UK Wants Unemployed Youth to Do Unpaid Work for the State. State Sponsored Slavery or.....?

It's analogous to the Nazis making Jews shovel snow and cut grass with their teeth.

It is pure, hate-inspired political gimmickry.

There is no logic behind it at all.

Youth unemployment has to do with piss-poor education, combined with mass immigration; every year over 200,000 foreigners are added to the UK population, and many of our slimeball employers are preferentially employing this lot over home-grown candidates.

Really, in the face of this, what chance do our youth stand of meaningful, long-term employment and a decent living standard?

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: jude11

Ah, conscripted labor, a long cherished component of socialism.

NO ITS NOT! FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME THIS IS FASCISM!

originally posted by: CJCrawley
It's analogous to the Nazis making Jews shovel snow and cut grass with their teeth.

It is pure, hate-inspired political gimmickry.

There is no logic behind it at all.

Youth unemployment has to do with piss-poor education, combined with mass immigration; every year over 200,000 foreigners are added to the UK population, and many of our slimeball employers are preferentially employing this lot over home-grown candidates.

Really, in the face of this, what chance do our youth stand of meaningful, long-term employment and a decent living standard?

You accuse people of being NazIs than you blame imigrants for the problem yet sadly don't see the irony on your statement do you??

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nullafides

Indentured servitude is not a good idea and this is exactly what these people are proposing.

As opposed indentured tax payers paying for people who do not work? Sounds like the world owes me a free lunch crowd.

I can't get over the moronic sheeple that just say "Go get a JOB !!"

WHERE ?

In Australia they're saying it's 6.4% unemployment (worst in 12+years) around 750,000+ people, what they don't tell you is that the REAL amount is around 1.3 MILLION !

They class people doing 1 hour's work per Month as employed.

There are only around 150,000 Job vacancies at any given time.........

How do you fit 750,000+ unemployed into 150,000 Jobs ? not to mention the True figure of around 1,300,000 ?

The Government needs to focus on the True issue of Job Creation, not "welfare"
placing people into, meaningless, useless chores and forced "make work" slavery kills what little confidence or self worth the unemployed have.
Fix the REAL problem of Corporate GREED and Vampiric Political Corruption and create something that will not only help the economies, but will make people want to break the ruinous cycle of poverty and despair.

Welcome to the UK, A country were if you commit a serious crime you can get a maximum of 300 hours community service handed down by the courts.
A country where Unemployment is considered more of a crime and will see you do community service until you are 26 years old. Rule Britannia....

a reply to: dragonridr

Takes one to know one, Adolf.



a reply to: guitarplayer

I'm actually okay about paying tax for the unemployed - if the alternative is they starve.

If they're all having such a great time at tax-payers' expense, and this grinds your gears, it does rather beg the question why you haven't joined them?

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: dragonridr

Takes one to know one, Adolf.



a reply to: guitarplayer

I'm actually okay about paying tax for the unemployed - if the alternative is they starve.

If they're all having such a great time at tax-payers' expense, and this grinds your gears, it does rather beg the question why you haven't joined them?

Well said.
Here's the kicker, over 4 million sanctions since the tories came to power. that's a lot of £ saved, have you seen your tax go down much.??

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I'm under no illusions re the Tories.

From being a kid I knew them as a "party for the rich".

Cameron's got royal blood FCS, what would he know about the plight of the unemployed?

Doubtless this is just pandering to a populist view about the unemployed among Tory voters, plus he doesn't care so much about the youth vote. A large percentage don't vote.

He relies on the 'grey vote'.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I'm under no illusions re the Tories.

From being a kid I knew them as a "party for the rich".

Cameron's got royal blood FCS, what would he know about the plight of the unemployed?

Doubtless this is just pandering to a populist view about the unemployed among Tory voters, plus he doesn't care so much about the youth vote. A large percentage don't vote.

He relies on the 'grey vote'.

At 48 i'm showing a little grey myself, the trouble for political parties is, With the invention of the internet the gray vote now cuts through the MSM BS. Politics is about to change. The "old" game is over.

a reply to: guitarplayer

"As opposed indentured tax payers paying for people who do not work?"

I cannot argue that "They" obviously tax the wrong people. I say tax the rich and leave the rest of the poor sods alone, after all it's rather pointless to attempt to get blood from a stone. Therein lies the problem regarding taxation, there simply pursuing the wrong crowd.

"Sounds like the world owes me a free lunch crowd."

The world might not owe you or me a free lunch but everyone deserves a chance to succeed. These type of forced government work related projects certainly retard the notion of such. Unless of course one measures success by payment in peanuts.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Aspie


A pub near us opens at 9:30am to cater for the workshy drunks. Same people everyday. These would be my first target. Picking litter would be too good for them. Plus I would pay them in food vouchers so they can't waste them in the pub.

Where is this pub that with £70 you can sit in all day everyday... must be the cheapest pint in the Galaxy. or did you just make that up.?

What i dont get is how people can be so incensed by a person living on £72 a week or less.

Are you completely moronic, these people are all claiming sickand other benefits when there is nothing wrong with them. There is another town 3 miles away that opens at 6am to cater for these drunken scroungers? You seem to like defending these workshy scroungers, are you one of them?

originally posted by: Aspie

Are you completely moronic, these people are all claiming sickand other benefits when there is nothing wrong with them.

Are you a doctor?


Please tell me where you got this medical degree from?


I was on disability temporally a few years back for some lung problems. Outwardly you would think I was "fine". I working now but I get pissed at people like you who think you know what your talking about.

You don't just get put on disability anymore. The medicals you have to go through. Many many get rejected. I had to get THREE doctors opinions. A GP, consultant and the ATOS doctor.

a reply to: crazyewok

Member of that ATOS mob was my thinking also after reading Aspie comment above. If not i imagine he/she should certainly apply for a position with them considering their way of thinking seems to be synonymous, fit right in.

I think its a good thing as long as the work they do does not replace full time work. If you end up unemployed you risk not being able to get up again. If you are kept working on your time off you might decide to look for better.

Interesting....

If you dont want to do anything you dont get anything, whats wrong with that.

They arnt forced to do it, they are however forced to do somthing to get it, we call that a job.

Too lazy to collect benefit? Fine. Sit on your arse.

I think its a good idea, ive mostly been employed, and the times i havnt, i didnt collect benefits because the job center is total garbage so i i used my saving to stay alive. If i had nothing why would i mind doing work for money while i wait to find a job for money instead?

a reply to: Merinda

Everyone at some point will get knocked down in life, become unemployed or face similar social upheavals. The point is these bastards are trying to fix it so you cant get back up again. It's not like any significant proportion of the companies involved are going to turn round after a time and offer the poor souls full time employment when the can simply get another person in the same boat to replace them.

These type of mandatory work related programs will indeed replace full time employment with part time/full time servitude and will only add to our unemployment problem by way of replacing jobs with people who are essentially forced to work for peanuts or starve.

a reply to: Aspie

It's just another attack on the poor, all those rich scrounger kids who get their allowance from the money their rich patrents inherited and then avoided paying tax on pays for them to be be useless.

I work i pay tax, and i dont agree with this terrible scheme.
Attack the youth, attack the poor, blame them for the benefits bill.
Lets forget penshioners, the ones this policy is aimed to please are actually the ones sucking all the benefits money up.
Lets forget the rich who wont have their kids forced into jobs for pennies, no they're all tory moochers, making money stealing from the the Uk people.

originally posted by: Biigs
Interesting....

If you dont want to do anything you dont get anything, whats wrong with that.

They arnt forced to do it, they are however forced to do somthing to get it, we call that a job.

Too lazy to collect benefit? Fine. Sit on your arse.

I think its a good idea, ive mostly been employed, and the times i havnt, i didnt collect benefits because the job center is total garbage so i i used my saving to stay alive. If i had nothing why would i mind doing work for money while i wait to find a job for money instead?

. In principle the ideas fine.

My problem and the problem with a lot here is that the scheme will be open to abuse.

When I was on disability I volenteered at a museum on days my health was not so bad.
It was good experience.

When I left uni I did a 3month unpaid internship at a pharma company, that again was invaluable and allowed me to get a good job at the hight of the recession.

So unpaid work is not always a bad thing.

Problem is corporation using the scheme for subsidised labour or councils using them to fill in for real jobs so they can cut more paid jobs or just using people for menial slave labour.

And what no one wants is unpaid people doing forced work in care homes or around vulnerable people as that is a recipe for abuse of vunrable people.

Any scheme like this needs to be both regulated and flexible at the same time.

And seeing as I would not trust the UK government to organise a piss up in a brewery I certainly don't trust it to get this scheme right.

originally posted by: Biigs to do anything you dont get anything, whats wrong with that.

They arnt forced to do it, they are however forced to do somthing to get it, we call that a job.

Well if it is a job as you say it is, then woukdnt it come under employment laws and pay regulations?
Is $70 a week the legal minimum wage in the UK?
if you want to say it's a job and act like they're working for their 'wage' then shouldn't they be paid at least the legal national minimum wage?

You guys are luckier than you realize - free health care and a real safety net in place for those that need it.
You certainly don't want to go down this slippery slope.