Was there really an advanced race living before the ice age?

a reply to: Judgie

Op...humans have made references to this so that it could be passed down as a warning.

Tptb are the "outsiders".....aliens inter dimensional beings...whatever you want to call them.

They fear us.

From the bible..tower of babel story.

"Look at these "men" they are of one tongue and one purpose, there is nothing they seek to achieve they will not accomplish. Let us go amongst them and confound their language and culture to keep them divided."

Tptb have destroyed our civilization many times before.

It is about to happen again, because we are reaching a level of tech and social unity that allows us to be one people again.

They cannot allow this, because we are a true threat because "they" are inferior on many scales to us...just more advanced.

They have to keep us down or be replaced in the universal hegemony by us.

The problem is, they think by making us into stone aged culture again, over and over, they can stop our assent.

However we always come back better and faster than the time before.

The govs of the world found out about this cycle in the 50s.

Hence them working to keep us divided, so as not to put us on their radar, until such a time as we are ready to break out against them.

Hence our tech level not really advancing beyond 1950s tech.

Sure they made the car better but it is still just a car...we know better is possible, but it doesn't exist.

Once we reach a certain level of tech and unity....the end game comes again.

This is why there is so much evidence of advanced tech and building techniques from past ages.

The gov found evidence of this, and know what will happen if "they" see us advance past a certain point.

Until we, as in our civilization can come out the other side, we must appear to be primitive by their standards.

Just my thoughts

Yes I think in ancient times there were advanced civilizations, legends speak of them from every culture. I think they were tuning the earth and perhaps the matrix of evolution of all reality for the planet as well. Ancients could have just went to another planet if they had space and time travel capabilities as well as stargates. Maybe they will one day return or have never really left being able to travel through wormholes and time they live in the ever present.

A reply to: FormOfTheLord
Have you ever considered becoming a science fiction writer? It seems like it would suit you quite well...

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think there was an advanced civilization around before the ice age. One that didn't destroy the environment and build big weapons that could destroy the ability of the world to support life. Maybe the Amish are their descendents.

Well, if they built all the unneeded aircraft peppering the skies spewing pollutants and built the super weapons we do to try to take over the world, they wouldn't be considered advanced.

That is irrational thinking....look around you in the world, all life is at war all the time.

War...the strong and smart survive.

Why do you think all of the smartest animals on earth are predators?

Advanced..meaning peaceful.... This is idiocy, there is not now nor ever has been a single shred of proof for this idiotic ideology.

There are reems of data against it though, right in your body, your backyard... Over the entire planet in fact.

Any advanced aliens will be descendents of predators.

Thus warlike and violent as a whole.

Even the great man and thinker himself Carl Sagen reversed his views on this by the end.

Advancement does not equal peace.

The most advanced species on the planet are warlike, the most advanced cultures on the planet are warlike, the most advanced individuals in our society are warlike.( hence them screwing the common man over for money and power).

War isn't bad man....it leaves the weak behind and propels the strong forward.

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: Judgie

I have to say probably not measuring this by industrial and technological civilization.

I go along with the scientific, primary source based, archaeological evidence that Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. Before the ice age we may have got as far as agriculture, but there is absolutely NO evidence of anything other than the very basic stone age tools.

Simple batteries, yes, post ice age, but not flying ships and astronauts.

The pyramids cannot be built with modern tech even...explain how a bronze age civilization did this.

How about in south america where they custom cut diarite(did I spell that right?) That bronze aged cultures could not have done period, and add in the fact they were built with Lego like precision, so they could be stacked together.

It would cost trillions today with modern tech to make cuts this precise.

There is no mainstream explanation, because it defies explanation of modern day science for a "bronze aged civilization".

They were obviously much more advanced than we give them credit for.

There is no other rational explanation.

Thank you, though you disagreed with me you had the courage to challenge my idea. despire my confidence.

I myself have no formal training in anthropology, civil engineering however I do.
I started out by looking at the earthquake engineering of ancient structures, especially those of Peru.
What I began to notice however was that the exact same technology existed worldwide especially in regions we would consider seismically unstable. This was where my education on the subject began,
After that I wasn't sure what to make of it, why do these cultures seperated by time and geography share the exact same technologies, which is no trivial matter, these a megalithic hard rocks tooled perfectly and fitted together with absolute precision and on occasion using a little t shape clasp to hold blocks together.
So then i started compiling a list of similarities of these ancient sites, myths and cultures, engineering and other phenomena and well there is too much there.

1. Megalithic construction and precision tooling of stones
2. Astronomical alignment right down to the minute detail.
3. Understanding of planets outside of the naked eye (without a telescope?)
4. Advanced plumbing and irrigation systems found in 'some' sites
5. More advanced stone work below later more inferior stone work.
6. Understanding of maths before we attribute it to them and in regions where it appears to spontaneously develop in isolation
7. Trepanning
8. Skull elongation
9. well developed ancient sites or cities, which appear to be purpose built without any evidence of developing to this level. They just appear in full splendor.
10. Mythologies in every culture of a flood.
11. The appearance of indeed a world wide archaeological cover up.
12. Similarities in ancient mythology of creation, technologies and giants of cultures again in isolation
13. Oddities in languages written that cannot be explained, like Rongorongo script and Indus valley script being very similar though it defies completely our current model
14. The most obvious is the architectural similarities, stone circles are common around the globe as are pyramids. Compare the pyramids of Bali to those in Mexico and see even how the designs are similar at completely different time periods seperated by the vastness of the Pacific.
15. Our inability to date stone work.
16. The oddity of statues showing races of people that shouldnt be there or skeletal remains of giants or white fair skinned people etc.
17. Mummification
18. The most impressive evidence, the ability to shape stone in ways we do not even have theorietical models of being able to do. Monolithic boxes, perfect three planar corners, drill holes you can see rifling in. But again, in pre-historic times.

And these oddities just get systematically ignored by science, why? It wont take you long to figure out why. There are probably more but look at that there are so many similarities in the engineering and found around these engineered sites how could all these things develop independently from each other? its because they didn't. There was a common ancestor who built these sites, all around the globe. The differences appear after thousands of years of chinese whispers so to say as we started again as hunter and gatherers. We reclaimed these sites after finding them and then kings enscribed them with graffiti which our scientists dated to a later time frame. Any organics that contradict the model are lost or labeled as hoaxes. Again far too oftento just be mare co-incidence. I mean yeah my theory makes sense its not that different from Graham Hancocks. So what would I need to do, find something? Find something else that just shouldnt be... then make it public :-)

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
A reply to: FormOfTheLord

Have you ever considered becoming a science fiction writer? It seems like it would suit you quite well...

Nope but I have considered discussing the OP of this thread, have you?

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: Judgie

I have to say probably not measuring this by industrial and technological civilization.

I go along with the scientific, primary source based, archaeological evidence that Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. Before the ice age we may have got as far as agriculture, but there is absolutely NO evidence of anything other than the very basic stone age tools.

Simple batteries, yes, post ice age, but not flying ships and astronauts.

The pyramids cannot be built with modern tech even...explain how a bronze age civilization did this.

How about in south america where they custom cut diarite(did I spell that right?) That bronze aged cultures could not have done period, and add in the fact they were built with Lego like precision, so they could be stacked together.

It would cost trillions today with modern tech to make cuts this precise.

There is no mainstream explanation, because it defies explanation of modern day science for a "bronze aged civilization".

They were obviously much more advanced than we give them credit for.

There is no other rational explanation.

Everything you said here is complete and utter bull####, and as someone who has spent a considerable amount of time working stones such as granite by hand, as you have clearly never done, I take great offense at you spreading such nonsense.

Which sites in South America are you referring to, in which diorite was used? I'd like references, please, as every site I'm aware of is constructed of andesite and/or red sandstone, both of which can easily be worked with copper tools, and even with other stones. In fact, I have worked both types of stone with copper tools before. It's time consuming, as is any stone work, but to say it's impossible is remarkably ignorant. You can take a copper penny, and easily scratch or flake away at either mineral with a little bit of pressure.

If it would cost " trillions" today to make cuts of the same precision, then I was remarkably underpaid for the years that I spent doing just that.

I'm not even going to continue, as it's just making me angry. Before you go around spreading your nonsense and lies elsewhere, try picking up a book, or better yet, a rock, and start working it, and maybe someday you won't be as woefully ignorant as you are currently.

Some of our ancestors were incredibly talented craftsman, but that is all. There is nothing that could not be replicated today using the same methods, if anyone desired to invest the time, money, and manpower to do so. To say that they were incapable of doing these things is unbelievably arrogant and ignorant, and does a great disservice to our ancestors. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for slandering such fine craftsmen....

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Look for yourself, we are not writing a book for you. This subject has to be addressed with great length I have spent years now researching this. You can choose not to see what is plainly visible but ignorance is not the answer any more.
Aristotle once said "it is the mark of an educated man to contemplate and idea without accepting it" consider this please and i think in time it will become to hard to ignore ;-)

originally posted by: Judgie
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance



Look for yourself, we are not writing a book for you. This subject has to be addressed with great length I have spent years now researching this. You can choose not to see what is plainly visible but ignorance is not the answer any more.

Aristotle once said "it is the mark of an educated man to contemplate and idea without accepting it" consider this please and i think in time it will become to hard to ignore ;-)

There is an old phrase dont cast pearls to swine, meaning your words are lost on some. There is another saying dont feed the troll, meaning some have no agenda but to further dumb down and thread drift with thier nothing to see attitude.



Of couse there is a history to ancient advanced civilizations, and threads like these discuss that very issue of ancient technologies. The important thing is to stay on topic with the thread OP and notice a thread drift when it happens, you can always just ignore closed minded folk.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Thanks I'll take on board those words.
You pretty educated in this topic too huh? I cannot watch videos my laptops drivers have gone to the dogs at the moment but ill watch some of those another day.
I have chosen to specialize my research on Oceania now, the last region settled by man according to the experts... there are an aweful lot of OOPARTs in this region and very little research on it either. Purposely ignoring it haha.

OP.. May I suggest you watch some of Michael Tsarions presentations,He imo is one of the lead researchers into Atlantis,which He describes as a citadel on the continent of Appalacia,which resided in the Atlantic Ocean and the Azores islands are the remnants of what was the high ground on Appalacia.

I was always of the opinion that Atlantis was 'the' continent,but His thorough knowledge states otherwise.

These Atlanteans are who went on to found the global civilization after the flood and this is where Sumer etc sprung from afterwards and it is this sinister branch of the Atlanteans (elites/royals etc) that control the world today.

Cool thread! S n F

originally posted by: infinityorder
a reply to: Judgie

Op...humans have made references to this so that it could be passed down as a warning.

Tptb are the "outsiders".....aliens inter dimensional beings...whatever you want to call them.

They fear us.

From the bible..tower of babel story.

"Look at these "men" they are of one tongue and one purpose, there is nothing they seek to achieve they will not accomplish. Let us go amongst them and confound their language and culture to keep them divided."

Tptb have destroyed our civilization many times before.

It is about to happen again, because we are reaching a level of tech and social unity that allows us to be one people again.

They cannot allow this, because we are a true threat because "they" are inferior on many scales to us...just more advanced.

They have to keep us down or be replaced in the universal hegemony by us.

The problem is, they think by making us into stone aged culture again, over and over, they can stop our assent.

However we always come back better and faster than the time before.

The govs of the world found out about this cycle in the 50s.

Hence them working to keep us divided, so as not to put us on their radar, until such a time as we are ready to break out against them.

Hence our tech level not really advancing beyond 1950s tech.

Sure they made the car better but it is still just a car...we know better is possible, but it doesn't exist.

Once we reach a certain level of tech and unity....the end game comes again.

This is why there is so much evidence of advanced tech and building techniques from past ages.

The gov found evidence of this, and know what will happen if "they" see us advance past a certain point.

Until we, as in our civilization can come out the other side, we must appear to be primitive by their standards.

Just my thoughts

Nice thoughts you explained that well

Very interesting perspective, i will indeed, I can no longer deny a deluge but it is very interesting that the myths of recreation seem to be so similar and mystical also. This was something I couldn't really explain. I will have to look into this for sure.

You have one more vote from me for ancient civilization which had some kind of travel capabilities because it was spread on earth. If you only take a look about all kinds of different pyramids around the globe.Then inspect about the laylines you can see some connection. At least for me it's there. It's not certain evidence but it makes sense for me.

For more info about the ancients I would like to suggest watching those videos on youtube:
www.youtube.com...

She has a lot of material on different matters spiritual and archeological so please take a peek and check it out. I get the feeling that she is honest and truthful in her videos. And she is very knowledgeable at least from my POW. But it is true that I do not possess any knowledge for evaluating her statements.

But in my opinion, which i created from watching and reading about this stuff is that there was surely something before us which was global. Maybe even ancient aliens or humans or hybrids

The only question for me is how were they advanced and in what way were they better than us. Technologically? I don't think so. Because I get the feeling that spirituality was very important to them and they would maybe have certain knowledge that we have forgotten.
I think they maybe knew more about sound, vibrations, magnetism but not about technology in a way like we do. They were more focused on nature and spirit. And because of advance knowledge in these areas they had access to different approaches for everything.

There are a lot of different bread crumbs around the world to suggest this. For instance:
www.khanacademy.org...

originally posted by: Judgie
Thank you, though you disagreed with me you had the courage to challenge my idea. despire my confidence.

I myself have no formal training in anthropology, civil engineering however I do.
I started out by looking at the earthquake engineering of ancient structures, especially those of Peru.
What I began to notice however was that the exact same technology existed worldwide especially in regions we would consider seismically unstable. This was where my education on the subject began,
After that I wasn't sure what to make of it, why do these cultures seperated by time and geography share the exact same technologies, which is no trivial matter, these a megalithic hard rocks tooled perfectly and fitted together with absolute precision and on occasion using a little t shape clasp to hold blocks together.
So then i started compiling a list of similarities of these ancient sites, myths and cultures, engineering and other phenomena and well there is too much there.

1. Megalithic construction and precision tooling of stones
2. Astronomical alignment right down to the minute detail.
3. Understanding of planets outside of the naked eye (without a telescope?)
4. Advanced plumbing and irrigation systems found in 'some' sites
5. More advanced stone work below later more inferior stone work.
6. Understanding of maths before we attribute it to them and in regions where it appears to spontaneously develop in isolation
7. Trepanning
8. Skull elongation
9. well developed ancient sites or cities, which appear to be purpose built without any evidence of developing to this level. They just appear in full splendor.
10. Mythologies in every culture of a flood.
11. The appearance of indeed a world wide archaeological cover up.
12. Similarities in ancient mythology of creation, technologies and giants of cultures again in isolation
13. Oddities in languages written that cannot be explained, like Rongorongo script and Indus valley script being very similar though it defies completely our current model
14. The most obvious is the architectural similarities, stone circles are common around the globe as are pyramids. Compare the pyramids of Bali to those in Mexico and see even how the designs are similar at completely different time periods seperated by the vastness of the Pacific.
15. Our inability to date stone work.
16. The oddity of statues showing races of people that shouldnt be there or skeletal remains of giants or white fair skinned people etc.
17. Mummification
18. The most impressive evidence, the ability to shape stone in ways we do not even have theorietical models of being able to do. Monolithic boxes, perfect three planar corners, drill holes you can see rifling in. But again, in pre-historic times.

And these oddities just get systematically ignored by science, why? It wont take you long to figure out why. There are probably more but look at that there are so many similarities in the engineering and found around these engineered sites how could all these things develop independently from each other? its because they didn't. There was a common ancestor who built these sites, all around the globe. The differences appear after thousands of years of chinese whispers so to say as we started again as hunter and gatherers. We reclaimed these sites after finding them and then kings enscribed them with graffiti which our scientists dated to a later time frame. Any organics that contradict the model are lost or labeled as hoaxes. Again far too oftento just be mare co-incidence. I mean yeah my theory makes sense its not that different from Graham Hancocks. So what would I need to do, find something? Find something else that just shouldnt be... then make it public :-)

Exactly!!!!

There is far more scientific evidence for than against hitech ancient cultures.


The msm tptb want to discredit this......why?

Because as soon as this becomes common knowledge, people will start trying to emulate the ancient technologies. Such as Ed Leedskalnin did to build coral castle. His model of electricity and magnetism is far different from those taught at schools but there are simple experiments that can be done at home which simply cannot be explained by our modern electrical theory for instance.
Very soon after this knowledge becomes public, free energy will be re-discovered, anti gravity too. This will very soon turn into a free energy, fuel free world. Transportation will be faster and free and it won't break down etc because it will operate in a much simpler way, oddly just like UFO technology appears to. Though I am no expert on UFO theories.
This technology, topples the worlds monopolies. They can't cover up free energy if everyone has it and knows how to use it etc.
The powers that be lose their strangle hold on society and they do not want this. They have known this for a very long time and thus have stared us away from this purposely to their own profit.

Guys don't focus on these things! Do you have any idea how much disinfo the NWO sends to us?! Aliens could be in the universe, the elite could be aliens, aliens could be in the Earth etc etc. Focus on what is important, defeating them now. Raise your consciousness, train yourself for war and spread the word!

I give up. It's one thing to speculate about fantastical what-if scenarios, but to believe them and to spread them as truth, despite having no supporting evidence and having been shown repeatedly why the entire premise is false, is about as dumb as it gets. Have fun in la-la land....

Why should we care if aliens are in the universe? They have always been there lol they're not causing all the wars and famine. They are not enslaving our race, we are simply doing it to ourselves.