UK Wants Unemployed Youth to Do Unpaid Work for the State. State Sponsored Slavery or.....?

originally posted by: Aspie

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Aspie


A pub near us opens at 9:30am to cater for the workshy drunks. Same people everyday. These would be my first target. Picking litter would be too good for them. Plus I would pay them in food vouchers so they can't waste them in the pub.

Where is this pub that with £70 you can sit in all day everyday... must be the cheapest pint in the Galaxy. or did you just make that up.?

What i dont get is how people can be so incensed by a person living on £72 a week or less.

Are you completely moronic, these people are all claiming sickand other benefits when there is nothing wrong with them. There is another town 3 miles away that opens at 6am to cater for these drunken scroungers? You seem to like defending these workshy scroungers, are you one of them?

I believe it's all in your head. Tell me how much a week "these people" get on the sick. How much it effects your weekly pay packet and other than gossip how you know all this.

Am i one of them??? Hell yeah, nothing i like better than to get up at the crack of dawn and watch all you muppets head off for another day on the hamster wheel.
i sometimes even befriend one of you at the bus stop in the pretense i am starting at the same factory then when they clock in i say..Na NA NA NA NA, i'm off home to my bed to watch jeremy Kyle on my big 52" plasma TV, but i dont go home, instead i head to the pub for a full day of alcoholic beverage guzzling and Cocaine snorting only broken by nipping into the bookies to gamble away YOUR tax money...

I cant for the life of me see why you have a problem with that. must be jealousy.

So there must be jobs to be found if they must work for benefits. Why are these jobs open for receiving benefits but not for hire?
Our countries are run by the same corrupt money hungry suckers feeding corporations. They'll even get some type of tax break to hire or I mean work these youths.

They want us to work they need to create jobs due to the population growth and that has not been happening. Well except you could always join the military. Think that is what they really wanted all along.

originally posted by: Connman
So there must be jobs to be found if they must work for benefits. Why are these jobs open for receiving benefits but not for hire?

Exactly... they'll cut actual paid jobs and "hire" free slave labour.
People can say "Well if it's community work and not private companies then that's fine" but they're still paid jobs.
Who cuts the grass, paints buildings, clears rubbish away, fixes fences and railings... plants trees??
Councils... and more specifically, council workers.... PAID workers.
And councils, funnily enough, are some of the biggest "users" of workfare... kind of funny that, because they've also had among the biggest cuts by the Tories.

Their "Big Society" and "We're all in this together" crap literally means.... we will get rid of paid employment in many places and just replace them with free, slave labour.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
Lets forget penshioners, the ones this policy is aimed to please are actually the ones sucking all the benefits money up.

I take exception to that statement that a *pension* is a benefit

I worked non stop for 40 years and paid into the scheme.

I have EARNED my *pension* it is not a benefit

a reply to: eletheia


Sickness benefit and jobseekers are also paid for by the people claiming them, that's what national insurance is for.

This is all a ploy anyway, to get those on "benefits" or "Rights" to argue and tear each other apart.
It's divisive... the real takers, moochers and greedy twats are those at the top, self serving, millionaire public schoolboy c****

Don't fall into their trap.


*Also just to add unless you have a private pension, you didn't pay into it at all.
National Insurance doesn't cover pensions... they are paid out of general taxation so it is a benefit like any other.
This isn't me trying to argue or give you crap or say you don't deserve it, just pointing out the facts.

It is right that you and everyone get a public pension, it's the decent and moral thing to do, just as it is to pay Sickness or Jobseekers.

As I said, those at the top are stealing our money and making us squabble amongst ourselves.

a reply to: eletheia

It's still a benefit , somebody could work for 40 years then get made unemployed, they've paid into the system but they would still be classed as recieving a benefit.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
Lets forget penshioners, the ones this policy is aimed to please are actually the ones sucking all the benefits money up.

I take exception to that statement that a *pension* is a benefit

I worked non stop for 40 years and paid into the scheme.

I have EARNED my *pension* it is not a benefit

yer 10 years short, back to work "scrounger"

originally posted by: blupblup



Sickness benefit and jobseekers are also paid for by the people claiming them, that's what national insurance is for.

Don't fall into their trap.

You might note I said 40 yrs. non stop. No claims for sickness or

unemployment.

Many of the unemployed are too young to have paid into the system

yet and it may not be some of their faults that they haven't as yet got

employment.

However last night I watched a TV reality programme, where this

youth who had never worked (Showed little inclination or desire to work)

put his benefits card into the ATM took out some notes, kissed them and

laughed, saying to the effect " best way to get cash"

a reply to: eletheia


Ah gotcha... so because of a few bad apples, we should punish everyone right?
There will always be people who abuse the system, every system... people will exploit things for financial gain and other people too.

We may as well ban football because some fans chanted racist stuff.... we may as well lock up all men right now, because a percentage are rapists you know.

We cannot let the actions of a teeny, tiny percent ruin what is a necessary and vital aid for many, many people.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: blupblup



Sickness benefit and jobseekers are also paid for by the people claiming them, that's what national insurance is for.

Don't fall into their trap.

You might note I said 40 yrs. non stop. No claims for sickness or

unemployment.



However last night I watched a TV reality programme, where this

youth who had never worked (Showed little inclination or desire to work)

put his benefits card into the ATM took out some notes, kissed them and

laughed, saying to the effect " best way to get cash"

And then you punched the telly. go on, admit it.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol


And then you punched the telly. go on, admit it.

LOL!! Your post made me smile .... Seriously though if there were

less people screwing the system, there might just probably be

enough to go around for those that *really* needed it.

But Hey ho! there are a lot of lazy, greedy, people out there

feeling *entitled*

a reply to: eletheia

It's all well and good taking that stance and getting annoyed at the scroungers, but really, their effect on our society/GDP is very little when compared to say, you know, the coorporations, upper classes, rich people etc. We all pay our way, on benefits or not, by paying tax on goods bought within the UK and NI contributions. That alone covers benefits etc. I'd be more angry we give away 100's of billions of £££ every year to other countries lol

a reply to: eletheia

What you say is probably quite true, but if there were less rich people screwing the system from the other direction i imagine the problems we face would be significantly reduced. Go after the £18+ billion regarding tax evasion before addressing the little fish!

I mean it stands to reason, after all what exactly are "they" after? The fools with the stash that can actually pay or the poor souls "they" willingly persecute that cannot give an inch?

One could possibly conclude its all about sacrifice, ours not there's!

This may seem off-topic, but I'll say it anyway: I believe we are literally - and I do mean literally - at war, but the vast majority don't know it, as it's in a form we haven't been programmed to recognise. The forces that control our society are insidiously working against us. Eventually we will have to fight back.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

How about the fact that our local authorities will actively encourage the use of FOOD BANKS regarding not only the unemployed and destitute but also a significantly increasingly percentage of people in employment. Yet if you commit a crime(even a petty one these days) and are punished by way of incarceration at any one of the HMPs dotted throughout our nation our government will willingly provide you with 3 square meals a day(However horrific they may be), free electricity and gas, plus TV and Playstaion. Not to mention use of recreational, gym and/or educational facilities?

Now thats some down right hypocrisy in action, ladies and gentlemen i give you the United Kingdom. A place where we treat our criminal element better than our unemployed and homeless citizens.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Completely get your point, BUT (and you'll prob think I'm a twat for saying it) a court will not send someone unemployed to prison for refusing to do the work, they will just stop their claim, and it remains a choice to claim benefits. Social circumstances may make it a very attractive choice, but it remains a choice.

I strongly agree that if the multinationals were forced to pay up their taxes then it would yield a much higher return for less effort....but I know plenty of folk who choose to jump through DWP rules over working, every time, and I don't really give a toss that they do.
I'm self-employed and avoid as much tax as I can legally, and I haven't claimed any benefits for years, not because of any moral/social reasons, just that I'm left totally the # alone by the state aside from my annual tax return...and I like that.

Your crime is not being wealthy enough to not need a job, welcome to modern Tory Britain. Are those shackles tight? Good.

originally posted by: cosmic66
a reply to: eletheia

It's all well and good taking that stance and getting annoyed at the scroungers, but really, their effect on our society/GDP is very little when compared to say, you know, the coorporations, upper classes, rich people etc. We all pay our way, on benefits or not, by paying tax on goods bought within the UK and NI contributions. That alone covers benefits etc. I'd be more angry we give away 100's of billions of £££ every year to other countries lol

I admire your ethics LOL Someone's defrauding, scrounging

cheating, is defined totally by the amount in ££££££££££££££'s involved.

A bit like being a *little* bit pregnant would you say