Bill Would Allow Texas Teachers to Use Deadly Force Against Students

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Answer
Issues like this are exactly why the Constitution dictates that all matters not addressed by federal law are left up to the states to decide.

If you don't like what's being proposed, stay the hell out of Texas. How about you don't try to tell us how to run our state and we won't tell you how to run yours?

If I have a problem with a particular state's laws, I don't lose my mind over it... I just make a note to never live in that state.

Whatever happened to people minding their own business?

Maybe thats just it! Maybe we should get a federal law that covers this type of thing so that states don't have the power to decide it for themselves!!

I really hope that's sarcasm...

I'm really glad you picked up on it. I felt like I was laying it on pretty thick....

a reply to: Skid Mark

To be clear, I'm not blaming guns... they can't shoot themselves. I'm blaming the idiots who think that property theft or destruction is a capital crime with punishment delivered without charges and trial.

I had to go finish my high school in an adult school in a bad part of town, we had two police officers on duty during school hours, it made sure that the criminal aspect of some of the students was taken out of the school.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Well that's absolutely untrue. Don't let that get in the way though.

Ironically, that comment is not entirely accurate.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Shamrock6

You're good with use of deadly force to protect property?

Tell you what, if you can find some actual cases of people unjustifiably killed in Texas because of that particular part of the Texas penal code and the killer was not charged with a crime, I'll admit that you may have an argument.

Otherwise, you're simply bringing up hypothetical nonsense for the sake of sensationalism.

a reply to: neo96

I wasn't aware that all of Texas proposed this bill. Nor was I aware that everyone supporting this bill in this thread is from Texas. Not to mention my words and criticism have zero ability to lock any Texans away or take their life for being so goddamn stupid.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Answer
Issues like this are exactly why the Constitution dictates that all matters not addressed by federal law are left up to the states to decide.

If you don't like what's being proposed, stay the hell out of Texas. How about you don't try to tell us how to run our state and we won't tell you how to run yours?

If I have a problem with a particular state's laws, I don't lose my mind over it... I just make a note to never live in that state.

Whatever happened to people minding their own business?

Maybe thats just it! Maybe we should get a federal law that covers this type of thing so that states don't have the power to decide it for themselves!!

I really hope that's sarcasm...

I'm really glad you picked up on it. I felt like I was laying it on pretty thick....

With some of the other comments in this thread, I wasn't totally sure.

a reply to: neo96

I thought allowing everyone to be judge, jury and executioner is precisely how they want it in Texas?

If I am repeating anyone elses ideas, or general statement here, my apologies. I am late to the party.


If someone is going to attack you and or the ones you love/care for/are charged with their protection and general well being, IMHO, you respond in kind.


Notice I offered no caveats.

If a child picked up a gun against me with the obvious intent of killing me, and I had the means to protect myself and or the ones I mentioned above, I am going to respond with the appropriate force level necessary to end the conflict and prevent the loss of any life. If possible, I am going to try to not use that force to hurt or kill anyone. If necessary, I would most definitely use that force, should there be no other alternative.


If a child, man, woman, priest, clown, furry rabbit, rabbi, or ANYONE OR THING dares (yes, I said DARES) to attempt to take my life or the lives of people I care about or am charged to protect....


They're dead. Period.




It's just that sincere, serious, and adult of a scenario.

a reply to: Kali74

I'm didn't say that you were. I was just putting that in there. I think that society as a whole needs fixed. I think that humans have actually become detached from their humanity. It's been like that for a long time and there isn't a way to fix it that I know of. That's one for the sociologists to figure out, I guess.

originally posted by: nullafides

If a furry rabbit dares (yes, I said DARES) to attempt to take my life or the lives of people I care about or am charged to protect....

This scenario is EXACTLY why I keep a shotgun for self defense. Ruthless long-eared bastards.

a reply to: Kali74

I was speaking on what laws state, revolved around my experience can knowledge.

But.....if the law states that you can shoot someone for theft, then the obvious action is to not steal.

a reply to: Skid Mark

You just provided me an opportunity to make myself clear on something I hadn't yet in the thread.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

I wasn't aware that all of Texas proposed this bill. Nor was I aware that everyone supporting this bill in this thread is from Texas. Not to mention my words and criticism have zero ability to lock any Texans away or take their life for being so goddamn stupid.

Oh but all teachers in TEXAS according to a hit piece says all Texas teachers are going to go around killing people for no reason.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I already addressed this.

Sweet, Kali, thanks for giving me the heads up about the new video game, "Texas Teacher"!

I immediately bought it. Yeah, lots of action! And latest graphics! My favorite was taking down those thugs spray painting graffiti on the school building walls. Stop! I yelled. Then shot and killed 'em all, as they turned around to face me, laughing. Too bad they were from the rival school's Student Association writing "You Suck!" on our walls before the Big Game.

I also killed the kid with the fire cracker in his hand, about to toss it into the trashcan. He coulda freakin' blew it up!

Then I came across some terrorist lookin' kids who shouldna been on school property in the first place. I caught 'em just as they were about to steal the custodian's cart. The world's effin crazy, man, when terrorists steal a custodian cart to steal my freedom and liberty! Sweet, Jesus, this game is fun! I've never felt so powerful in all my frggin' life!!

Made my day!

I hope the next version is, "Texas Teacher Massacre", when post-apocalyptic Texas teachers take over the world...or at least east Texas.

...can someone tell me where this "Texas" is? Is it next to Saudi Arabia?

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Shamrock6

You're good with use of deadly force to protect property?

Tell you what, if you can find some actual cases of people unjustifiably killed in Texas because of that particular part of the Texas penal code, I'll admit that you may have an argument.

Otherwise, you're simply bringing up hypothetical nonsense for the sake of sensationalism.

I offered some examples earlier in the thread:

Here's one about Ezekiel Gilbert who was acquitted of murder in the shooting of a Craiglist escort who walked out the door with $150 after not having sex with him.

Here's one about a taco stand owner who shot and killed a man who ran off with his tip jar containing $20 in tips.

Another one in which a store clerk shot and killed a man for shoplifting a 12-pack of beer.

Then there's this case where an off-duty cop shot into the car of a woman who shoplifted from Wal-mart, killing her in front of her two children.

Finally, there's this one where another off-duty cop was actually convicted of manslaughter last year for shooting a 19 year-old kid in the back of the head as he attempted to flee into the woods with $50 of merchandise shoplifted from Wal-Mart.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Shamrock6

You're good with use of deadly force to protect property?

Depends on the property.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: neo96

I thought allowing everyone to be judge, jury and executioner is precisely how they want it in Texas?

Sure beats dialing 911, and just sit and wait to die.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Shamrock6

You're good with use of deadly force to protect property?

Tell you what, if you can find some actual cases of people unjustifiably killed in Texas because of that particular part of the Texas penal code, I'll admit that you may have an argument.

Otherwise, you're simply bringing up hypothetical nonsense for the sake of sensationalism.

I offered some examples earlier in the thread:

Here's one about Ezekiel Gilbert who was acquitted of murder in the shooting of a Craiglist escort who walked out the door with $150 after not having sex with him.

Here's one about a taco stand owner who shot and killed a man who ran off with his tip jar containing $20 in tips.

Another one in which a store clerk shot and killed a man for shoplifting a 12-pack of beer.

Then there's this case where an off-duty cop shot into the car of a woman who shoplifted from Wal-mart, killing her in front of her two children.

Finally, there's this one where another off-duty cop was actually convicted of manslaughter last year for shooting a 19 year-old kid in the back of the head as he attempted to flee into the woods with $50 of merchandise shoplifted from Wal-Mart.

I said "unjustifiably." Meaning, the person who was shot was not committing a crime.

For this to be an issue worth debating, the people who were shot must be innocent folk who were doing nothing wrong and were shot because of the false sense of justification instilled by the "defense of property" law.