Gamergate and Cyber Bullying

originally posted by: InTheLight
It exists and there are females here on ATS that have portrayed themselves as both sexes in gaming and found discrepancies.

Indeed I agree,

-Women online get more attention
-They get more help
-They get free gifts from other players they hardly know
-They get friends invitations about 3x than men do

I should know, my GF is a gamer. It also reminds me of a MMO I was playing and this girl had 4 fully boosted characters in a year and didn't even have one and played for 6 years. Other players all the time we're asking if she needed help while I was there almost screaming for help. I even had other players CANCEL my mission to help HER get new sets of clothes that bring absolutely no stats. On top of this, I'm 5x better in every situation...bah I'm ranting, but it's all true.

originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: InTheLight
It exists and there are females here on ATS that have portrayed themselves as both sexes in gaming and found discrepancies.

Indeed I agree,

-Women online get more attention
-They get more help
-They get free gifts from other players they hardly know
-They get friends invitations about 3x than men do

I should know, my GF is a gamer. It also reminds me of a MMO I was playing and this girl had 4 fully boosted characters in a year and didn't even have one and played for 6 years. Other players all the time we're asking if she needed help while I was there almost screaming for help. I even had other players CANCEL my mission to help HER get new sets of clothes that bring absolutely no stats. On top of this, I'm 5x better in every situation...bah I'm ranting, but it's all true.

When I was playing poker as a male a woman (or a man pretending to be a woman?) with a sexy avatar asked me for more chips because she was running low. I told her to learn how to play better, but she just went on to another perceived male player, who had the choice whether or not to oblige her. I never had to ask anyone for more chips.

originally posted by: InTheLight
What substantiates these claims is actual people, men and women, making claims of harassment and if you don't want to believe either the people being harassed nor companies that research this harassment, then there is really nothing that can be said to make you believe it, now is there?

Nice try.

A handful of people making claims does not provide NEARLY enough data points to establish the existence of a pattern.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't count as "studies". I'm not saying this sort of thing doesn't happen, there's no doubt in my mind that there are ignorant, bigoted people out there....what I'm saying is that i don't believe that they constitute a majority.

In September 2012, a study showed that 45% of the polled female players already either received sexist comments or threats, or been harassed or provoked in the video game community while they were not playing, 5 times as much as men. 78% of women had their video games skill or taste challenged, compared to 6% of men. 11% of men and 7% of women admitted to being targeted by sexists comments or behaviors. Overall, 79% of the polled players think that sexism is prevalent in the video gaming community.[1] A study from 2006 showed that 83.4% of gamers had seen the words "gay" or "queer" used as derogatory names, and that 52.7% of gay gamers perceived the gaming community as "somewhat hostile" while 14% perceived it as "very hostile".[19]

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, because everything on wikipedia is completely trustworthy....This article links back to wikipedia's entry on GamerGate, which is horribly biased, and full of inaccuracies, and outright bulls**t.

The 2012 "study" referenced above isn't actually a study...it was a survey/poll, done by a columnist at the site....it's conclusions are derived from such a laughable sample size (874 people), that it can hardly be considered relevant. Answers on a survey from 874 people, absolutely does not provide an accurate representation of the MILLIONS of gamers out there...if you think it does, then there is no point in talking to you.

As to the second one...people say offensive stuff all the time.....not saying it's right, but again, there are just stupid people out there. When i play battlefield, I get called "faggot" all the time, because I'm not playing the way the kid calling me the name wants me to ....I also get told to "go f**k yourself", "eat a dick", "get raped", "get cancer", "die in a fire"...it's usually immature kids saying all this crap....and i chalk that up to G.I.F.T.

Hell, I had this chick leading the team I was on once...omfg, did she have a foul mouth, and a nasty temper to her....she was good as hell though, and I stuck with that team for several rounds...

Point is, just because someone is calling people "faggot", doesn't necessarily mean they're homophobic....I mean, it's something of a safe bet, but it's not always the case...

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Prezbo369

Read the articles' with study results and take off your blinders.

As has been said, polls are not studies.

You should take off your victim goggles and join reality methinks....

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Prezbo369

Read the articles' with study results and take off your blinders.

As has been said, polls are not studies.

You should take off your victim goggles and join reality methinks....

Those are not polls, they are studies.

a reply to: Daedalus

Nice try, but no soap.

Findings indicate that, on average, the female voice received three times as many negative comments as the male voice or no voice. In addition, the female voice received more queries and more messages from other gamers than the male voice or no voice.

www.themarysue.com...

Now tear this study apart if you can.

a reply to: Daedalus

The idea that GG is misogynistic is ludicris to any observant critical thinker anyway.
It's not about gender, it never was.
The mere fact there is a large segment of women supporting GG.

It's about what you do.
But as with feminism, to the critics, it's about the incidentals *sex etc* the shallow appearances of who you are.
And they show it day after day after day.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: Daedalus

The idea that GG is misogynistic is ludicris to any observant critical thinker anyway.
It's not about gender, it never was.
The mere fact there is a large segment of women supporting GG.

It's about what you do.
But as with feminism, to the critics, it's about the incidentals *sex etc* the shallow appearances of who you are.
And they show it day after day after day.

It's actually the creators/business aspect of the gaming videos that seek to continue to make money and not rock the boat. Not rocking the boat would include NOT portraying women as fully clothed heroines because the 'sex sells' aspect would then be taken away.

a reply to: InTheLight

Yes, so hand-wave away everything I said, and just toss more crap up...yeah, I've seen this play before..

I'd LOVE to tear apart the study, but it's behind a paywall.....not exactly inspiring a lot of confidence.

So all I really have to go on, is the author of the article's interpretation of the study...again, not conclusive evidence of anything.

Not to mention, as I understand it, the "study" was done, using canned recordings...who's to say the canned recordings weren't just annoying, or that people had figured out that they were canned recordings? There are entirely too many variables to account for.

Have YOU read this study?

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

Yeah, I know this, and you know this...but there are obviously others here, incapable of seeing things as they really are...

"It's easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

a reply to: InTheLight

Because the Tomb Raider reboot, Mirror's Edge, the entire Mass Effect series(all hail FemShep), Remember Me, and Beyond Good and Evil did SO terribly, AMIRITE?

a reply to: Daedalus

How about you providing studies that completely refute sexism and harassment within the video gaming world? I can't find any.

a reply to: InTheLight

Yet they gave Sarkeesian a award.

And, it's funny how hyper focused on PR you feminists are for women.
Men get the ripped beefcake treatment more often than not.
But. you focus on women.
Which can only be achieved by ignoring THE FACT that gaming has been all inclusive from the get go.
Meaning it has always included and accepted women and girls.
And people tend to want to play idealized characters.

a reply to: InTheLight

How about you provide studies that conclusively prove it's existence.

This door swings both ways, Neighbor.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: InTheLight

How about you provide studies that conclusively prove it's existence.

This door swings both ways, Neighbor.

You need to catch up.

a reply to: Daedalus

True.
But there's something definitely human about still trying despite staggering odds against.

a reply to: InTheLight

How so?

You haven't provided anything of the sort.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

Indeed...Stories like this, ALWAYS do well, because it is in our nature to continue to fighting for what's right, despite the odds... Even if there is NO chance of winning, we still give it our best..

a reply to: Daedalus

Ok.
Time for me to reference geek out.
XD

@1:28

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: InTheLight

How so?

You haven't provided anything of the sort.

Shall we dance round in circles? I'll lead then.