1500 Year Old Bible Found, nobody want's to know - Could be real deal

a reply to: Tangerine

Sorry, I guess my sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I intended. I was just predicting what fanatically religious folks would say.

a reply to: shauny

I would hope that you would know, that other religions (especially Islam) have been printing 'corrected' and 'other' bibles for centuries right? These would be 'edits' done in the name of historicity, and NOT because they wanted to demean and potentially harm Christianity, right? Just because it is 1500 years old, doesn't make it accurate, or legitimate. If it does not line up with the scripture we know TODAY, then it is a false book, designed to sow dissent. Sorry, but your OP does not hold weight. I will wait to see whether or not this is a Muslim fraud, or if it is simply a really old book.

Well there is no part of the bible found that was written before or during the time of Jesus. That includes old testament new testament, lost books and gnostic gospels. The earliest book was written around 50 AD all the way to 300 AD so the age of this book isn't that far off. I don't think the question here is whether the book is real or fake but whether the bible itself is real or fake. Well obviously real as a book but are many of the stories fake, we know some are so which ones are which? You know Joseph Smith copied the story of Mohamed to create the morman religion and no one seems to see those similarities. See it doesn't matter if the book is real or fake the whole story of Jesus may very well be fake.

a reply to: shauny

Just my two cents...

I think the ATS members who touched on the fact that the issue is truly with whether the bible is true are on the right track.
Even if this book ends up being from the middle ages it's just further proof that there have always been drastic differences in how religious peoples viewed their religious history.

All the Abrahamic religions are parted amalgams of other religions and what was in style at the time. The jewish traditions of the old old testament are vastly different from the traditions in the newer parts of the old testament. Christianity is much different in 800AD then it was in the first century. Even Islam has changed significantly since its inception.
All the changes have led to vastly different modern interpretations of what each religion really is and a wide gamut of modern religious practices.

To me this more than anything proves the bible and the collected works around it are based on fallacy.
Why would the religions change if they were divinely inspired and exactly what god wanted communicated?
Did he change his mind? Was it a subtle manipulation, god knowing that over time people would get what he really meant and learn to disregard the fat so to speak? Did god have no idea what was really going on and has honestly been surprised again and again by humanity? Can an omniscient omnipotent being be surprised and confused? Is god just a dick who tells people BS because he wants to see how stupid humans are?

Occum's razor suggests to me that people write what they want to write and people believe what they want to believe. It's a simple direct answer that doesn't need magic to be true or needs to be based on evidence we can't gather without a time machine. People tend to lie, even to themselves I'm not inclined to trust a bunch of people who's social system is based on a elite class that doesn't have to perform the same work load as others because they are special and dedicated to a higher power.

But Seriously has any one actually read the whole bible, torah talmud and koran? Because they can't even keep history/god straight in their own pages let alone between religions. God is portrayed as some crazed schizophrenic with dementia and a blood lust. It's really rather creepy.

a reply to: shauny
I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but this topic was already posted on May, 4 2014 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe. Still a good topic to rediscuss

a reply to: Hijinx

We both know such evidence will never be found.
Every person in this or any other thread like it will know the same.
Faith, that inner spirit of what is read and taught is what I respect in people.
Religion does cause our World issues, but it's people within religion, it is man made, so can be taken as such.

Cheers

a reply to: ccseagull

HA HA @ Zooming into my Kitchen
I respect people, I respect views. In Scotland Catholic/Protestant issues are REALLY bad, people die in 2015 over them still.
The West of my Country has become almost as bad as Northern Ireland. I am in the East and I have not seen as much as a flute band in my life, lucky I guess, they cause huge problems. I think people can do as they please, but when a Protestant band walk through a Catholic area it becomes something else.

Football (Soccer is lived and breathed here, it is what we live for and do, pretty much same as all over Europe I guess. I always say "It's not the flag you fly, it's what you are intending on doing, what your reasons for flying it are"
Here Protestant's fly Israel flags
Catholics fly Palestine flags
It is a LOT more than just flags.
I am half Irish/Scottish.
Called Shaun...
Support Celtic Football Club
Used to be a Catholic
HARD GIG IN SCOTLAND let me tell you!! lol

It is political now, religion is masked these days.
Rangers sing "Up to our knee's in fenian blood"
Celtic sing this:



Scotland is a very loyalist/Unionist place. Mason's are in over drive here.
Saying that a tourist ANYWHERE in my small country would not notice any of this..

This is what our Country is at it's worst...It has subtitles.
It is pretty bad, so I am warning.. lol


I understand oppression first hand, both Scotland and Ireland were killed, raped and more by England.
I lean more towards being 'Republican' NOT IRA! Just Republican. I hate to see oppression, like the song above.
I don't hate Israel, I can't. I do however think Palestine should be seen as a country, whatever.
We gave peace a chance over here, it took a time, but we did it.
The queen shook hands with the man who killer her Cousin, Louis Mountbatten. Many seen hope.
It caused a LOT of problems.



One day Religion will not kill people. It has stopped here in reality.

Sorry for the long reply... I was on a roll lol

a reply to: chr0naut

You are right.
Guesswork.

a reply to: lost in space

With utter respect, I must confess these thoughts have entered my mind RE: Religion.
I believe in MY GOD. It's a healthy relationship.
You are right, Religion causes issues. How can it be God's words if Men wrote it. Edited it a few times.
Took our parts that were not to be known through the ages.
Also "No man shall marry/have sex with another man" I don't know the EXACT phrase..
Why no mention of Woman marrying?
Yeah men wrote the Bible, no argument my friend..

As always, just an opinion, I never set out to offend.
We can only be offended if we choose to be I believe.

originally posted by: shauny


Barnabas was one of the disciples of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of Barnabas, it states that Christ was never crucified. It reads instead that he rose to heaven while alive and Judas was the one crucified instead.

Still reading, but from this bit, it sounds like this is an ancient version of the Quran? Or an early hybrid of the Bible and Quran.

I am unclear why you think this version invalidates the current Bible?

According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, "God raised him unto Himself".

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And here..

originally posted by: shauny


Additionally, this ancient Bible declares that Jesus was not the Son of God, but only a prophet who spoke the word of God. The book also calls the Apostle Paul “The Impostor”

Islam blames to a large extent the Apostle Paul for distorting the true story of Jesus and the Gospel

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a reply to: ccseagull

I write a LOT about the unknown, stories MSM won't go near.
I have my own place (Signature below)
But write here AceNews Services

Often when researching most things scripture comes to me.
That I do find strange and can't deny. The last 5 years have seen very strange things.
Noises like Gabriel's Trumpet in the Sky and other prophecies from scripture. Very odd, but interesting..

Here is a video's so you know what I mean... Headlines will give you meaning.
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: dr1234

I said CLEARLY it was an old story I wrote about when it broke.
I threw it in here to get some debate and here we are...

I have no facts, nobody has facts in any of this debate.
Just speculation my friend

This is not new...
And is considered to be an Islamic interpretation in keeping with the Quran..

The Gospel of Barnabas is a book depicting the life of Jesus, and claims to be by the biblical Barnabas, who in this work is one of the twelve apostles. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th century and written respectively in Italian and in Spanish—although the Spanish manuscript is now lost, its text surviving only in a partial 18th-century transcript. Barnabas is about the same length as the four canonical gospels put together, with the bulk being devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, much of it harmonized from accounts also found in the canonical gospels. In some key respects, it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins and contradicts the New Testament teachings of Christianity.

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad) to be late and pseudepigraphical;[1] however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic,[2] Ebionite[3] or Diatessaronic[4]), redacted to bring it more in line with Islamic doctrine. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.

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And here...there were/are both Italian and Spanish versions..

This work clearly contradicts the New Testament biblical accounts of Jesus and his ministry but has strong parallels with the Islamic faith, not only mentioning Muhammad by name, but including the shahadah (chapter 39).

It is strongly anti-Pauline and anti-Trinitarian in tone.

In this work, Jesus is described as a prophet and not the son of God, while Paul is called "the deceived." Furthermore, the Gospel of Barnabas states that Jesus escaped crucifixion by being raised alive to heaven, while Judas Iscariot the traitor was crucified in his place. These beliefs—in particular, that Jesus is a prophet of God and raised alive without being crucified—conform to or resemble Islamic teachings which say that Jesus is a major prophet who did not die on the cross but was taken alive by angels to God.

Other passages, however, conflict with the teachings of the Qur'an—as, for instance, in the account of the Nativity, where Mary is said to have given birth to Jesus without pain[38] or as in Jesus's ministry, where he permits the drinking of wine and enjoins monogamy[39]—though the Qur'an acknowledges each prophet had a set of their own laws that might differ in some aspects from each other. Other examples include that hell will only be for the committers of the seven deadly sins (Barnabas: 4–44/135), anyone who refuses to be circumcised will not enter paradise (Barnabas 17/23), that God has a soul (Barnabas 6/82), that there are 9 heavens (Barnabas 3/105).

If the Gospel of Barnabas is seen as an attempted synthesis of elements from both Christianity and Islam, then 16th- and 17th-century parallels can be suggested in Morisco and anti-Trinitarian writings.

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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

There are a few things NASA themselves called into question with the Mars comment.
I believed Man went to the moon. I have seen the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment left by Apollo 11 and 15 with my own eyes.



I seen this through the telescope of the The Royal Observatory, Edinburgh



This is the height when in it, Edinburgh sits on 3 dormant volcanoes, The castle is one of them
Cracking view in the observatory, because it's so high light pollution is pretty clear



All NASA did was give the tin foil hat brigade something to debate. And in fairness it confused me

a reply to: DjembeJedi

I think having an open mind makes researching this topic fun, is for me anyway.
I respect the will of anyone. I have seen argument and debate here, interesting really.
Religion doesn't cause issues but people are arguing.. lol

I respect it, I just don't understand it..

a reply to: ViciLaw

a reply to: randyvs

I respect everyone buddy.
Who do I love? My partner and kids?

I love this song here

a reply to: toms54

Quick Google...
Some translation here..Forget the title, scroll down mate

1,5000 year old bible

originally posted by: Tangerine


Muslim fairytale, Christian fairytale. What's the difference?

More to the point, from a scholarly perspective (not religious) I see nothing new here...no revelation..

It is the never ending family feud between the sons of Abraham... Ishmael and Isaac.