1500 Year Old Bible Found, nobody want's to know - Could be real deal

originally posted by: primus2012
a reply to: charlyv

Well, to be fair, it says "could be the real deal" and that would be a reference to the content which would be all about religion.

There is a difference between preaching one's faith, and objectively studying the content to determine if it is authentic.

a reply to: charlyv

Would you want to moderate the 16 pages here?
Short straw.

a reply to: shauny

I believed Man went to the moon

"Believed" past tense...whats your feelings now?

I saw the photos of the observatories and your access to them, I understand you cleared up your confusion.
Any thoughts on Stanley Kubricks supposed involvement in building a studio that had the "moon landing staged"

www.jayweidner.com...

All NASA did was give the tin foil hat brigade something to debate. And in fairness it confused me

Thanks I understand and would appreciate a reply to the above

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: charlyv

Would you want to moderate the 16 pages here?
Short straw.

Wow, what a challenge.

I believe that my shortage in religious history, other that the belief that it has caused extreme friction in the ability of mankind to evolve to a more peaceful existence, is not able to keep up with those that have committed them to their true belief system. But I do understand how that can happen.

On the same note, my belief in GOD is real, but it takes on no resemblance to what you would find in a scripture. I believe GOD is everywhere. To do that, GOD needed to be replicated, and I believe it is in every strand of DNA , and most likely deeper than that, and we have not got there yet.

So, would I be a good candidate for that? My bias is in extremes.

No matter how old any writing is it is still the writing of man not some deity. In your short life you can choose to believe the word of other human beings of equal worth to yourself or in your own experience. Be good to each other, follow the golden rule.

originally posted by: shauny

I am saying, if the Bibles of today are real, then this is real. If this new book is fake, they are all fake.

good point.

a reply to: charlyv

Was more a question to your question; 'why have the mods allowed so much off topic in this thread.'
I think there are about 5-10 posts pertaining to the actual document in the OP.

Who could possibly read all those emotionally charged pages in a volunteer job? Its only fair they wait for an alert on a post. Not scan every page and post.

I know it nearly made me stick a fork in my eyes at times going through the pages but I wasn't going to alert, as its interested reading peoples psyche as much as its frustrating.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: primus2012
a reply to: charlyv

Well, to be fair, it says "could be the real deal" and that would be a reference to the content which would be all about religion.

There is a difference between preaching one's faith, and objectively studying the content to determine if it is authentic.

It's hard for people to objectively comment on this particular bible as no one from what I can see have had access to it to review and research, so it is going to inspire faith based debate instead. They should allow scholars to get their hot little hands on it.

If you want some snippets of what people have said (and it is really really lreally limited) read here:
www.timothymichaellaw.com...
www.reuters.com...

a reply to: shauny


It's written in the wrong language for the time period that it's alleged to be from.

truthorfiction.com...

Christians are notorious for believing things regardless of what evidence or logic says. It's crazy how there are so many wars, so many deaths and so much suffering based on what people BELIEVE. We, as humans, are complete morons and deserve to be wiped from existence.

originally posted by: shauny

This is an article I did on my own page a while ago, thought I would share here.

If this is true and NOBODY can say it is not. All I ever hear from religion is "There is proof" So here you are, 'Proof' A book, pre-dates already to 500AD. If this book is real then it changes religion. But like ANY bible it will be scrutinised and called wrong and blasphemous. I am saying, if the Bibles of today are real, then this is real. If this new book is fake, they are all fake. I dislike what religion does to this planet. So for me I know it will hurt friends and family, but to all religious people reading this, you can't have your cake and eat it. This is either real or fake. I can hear it already "MUSLIM LIES" If this book is real, millions of people have been living a blind lie. But if this book is wrong, well I don't know how that can be. The Vatican have requested to see it. I will keep you updated. From my understanding carbon dating has been done a few times, and 1,500 years old.

A Bible which is reported to be at least 1500 years old was discovered in Turkey and inside it there is a Gospel of Barnabas. The book was moved by Turkish government to one of their museums by way of police escort. Barnabas was one of the disciples of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of Barnabas, it states that Christ was never crucified. It reads instead that he rose to heaven while alive and Judas was the one crucified instead. Additionally, this ancient Bible declares that Jesus was not the Son of God, but only a prophet who spoke the word of God. The book also calls the Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. In a press release that was sent out by the Turkish government, it said that the Bible was snatched from a mob of smugglers in a Mediterranean region operation. The report explained that the group was accused of trafficking antique relics, performing illegal archaeological digs, and being in the possession of explosives. The book itself is believed to be valued as high as $28 million.

According to religious experts and specialists located in Tehram, they believe the Bible is an original. It is written in gold letters, against loosely bound blackened leather in Aramaic, which is the language that Jesus would have spoken. It is thought that during the Council of Nicea that the Catholic Church chose which Gospels that appear in the regular Bible as it is known today. They would have tossed out the Gospel of Barnabas along with many others in favor of the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There have been numerous supposed Biblical texts which have come to light over time, including the Dead Sea Gnostic Gospels. However this ancient Bible has especially seemed to brought worry to the Vatican.

What would something like this mean to any Christian based religions and their believers? It would cause a very tight spot. The Vatican has requested the Turkish authorities to let them look at the inside of the book within the Church. Now that the ancient Bible has been found and the contents released to the public, what will the Catholic church have to say about it? To believers of the Christian faith, this book will be considered a fraud and a fake, something to be ignored and forgotten about. To atheists, agnostics or people who are secular thinkers, they may wonder if the text is real or not. More than likely they will not even care.

As was mentioned above, the Vatican has made an authorized request to the Turkish government to have a look at the book. It was reportedly penned in Aramaic, which is a nearly dead language. It is only spoken in the modern world in a tiny village located near Damascus. It has been reported to the media that mere photocopies of the ancient Bible’s pages are being retailed for nearly $2 million. Along with that, the age, flawless construction, and the contents inside the ancient Bible are what make it so valuable. Repeating: a Bible which is reported to be at least 1500 years old was discovered in Turkey and inside it there is a Gospel of Barnabas. The book was moved by Turkish government to one of their museums by way of police escort. Barnabas was one of the disciples of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of Barnabas, it states that Christ was never crucified

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Great post bud.

I guess, it's important to recall that prior to the Council of Nicea and I think maybe the another one before that, there was far more diversity in Christian thought and sects.

There were books and sects that said Jesus was all man and not divine, kinda like a Mohammed or prophet.

There were those who had a mystical gnostic bent, almost eastern in philosophy. That the godhead is within you and you need to go within.

There were those who believed Jesus was all God and not in a real human body.

And then there was the Paulian belief basically that Jesus was both god and man, and was the son of god, and also was part of a trinity.

After these councils, instituted by Constantine, these other books and sects were persecuted over time as heresy.

We do know, however of their existence from the earliest times.

And, with the discovery of the Nag Hamaddi texts in Egypt, we have recovered some of them.

originally posted by: ccseagull
a reply to: shauny

This has been circulating since it was found in 2012.

It contradicts Christianity as well as Islam. In fact what I was able to see is a lot of thinking that it's a tool to promote Islam (no offence to such members, I'm simply restating what I kept coming across). And the Vatican has called it a hoax, I just went online and from what I can see is enough to prove that it's not the written word of God (my personal conclusion).
The Bible is the inspired word of God by the Holy Spirit.

It doesn't change my viewpoint of the Bible. When you look at James, Matthew, Luke and John these are 4 separate books by 4 separate writers and the word matches up with each other. And if you look at the Bible as a whole the stories line up.

In my opinion this is nothing but a fake. As well Satan is busy copying God in his every moments and why wouldn't he twist the words of God by having someone mess with the Bible. What a great way to create doubt and division in believers and show non believers that the Bible is nothing but messed up stories. What a great way for Satan to say Jesus was a nobody who wasn't the son of God and we don't have to believe him.

The Bible has all kinds of contradictions.

Also, the current canon of the Bible was chosen specifically by scholars trying to align the canon with the idea that Jesus was the son of God, part of a trinity, etc.

So it is a logical fallacy to say "well all the books in the NT have that viewpoint, so it must be true!!" No, they were specifically chosen to do so, and the other books and sects were suppressed as heresy from that time onwards.

originally posted by: Awen24

originally posted by: Tangerine
I imagine you'll dispute this and, if so, I challenge you to cite contemporaneous documentation (ie. historical evidence) proving that Jesus actually lived.

...the gospels ARE contemporaneous documentation.
Being a religious text doesn't magically remove them from the historical context they were written in.

No they are not, the earliest dates given by scholars is that they were written decades after Jesus, but even maybe 100 years later.

originally posted by: ccseagull
a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

It gets so tiring. Doesn't matter what heading it can come over there's always the same faces chipping away and making fun. I don't have the time to and check out every post and so just look at the ones that catch my attention. And if there is a Muslim or atheist or new ager I keep my mouth shut because that is THEIR view. I'm not out to attack anyone. I might offer a response to a question or try to help but I do not understand this viewpoint of always insisting we prove anything or that we are foolish to believe what we believe.

And then I remind myself of who's running the show and the influence he has over their lives. And so I lay in bed at night and pray for them all. We must guard our hearts not to be hardened against those that oppose us.

But it does get tiring, same old, same old. It's almost like their doing the hover dance, "When will a Christian post appear cause I'm getting antsy to attack." If you don't believe in something or don't agree with it then go and read about the stuff that does interest you. Well maybe one day some little word written will plant a seed.

You know, I was raised Christian and many of my friends are evangelicals. i've also studied Christian history extensively.

Your argument, which too many Christians make, is extremely dismissive and fallacious. "Oh what you have logical arguments against Christianity. Or, Biblical history and early Christianity didn't conform with current Dogma? Well I don't need to listen because the only possible explanation is that Satan has deluded all of you and obviously planted all of this evidence, including deluding half of the early Christians and gnostics. Be gone followers of Satan!"

Lol

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: ccseagull

Tell me about it, especially seeing threads about "Please, stop the hate towards Islam" and yet the hatred towards Christianity is accepted. Hypocrites and I'm not scared to say it.

There is a big difference. Any generalized stereotypes or hatred towards "All Christians" or "All Muslims" is wrong, which should be readily apparent.

Many many many westerners are totally bigoted against ALL Muslims. Those threads and statements that show this are bad.

So too are people if they claim all Christians are bad.

This is very different than meditated and intelligent discourse over SOME Christians or Muslims, OR the history of various religions. It's also very different from actually dissecting where the faithful are not really in line with logical or historical analyses.

Apologies if someone already posted this. From the comments section:

Scott Marlott · Top Commenter · Ucmo
There are many serious problems with this 'book' that seem to indicate it's a hoax. First, the date given on the cover states "In the 1500th year of our lord." That would be 1500 AD---500 years ago, not 1,500 years ago. Secondly, it's written in modern Assyrian, not ancient Aramaic, and contains numerous misspellings and grammatical errors, indicating it was written by somebody who is not an native speaker of Assyrian. Modern Assyrian, btw, came into use in the 1840s---barely a century and a half ago. Finally, it is bound in flat pages in book form, a practice that did not exist before the early Middle Ages. Any book written 1,500 years ago would have been on a single long sheet and rolled up in scroll form. That's why ancient books are called "scrolls."
Reply · Like · 70 · Follow Post · September 15, 2014 at 4:06am

Corabel Diel · Top Commenter · Directress/ Owner at Children's Progressive School
Wow..thank you for the information
Reply · Like · 1 · September 15, 2014 at 4:44am

Thomas Baumann · ETH Zurich
Where do have the information from ? There are no pictures of it or it's cover (the picture on top of this article is clearly a unrelated photo).
There are versions of this text only found in Italian from the 18th century.
Reply · Like · 10 · September 22, 2014 at 12:29pm

Scott Marlott · Top Commenter · Ucmo
The Smithsonian magazine. I have since learned a little more about this book. It was discovered in 1985 among smugglers during a raid. It was rediscovered in 2000 in the storage room of a Turkish police station. According to an examination conducted by the Turkish authorities in 1985, it is not even the Gospel of Barnabas, but a collection of random biblical passages and quotes. The erroneous details in the above article originate with Turkish tabloids from the 2000s, who have spun this into something totally different. Virtually nothing in the above article appears to be accurate.
Reply · Like · 23 · September 22, 2014 at 8:13pm

There's no reason to think Scott Marlott is any more credible than Latin Times, but it's food for thought.

a reply to: shauny

I'm going to go with a fake on this one....something just seems to smell of hoax.

Does this tie the Catholic Church to lies? Is this the reason why the church killed and hunted the Templar knights?

Does this have something to do with the last Fatima secret? I am Catholic and disgusted with the Vaticans past, so many lies and dark secrets. It seems like it comes to money and power, my faith is unchanged but I can not support liars, muderers and pretenders.

a reply to: rebelv

Good quote
Shaun

a reply to: charlyv

This, sadly, is what people do, we call it religion, but it's people

Well said