbelief. On the one hand much of the claims by these children seem outrageous. The calm demeanor in which they describe things doesn't help sway my opinion. On the other hand.. groups of people who are into the things they describe are extremely secretive about it and no doubt many of them are string pullers of one kind or another. It's also not beyond the scope of reality for PDs to do dishonest investigations on a plethora of things just to protect their own.

Are there any other children/parents from this school coming forward about this? Or is it just these two kids and their mum and them? If it's just them that feels like a red flag to me.

In my very small amount of research tonight, I have seen comments from someone claiming to have had kids at the school, saying her kids gave accounts of some certain children leaving the classes for no apparent reason and going off with the headmaster.

Im still in two minds here. Doubt has been sown, which is why I would like to see the police interviews.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: muchmadness
They may well be completely genuine, of course, my point is that unless you were one of the people actually involved in the investigation, you can't just casually toss out that they are "undoubtedly police interviews".

I have not seen the videos which are allegedly of the police interviews of the children. However, one test of authenticity is to establish who was there. For interviewing children, my reading of the "Code of Practice for the Detention, Treatment and Questioning of Persons by Police Officers" is that apart from any police present, an “appropriate” adult should also be present… Was this the case? If not, then it was not a genuine police interview.

‘The appropriate adult’ means, in the case of a:
(a) juvenile:
(i) the parent, guardian or, if the juvenile is in local authority or voluntary organisation care, or is otherwise being looked after under the Children Act 1989, a person representing that authority or organisation;
(ii) a social worker of a local authority;
(iii) failing these, some other responsible adult aged 18 or over who is not a police officer or employed by the police.

www.gov.uk...

It really would be a good idea to actually see the videos before coming to any conclusions as to their authenticity.

originally posted by: OneManArmy
It really would be a good idea to actually see the videos before coming to any conclusions as to their authenticity.

Indeed. I was pointing out that for them to be authentic videos they will have certain features, like a non-police person present.

Regardless, I am positive that the children have been exploited by the mother and partner. I said this when I first saw a video and pointed out that the girl was talking like a person tutored and the "interviewers" (presumably mother's partner and mother of said kids) used an interviewing technique of key word prompts and leading questions. The high publicity from releasing videos into YouTube, the accusations, the involvement of McNeill and other factors makes me think it's a sham.

It's all now being dealt with by the police. I feel certain that aside from the issue with the children, the mother and partner will end up being sued for defamation of a great many people.

Regards

a reply to: OneManArmy

Looks fake, very fake indeed.
Looks like a student film for a college course in the 80s.

I thought it looked fake and then saw that all the commenters on the video thought it was too.
Doesn't mean it is but seeing as this is only on liveleak and not any other source and it looks staged and acted I suspect that is the case.

As for the case in hand, it seems more and more likely that the kids were asked to say what their crazy mother wanted them to say.

originally posted by: paraphi

It's all now being dealt with by the police. I feel certain that aside from the issue with the children, the mother and partner will end up being sued for defamation of a great many people.

Regards

Im almost certain that will happen too, whether its true or not.

originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: OneManArmy

Looks fake, very fake indeed.
Looks like a student film for a college course in the 80s.

I thought it looked fake and then saw that all the commenters on the video thought it was too.
Doesn't mean it is but seeing as this is only on liveleak and not any other source and it looks staged and acted I suspect that is the case.

As for the case in hand, it seems more and more likely that the kids were asked to say what their crazy mother wanted them to say.

And what if the birthmark on the head teachers "private parts" turns out to be true?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: OneManArmy

Grisly video indeed. Not sure if real though, tbh.

It's those kinds of things that make me consider that this case may have some legitimacy to it. I'm torn between belief and disbelief. On the one hand much of the claims by these children seem outrageous. The calm demeanor in which they describe things doesn't help sway my opinion. On the other hand.. groups of people who are into the things they describe are extremely secretive about it and no doubt many of them are string pullers of one kind or another. It's also not beyond the scope of reality for PDs to do dishonest investigations on a plethora of things just to protect their own.

Are there any other children/parents from this school coming forward about this? Or is it just these two kids and their mum and them? If it's just them that feels like a red flag to me.

ETA:

Also, where are all the skulls and bones from all these hundreds of alleged dead babies?

Childrens bones were found at Haute De La Garenne, not to forget all the bones at Cromwell street.
I saw testimony of a girl that claimed to have been a victim of a torture party, and had to watch as her friends fingernails were pulled out during a horrifying murder. These parties were attended by local police chiefs and pillars of the community. Who Fred West pimped his wife Rose out to. This was all in a Channel 4 documentary years ago.

The bones are buried in the ground, or cremated. Getting rid of bodies isnt exactly hard, when you have the right connections.

a reply to: OneManArmy

Not quite sure what either of those two cases have to do with the legitimacy of this case.

originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: OneManArmy

Not quite sure what either of those two cases have to do with the legitimacy of this case.

I wasnt addressing this case, I was addressing the discovery of bones and disposal of bodies.
The legitimacy of this case is still undecided. Thats what courts are supposed to be for.
Justice served and SEEN TO BE SERVED. Its a founding principle of freedom.
The legitimacy of the case will not be decided on the internet.

Does anybody know of any previous, undisputed cases, with allegations like the ones these children are making?

originally posted by: TechUnique
Had just started the interview but her internet started going haywire. Will try get her back on now and keep you updated. Earlier on, on another show she was on, (Freedom talk radio), a police officer turned up shortly before the show to warn the host not to do the show.

That hasn't happened to me luckily but we can't seem to get a solid internet connection to call each other on and now her Skype is freaking out signing on and off.

I'll keep you guys updated in this thread.

do not ever, EVER, use skype for such thing.
try vsee.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Disregarding the case in this thread

Do you think such cases would ever see the light of day in a courtroom ... that involved members of the establishment
Yes maybe low level cases / scapegoats or dead and gone one's

We are still waiting for our government to respond to claims that Scotland Yard itself suggested were credible concerning members of our parliament ...

This is a no brainer

originally posted by: artistpoet
Disregarding the case in this thread

The case in this thread is not undisputed.

Do you think such cases would ever see the light of day in a courtroom ... that involved members of the establishment
Yes maybe low level cases / scapegoats or dead and gone one's

Not one case ever, in all of recorded history?

We are still waiting for our government to respond to claims that Scotland Yard itself suggested were credible concerning members of our parliament ...

I am from the US and unfortunately don't know what claims you're talking about.

This is a no brainer

I'm just looking for other cases of abuse like the ones that allegedly happened to these children. Not necessarily tied to establishment. Cults or "rings" work too. If this type of abuse is so widespread it should be easy to find cases. I'm simply interested in those cases. In my opinion it would help allegations such being forced to kill and eat numerous babies seem more plausible.

In my opinion the "no brainer" thing for sickos to do would be A) Never create evidence in the form of films and B) Don't use random public school children who could potentially talk and become a liability.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Ok got you now ... searching myself
So far nothing solid

a reply to: artistpoet

Same here. Found some pretty disturbing cases but not quite what I was looking for. I'm sure there's got to be something out there.. with all the other sick things people have done/do. I'll have to search more later though. I need a break from this right now.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I am from the US and unfortunately don't know what claims you're talking about.

"Scotland Yard is probing five VIP paedophile rings after Labour MP hands in dossier naming six serving politicians and Lords"

www.dailymail.co.uk... rving-politicians-Lords.html

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I'm just looking for other cases of abuse like the ones that allegedly happened to these children. Not necessarily tied to establishment. Cults or "rings" work too. If this type of abuse is so widespread it should be easy to find cases. I'm simply interested in those cases. In my opinion it would help allegations such being forced to kill and eat numerous babies seem more plausible.

In my opinion the "no brainer" thing for sickos to do would be A) Never create evidence in the form of films and B) Don't use random public school children who could potentially talk and become a liability.

In my research into paedophile rings and the reports of victims, it is often claimed that all the abuse is filmed.
Especially during the paedophile parties used to compromise "dignitaries" for later manipulation by the secret services.

And also public school children are one of the most common victims in child sexual abuse cases.

Why would public school children talking be any more of a liability than other children?
Are you saying public school children are more credible?

Its so very easy to have a child disappear into the care system, when that child is an orphan. And with the huge number of cases of the care system being involved in the child trafficking rings, I cannot possibly disregard the possibility it goes deeper than that.

I found another page link to a terrible case'/s involving abuse rape murder etc involving very high level people
But when I clicked that link again the article did not appear again
So I copy pasted the entire thing into google search
And had a warning ... be careful please all such word searches are monitored
This is a bit freaky ...

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: muchmadness
They may well be completely genuine, of course, my point is that unless you were one of the people actually involved in the investigation, you can't just casually toss out that they are "undoubtedly police interviews".

I have not seen the videos which are allegedly of the police interviews of the children. However, one test of authenticity is to establish who was there. For interviewing children, my reading of the "Code of Practice for the Detention, Treatment and Questioning of Persons by Police Officers" is that apart from any police present, an “appropriate” adult should also be present… Was this the case? If not, then it was not a genuine police interview.

‘The appropriate adult’ means, in the case of a:
(a) juvenile:
(i) the parent, guardian or, if the juvenile is in local authority or voluntary organisation care, or is otherwise being looked after under the Children Act 1989, a person representing that authority or organisation;
(ii) a social worker of a local authority;
(iii) failing these, some other responsible adult aged 18 or over who is not a police officer or employed by the police.

www.gov.uk...

If it was a social worker doing the interview then they themselves can act as a responsible adult. You wouldn't need a police officer there but you would need a responsible adult as you just said.

So one person could conduct a police interview for the police, as long as they were qualified to.