Massive Donetsk Ukraine Explosion

a reply to: noeltrotsky

I am not so sure about that. I'll try to find some other chemical plant explosion videos for comparison.

Here is an IR video of the T2 plant explosion in Jacksonville, FL. From what I understand, this explosion was so big because there was a pressurized chamber that exploded.




This is the PEPCON explosion in Henderson, NV:

originally posted by: KnightLight
Another Angle, in this black and white video you can see small explosions before the big blast.

Yeah it's so hard to evaluate an explosion. The vid Jrod posted sure is different...brighter for longer.

I re-posted the link I mentioned as it is one of the few vids that don't move to the area just before the explosion. That movement of the cameras tells me that there were some small prior explosions to attract the cameras to that area and then the large explosion happened.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
en.wikipedia.org...
CEP less than 95m means than 50% of missiles will land within 95m of the target.
just what kind of BS are they selling?
if they did manage to pull that off using tochka-u, i may as well try my luck on the lottery, the chances should be even bigger.

It's true. That's why I still think it was a Smerch system. The low light video picks up a few explosions just prior to the main explosion. Just blanket the factory with artillery rockets and they'll get it eventually. Could be the Grad as well, but smaller explosions.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
My intel says :300 mm bm-30 smerch using 9m55c therobaric warheads.
The detonation was VERY hot.

i guess it does makes sense.
what doesn't though is why would they lie about using tochka-u?

a reply to: jedi_hamster

It`s less than 95m and...

Reports suggest that it can be launched in either a ballistic or cruise missile mode. The ballistic mode provides an increased range and speed, but the cruise mode allows for stealth and higher accuracy.

Source

originally posted by: FarleyWayne

According to Gen Alexander Rushkin, the Russian deputy chief of staff, the new bomb is smaller than the MOAB but much deadlier because, due to nanotechnology, the temperature at the epicentre of the blast is twice as high.

"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," he said.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," ORT added.

"All that is alive merely evaporates."

Despite its destructive qualities, the bomb is environmentally friendly, Gen Rushkin said.

Sept-2007 - Russian army 'tests the father of all bombs'

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OBSERVATION:

So this one doesn't have to be 'Nuclear' to appear ... 'Nuclear'.
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LMAO, Oh boy did you drink the cool aid on that one. The bomb was so big it had to be rolled out of the back of one of their cargo planes, On a cargo sled, it was nothing more than a very crude pile of explosives. They lied and made an Iranian style video showing a Blackjack bomber dropping a bomb causing the same explosion which is laughable.

If the Russian military is talking, they are pretty much lying.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: jedi_hamster

It`s less than 95m and...

Reports suggest that it can be launched in either a ballistic or cruise missile mode. The ballistic mode provides an increased range and speed, but the cruise mode allows for stealth and higher accuracy.

Source

it doesn't say that this higher accuracy is higher than the advertised 95m though, that is, that the 95m CEP isn't for cruise mode.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
i guess it does makes sense.
what doesn't though is why would they lie about using tochka-u?

The Tochka leaves really easy to identify parts. It could very well have been multiple Tochka's seen in the vid landing just prior to the big explosion. Not sure about it's accuracy, but reported values aren't all that useful.

Why lie if it wasn't Tochka's? Good question! Not to sure...the rebels might think that complaining of ballistic missile strikes might get Putin to cough up some better goodies to play with. Russia has lots of Tochka's and the rebels might be trying to convince Vlad to send another white truck convey with some old ones he doesn't need anymore.

yes indeed.... an Atomic Demolition Munition

the tell-tale shock wave gave the explosion away... No primary explosion causing a secondary target to blow up would send out that clearly singular shock-wave of noise and wind..
I was not a low yield nuke... it was an Atomic Munition perhaps a artillery shell or a drone with a device on it getting triggered at a certain coordinate




of course the gov't will say otherwise... tactical Atomic munitions in the 5 KT range are a 1st stage of a mad-max paradigm

a reply to: jedi_hamster

No, but your wiki and other sources say it`s less than 95m, whatever that means.

Russia even still used them in the `99/`00 and`08 wars, so I don`t think they are that bad.

looking at all the comments there is fair argument on both sides. but years back I read something on CND , s ( compact nuclear devices . highly portable and can be buried away ,,, say in the middle of a city.... then when the # hits the fan , send a signal , boom. could all be nonsense , but worth a thought , they can collide atoms now , why couldn't they put a CND into a smaller missile? a reply to: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: St Udio
yes indeed.... an Atomic Demolition Munition

the tell-tale shock wave gave the explosion away... No primary explosion causing a secondary target to blow up would send out that clearly singular shock-wave of noise and wind..
I was not a low yield nuke... it was an Atomic Munition perhaps a artillery shell or a drone with a device on it getting triggered at a certain coordinate

 

of course the gov't will say otherwise... tactical Atomic munitions in the 5 KT range are a 1st stage of a mad-max paradigm

Assuming of course that it wasn't in the sub-kiloton range, an energy equivalent of 200 tons say, wouldn't that still be nuclear as long as the charge was? Of course it would. Hmmm, too many know it alls here.

Video of crater at 0:49 min :

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Nice video! Damn that's 30 feet deep I bet! I don't see any chemical factory around there either.

Hmmm....

Hmmm, so it did not hit the chemical factory ?

Strange story it`s starting to be, but we are used to having those over here.

The crater is about 10m (30 ft) deep. It is located on the territory of a chemical factory, but it did not hit any of the main buildings. Whether there was any building at the actual location of the explosion is impossible to tell: the earth is black, all the trees scorched and there is nothing left at all. DNR experts estimate the blast as being the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. The sound of the explosion was heard 50km away. From the shape of the crater, it doe not appear to be a fuel-air explosive (FAE), but 1 ton of equivalent TNT is way bigger than the 500kg HE warhead the Tochka-U can carry. This leads me to believe that the Ukrainians might have used a new weapon or, at least, a modified one. All we know for sure is that it was not a nuclear device. Also, it makes me wonder what in the world they were trying to hit - maybe the chemicals factory, but if that it the case, then the missed by 1000m or so.

Source

So lets see, didn't hit the factory
which leaves only one source for explosion
-the shell itself , delivered via airstrike? though i'm not an expert, it must have been massive

a reply to: all2human

Negative. The story says it did not hit the MAIN building.
There could have been a building onsite prior to the shell hitting.

I wonder if it was an old Scud B missile? They aren't accurate but do carry about 1000 Kg. The Ukraine had a bunch of them but I thought they were mothballed awhile ago.

www.nti.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Just trying to figure out how they delivered so much explosive if it wasn't a chemical factory blowing up.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

They are supposed to be destroyed according to wiki, but there are other ex-Soviet states who have been unloading old Soviet weaponry to the Ukraine and which some show as just retired...so it could be not all were destroyed or from those countries.

Well if it isn't a Scud then I have to start thinking it is NOT a missile that is normally stocked by Ukraine. Now we start going down the rabbit hole of NATO weapons...

It sure would be an interesting time to fire a NATO ballistic missile at the separatists. Nice little message for the negotiations for Wednesday in Minsk!

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That is the story RT ran with....after possibly they(RT) saw a few of the deleted threads here.....cough cough

As far as I am concerned RT owes me some bitcoins.

Seriously though, the war that is going on over there now has my attention.