Sabine McNeill Interview - Whistleblower for Hampstead Child Abuse Scandal!

a reply to: TechUnique

Has this been moved to RATS?

originally posted by: daftpink
a reply to: TechUnique

Has this been moved to RATS?

I thought I should post this regarding the authenticity of these types of cases, especially after posting the highly questionable liveleak video before.

Its a link to a list of mostly US cases that ended with convictions for child abuse with some ritual aspects.
ra-info.org...

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Waffles are amazing LOL

In reply to the OP, are you a reporter for InfoWars.com? That recent video was from that site and it sounded like your voice.

I am still not very familiar with this story. I get the impression that it's a bit of disinfo, misinfo and fact all mixed in one.

Sabines new website

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Waffles are amazing LOL

In reply to the OP, are you a reporter for InfoWars.com? That recent video was from that site and it sounded like your voice.

I am still not very familiar with this story. I get the impression that it's a bit of disinfo, misinfo and fact all mixed in one.

No?
I'm confused lol. The guy is British as well but I wasn't aware he sounded like me.

originally posted by: Jessica6
a reply to: aynock
Exactly. I suspected it was nonsense (that the kids were likely coached to say these things) from the get-go. The Satanic stuff is just silly - especially corpses of babies winding up in a secret McDonald's kitchen. Really? People believe that based on ... a video? The real abuse is making those kids say such dreadful things and heaven-knows-what else they were subjected to by a seemingly not-all-there mum.

One thing people need to keep in mind is that the woman was engaged in a custody battle with the father and supposedly she wants to take them to Russia. In addition, according to this article - wideshut.co.uk... - the man who helped film the video, the mum's BF, has a history of violence against his own children. And "Social workers also made contact in July, 2014, after a third party reported aggressiveness from the new partner towards the children. He had a history of violence against his own children." It was after that that the satanic allegations were made.

As for Sabine McNeill.... she's a bit of an odd duck too. I found a website where she boasts of having developed some sort of software that she claims is “the most important work since relativity theory”. www.ashacentre.org...:sabine-k-mcneill&Itemid=3 um, yeah.

(Good post)


Yes , but we are suppose to ignore this (and it is) because when you do not ignore this information you are a horrible child-hater/rapist/abuser/satan lover.

The sensasionalist people pushing this story just want to push these children into the arms of a mother who uses her children like this with her current partner who is violent towards his own children already under the cover of the story they helped propagate so they can say they have been a saint and did a good thing. Then walk away and have no clue what they have really done to these children and the abuse they are probably having done to them because of this.

This info is ofcourse not to be believed and so is not worthy of their attention (specifically because it kills their sensational drama high) , no, we are going with the -satanic baby murdering on wednesday at school and secret mcdonalds kitchens to cover it all up story- instead.

Who cares about the real truth anyway right? the op already has spoken out to be completly unwiling to question this sabines or the mothers actions and motives multiple times. Going full on kid gloves with her at every turn. No one will ever reach any truth this way, Obviously.


Do some real worrying about these children for god's sakes AND MAKE SURE they are not being abused by anyone - this does include the mother,boyfriend AND this Sabine woman!

a reply to: everyone

These points have already been addressed i think. That wideshut article has absolutely no sources to back up the claims it makes and I've already said why i thought the author was dubious.

The McDonald's that the kids mentioned has suddenly been closed down.

As for trying to slander Sabine's work...i just despair sometimes. This woman is intelligent, i think her work is innovative and interesting and she is also a passionate activists for children's rights. In some people's eyes that makes her an abuser?

Also the OP did question Sabine as requested, it was posted in another thread.

originally posted by: daftpink
As for trying to slander Sabine's work...i just despair sometimes. This woman is intelligent, i think her work is innovative and interesting and she is also a passionate activists for children's rights. In some people's eyes that makes her an abuser?

Also the OP did question Sabine as requested, it was posted in another thread.

Unfortunately, I think she is her own worst enemy.

Anything of merit on her blog is being drowned out by... well, nonsense. There may well be some truth to her allegations (though I see very little of merit so far) but she comes across as someone who completely and utterly believes whichever side of a story suits her predetermined belief, without attempting any critical analysis or demonstrating any real judgement.

She isn't being silenced by the media or government, she's being silenced by her own voice.

Neighbors started calling the cops on the mom and her boyfriend, Abraham Jemal Christie, when the children suddenly appeared weeping for long periods of time on her balcony after Christie moved in.

Authorities were also called to the school in this same timeframe because Christie was appearing there acting "aggressively" towards these two and other children.

A few weeks after THAT, voila--a trip to Morocco where Alisa has a red-hot spoon jammed into her chin and is told she'll be "buried in a hole in a field" if she doesn't agree to say she "killed babies." Gabriel is punched by Abraham so hard in the ear that it bleeds, and the boy claimed in police interviews he is now deaf in that ear. Magically, Ella, Abraham and children return from Morocco with the story that "it's all Ricky Dearman's fault."

Don't forget the bit where both Ella (mom) and Abraham have naked videos of the children on their iPhones (this is publicly admitted by Ella). The excuse is that the children "stole the phones" on multiple occasions and got their father to film them, subsequently returning the phones.

Problem being, the videos were taken at Ella's house--not Dearman's.

I think it's crystal clear this whole sham regarding "everyone in Hampstead being an abusive Satanist" was Ella and Abraham's last ditch effort to deflect blame for the actual abuse--almost certainly caused by Abraham--onto nebulous "others."

Ella has fled the country, and Abraham is about to be jailed. Yet at this very moment hundreds of gullible well-meaning people are signing the petition to "return the children to their Russian family!!"

Sickly clever, but sickly nonetheless. Hope more people wake up.

a reply to: Zephyranth

Neighbors started calling the cops on the mom and her boyfriend, Abraham Jemal Christie, when the children suddenly appeared weeping for long periods of time on her balcony after Christie moved in.

Authorities were also called to the school in this same timeframe because Christie was appearing there acting "aggressively" towards these two and other children.

Do you have a decent source or link for these statements?

I signed the petition, not because I want the children returned to the mother as the chances are that neither of the parents are fit for purpose. I signed as I think the case warrants further investigation and do not want it to disappear. I also think that the current publicity although damaging to the children in some way might protect them from the systematic abuse that is rife in the care system.

I do realize the care system itself isn't beyond reproach, and I understand. It took me a while, too, to start to see the hand of the boyfriend in all of this.

At any rate, here are the medical docs which also describe the police/social services calls on Abraham Jemal Christie:

www.dropbox.com...

Note: These documents (and many others) were made public by Sabine McNeill. No idea why.

originally posted by: Zephyranth
I do realize the care system itself isn't beyond reproach, and I understand. It took me a while, too, to start to see the hand of the boyfriend in all of this.

At any rate, here are the medical docs which also describe the police/social services calls on Abraham Jemal Christie:

www.dropbox.com...

Note: These documents (and many others) were made public by Sabine McNeill. No idea why.

Im inclined to agree with you, the more I look into certain claims the more questions are coming up than answers.
As for parents having naked pictures of their OWN children, is that even a crime?
I remember a time when kids would run around the street starkers running through water sprayers in the summer.
How times change eh?

I need to establish when the McDonalds ACTUALLY closed. Simply to establish if there is any truth to the claim that it closed as a result of this scandal. Ham & High said it closed in November 2013.
Two articles from Ham & High dated a week apart are very inconsistent.
See for yourselves...

In This article it is claimed that it opened in 1992. And would be closing on 17th November and after 21 years, being as the article was dated 2013 I can only assume it closed on November 17th 2013.

Whereas This article from 6 days later says the store opened in 1993. And also explains the paintjob as an English Heritage approved facade.

Also the claim that the school staff have been changed, I cannot find anything to support that claim. But that could just be my fault.

Then I take issue with Sabines grasp over her emotions. I have seen an interview and a video now where she resorts to crying to get the sympathy vote, appealing to emotion is the worst kind of "justice", where rationalism and reason are paramount, ESPECIALLY in child sex abuse cases. Otherwise we end up creating a witch hunt, destroying the lives of innocent people. Im very wary when people use emotion, as its the PRIME ingredient in propaganda.

I really need to see the actual police interviews and the "recanting" of stories. I dont know what to think right now as doubt is firmly planted in my head. If these kids are the victims of organised sexual abuse then I would really dislike seeing the perpetrators get away with it on the technicality that the satanic aspects are complete fantasy. It wouldnt be the first time.

I also have fears that the timing of this "satanic panic" is alongside the westminster paedophile inquiry, the last thing we need in that regard is the muddying of the waters in that inquiry.

But I also have learned that in these cases, the children do need to be taken seriously, at least until the facts can be ascertained.
The reason the disgusting crime of organised paedophilia has gone on for so long is because many people would sooner dismiss the children out of hand, than face the disgusting and depraved reality. Savile and the BBC highlights that fact perfectly, so many knew, but nobody did anything.

I think this is why its important not to pollute due process, and why google removes the school from its search engine.
All the release of this information could be highly damaging to a criminal case, and in our good willed intentions we could unwittingly be harming any prosecutions.
Then at the same time, I think these things need to publicity to get anything done in the first place.
Its a catch 22, effed up situation, of the highest degree.

EDIT TO ADD:

After watching the police interview with Gabriel, im pretty sure the whole thing is fantasy.
Im starting to get the feeling that the same thing that happened in Sweden is happening here.



Well intentioned people seem to be getting sucked into the satanic panic, we need to keep a cool head.
And certainly not be scared to ask probing and uncomfortable questions. Our own credibility is on the line.

This is all starting to smell incredibly fishy.. Gonna have to do a lot more poking around and then do another video. I'm starting to get highly suspicious of this whole thing.

So what exactly do you make of this? I'm really curious cause ATS got me into this in the first place (OP), and I really spent a lot of time doing research . I honestly don't know what to think of this and it still bothers me a lot (A LOT). I read through the entire thread, links etc. Any updates will be appreciated. Please be honest and good luck!
and most importantly, I hope these kids are in good care

Yes--the McDonald's closed in 2013. This Sabine McNeill character was the one who invented the fiction that it closed "immediately after the videos" and what not.

I'm not sure what to make of her; part of me thinks she was duped and is now trying to help right the wrong (she is the one who made the police interviews available, as well as the medical docs which clearly point a finger at Abraham).

Speaking of which--does anyone have the police videos?? I swore I'd saved them to my Google Docs but when Sabine removed them, they disappeared from my folder as well :/ Personally, I've seen all I need to see but I think it's a crime that others who have only seen Abraham's "directing debut" videos can't also now see what is basically a clear rebuttal to those.

I'd be grateful if someone could link! I realize it was probably my own ineptitude but I'll never trust an important (shared) document to Google Docs again.

originally posted by: Zephyranth
I do realize the care system itself isn't beyond reproach, and I understand. It took me a while, too, to start to see the hand of the boyfriend in all of this.

At any rate, here are the medical docs which also describe the police/social services calls on Abraham Jemal Christie:

www.dropbox.com...

Note: These documents (and many others) were made public by Sabine McNeill. No idea why.

Thanks for that, sorry about the delay in replying. The link you provide has two files, I can only get information from the second one as the first one seems to be blank. So I can't see details about the police/social services calls. Not that I have doubted anything you say. The police interviews of the recanting statements would I think help settle this matter in our minds. If indeed this whole abuse thing is down to Abraham I do wonder what the natural fathers role has been in the children's lives and why he has not been given custody. There is also the danger that if the children are given over to the grandparents and go to live in Russia then the abuser may still find a way to gain access to them. I would ask the children what they think about living with their grandparents and if they feel safe with them, at least as a first consideration when deciding their future. I think, or at least my current impression of the mother is that she is a fruit loop who has failed her children and I certainly wouldn't be rushing to hand the children back to her. It is sad to say but perhaps those children are better off in care and adoption is the best recourse.

That Abraham character sounds like some piece of work and yet he is walking around free and the case has been closed. Who knows...perhaps some vigilante justice might catch up with him.

a reply to: midicon

Hey there...seems like there's been a few developments...haven't had time to look into it all yet but just a quick post to say that the case isn't closed. This week there was no appearances at court but it resumes again on Monday 2nd March. These details were in a post on mumsnet and netmums and locals were campaigning outside the courts each day... my post was deleted by the mods, on asking why I was advised it is an ongoing case and due to legal reasons they have to delete posts that talk about it (the post was about the school). That was yesterday...surprised these threads haven't been taken down or moved to rats.

a reply to: daftpink

Thanks for the info.

I tried mumsnet but the thread has been deleted. Kudos to ATS for letting these threads run...although I am sure they will be keeping an eye on them.

Regards Midicon.

Edit to add

Have you seen the...appealing to Ailsa video.

zeeklytv.com...

a reply to: OneManArmy

I dont know if you are after "brownie points" and are deliberately being a "debunker", but to debunk you have to supply some evidence. To accuse someone of fraud without anything to back it up is pathetic.
It brings into question your own motives. Do you condone child sexual abuse?

no - i don't condone child sexual abuse, nor was i after brownie points, and yes i was deliberately being a debunker

But what I very much do condone is publicising this story. So that when justice is served, it is open and transparent, you know, the way it should be.

the release of the videos is to my mind a shocking abuse of these kids - and everyone who has spread and helped to promote them should consider what effects it will have on the kids in the long term - these vids will probably be out there and used by 'conspiracy theorists' for many many years to come, regardless of the truth

the justice system was trying to protect the kids identities

Some of your questions are very valid questions that should be asked and a degree of trepidation is required of course, but to make false accusations, whoever it is, is against the law.

i don't think sabine mcneill will be taking me to court anytime soon

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: OneManArmy

I dont know if you are after "brownie points" and are deliberately being a "debunker", but to debunk you have to supply some evidence. To accuse someone of fraud without anything to back it up is pathetic.
It brings into question your own motives. Do you condone child sexual abuse?

no - i don't condone child sexual abuse, nor was i after brownie points, and yes i was deliberately being a debunker

But what I very much do condone is publicising this story. So that when justice is served, it is open and transparent, you know, the way it should be.

the release of the videos is to my mind a shocking abuse of these kids - and everyone who has spread and helped to promote them should consider what effects it will have on the kids in the long term - these vids will probably be out there and used by 'conspiracy theorists' for many many years to come, regardless of the truth

the justice system was trying to protect the kids identities

Some of your questions are very valid questions that should be asked and a degree of trepidation is required of course, but to make false accusations, whoever it is, is against the law.

i don't think sabine mcneill will be taking me to court anytime soon

Having seen the police interview with Gabriel, I know exactly what you are talking about.
And you are right.