17 yo girl killed by police--Now threats by Anonymous?

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

why didn't the officer cuff her? He had her arms behind her back. When she lunges forward she does so with her hands behind her back.. that's unnatural and nonthreatening.

i am really struggling with this too....he had control of her if she was not cuffed ....why ?...why would he subdue her and then let her go...especially considering at this point he believes she has a gun......just doesnt add up

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I am not completely convinced she wasn't cuffed, at least partially, maybe to her own belt buckle for all i know, maybe one was loose, maybe she was completely cuffed and got up by swinging both arms to one side. I just don't know, but this officer effed up.

She was effectively under control and arrested. He knew she was dangerous/mental. Why did he get off. Why didn't the back up wrestle her down?

It makes no sense.

He knew she had no gun, he could've searched her when he had her down, and he definitely wouldn't let her arms free and get off if he thought she had a gun.

Officially the weirdest one i've ever seen. The cop made the mistakes. The other cops stood by like civilians until it was time to kill her and then at least one joined in.

I am also sick of cops shooting people and then cuffing and searching them rather than calling ambulances. Look at the case where the cop STRAIGHT UP MURDERED the 16 year old girl in Denver with a car full of friends.
He deserves murder charges. That one was out of hand. He pulls their lifeless bleeding bodies from the car and cuffs and searches them. No call for medics.

This is the first time i have seen a cop tackle a person to the ground and not handcuff them. Are police no longer trained on how to disarm a person with a knife. If you can't disarm a 100lbs skinny woman without using deadly force, you need to find a new line of work.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Look at the case where the cop STRAIGHT UP MURDERED the 16 year old girl in Denver with a car full of friends.

You mean the girl who used a stolen car as a weapon and injured the officer?

a reply to: thesaneone

El WRONGO. Car wasn allegedly stolen - cops were there because of a suspicious car (it wasn't suspicious), some reports say it was a family members car. Even if it were stolen.. when I was young kids used to joy ride - they didn't get murdered for it.
Second the cop wasn't really injured. Lie two. He was upset at the girls for filming him and pulled his gun. He was beside the car when he shot (not in danger). If he were in front of the car.. then he's even dumber than I thought because killing the driver would assure he was hit.

Yeah sorry you apologist. Everyone including the neighbors who were threatened for filming knew this was a made up story for a cop that got mad and killed girls. It was a family members car. He shot into their open window. He murdered a 16 year old girl and shot another.

THEN the motherf***er dragged their limp and lifeless bodies out of the car, and cuffed and searched them never calling for medical.

You are lying and misleading and just disgusting. You are going to support a coward that murdered a teen girl.

The cop went to the hospital because HE HAD TO to back up his lie. The injury to his leg amounted to nothing. Most likely from jerking the girls out of the car or scrambling. Not from the car which didn't move. He shout them out of FEAR they would hit him. Not because he really did.
EVERYONE KNOWS HIS STORY IS A LIE.

Do a little research instead of listening to just the cops side.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: thesaneone

El WRONGO. Car wasn't stolen. That was lie number one.
Second the cop wasn't really injured. Lie two. He was upset at the girls for filming him and pulled his gun. He was beside the car when he shot (not in danger). If he were in front of the car.. then he's even dumber than I thought because killing the driver would assure he was hit.

Yeah sorry you apologist. Everyone including the neighbors who were threatened for filming knew this was a made up story for a cop that got mad and killed girls. It was a family members car. He shot into their open window. He murdered a 16 year old girl and shot another.

THEN the motherf***er dragged their limp and lifeless bodies out of the car, and cuffed and searched them never calling for medical.

You are lying and misleading and just disgusting. You are going to support a coward that murdered a teen girl.

The cop went to the hospital because HE HAD TO to back up his lie. The injury to his leg amounted to nothing. Most likely from jerking the girls out of the car or scrambling. Not from the car which didn't move. He shout them out of FEAR they would hit him. Not because he really did.
EVERYONE KNOWS HIS STORY IS A LIE.

Do a little research instead of listening to just the cops side.

worth re-posting

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Look at the case where the cop STRAIGHT UP MURDERED the 16 year old girl in Denver with a car full of friends.

You mean the girl who used a stolen car as a weapon and injured the officer?

Oh and why you are not knowing what you are talking about and being a mouthpiece for the police union. This was the third police shooting in denver where they claimed the person was trying to hit them with a car. It's there go to for "uh oh.. what can we say." That's why they wouldnt allow filming.

These teens were dropping off friends from a slumber party. I will say if you stick a gun in a young girls window.. she might be horrified into trying to drive away, but she wasn't trying to kill or hurt a cop. Get real.

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

I edited my post. THere is confusion about the cars status. Cops say it's stolen. Some say it was a family members car taken without permission. Either way 16 year olds joy riding don't deserve to be murdered by police. I find it hard to believe these girls stole a random car so they could drop each other off from a sleep over.

The same stories that say the car were stolen also say they didn't know if anyone else was injured. I can tell you another was. Another girl was shot in the stomach and leg. Despite that she was dragged out cuffed bleeding from the gut, and searched. No ambulance called yet.

This was an execution by more dirty pigs.

True cowards.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Whatever slick, you believe the stories and I will listen to the facts.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow


Do you have a link about the other girl who you say was shot?

Why you are at it can you also show me in this thread where I was standing up for the police? Didn't think so.

a reply to: thesaneone

Yes I can, I don't just say she was shot, she WAS shot. Then taken to the ground searched and cuffed without med attention.

Denver police shot and killed a female suspect after they claimed the car load of teenagers was going to hit officers with the vehicle. One of the girls was shot in the leg. Another, Jessica Hernandez, 16, wasn’t so lucky.

Link

Your words are standing up for the police. You certainly aren't standing up for the 16 year old girls shot and murdered.

There is a clusterF of info. Car was there's, car was stolen, car was a family members, car was stolen from a man, car was mistaken from one stolen from a man.

Nothing, AT ALL, justifies the girls deaths. These cops created a reason to shoot these girls who were unarmed. They unloaded two guns on a car of 16 year olds in front of ones house. They were threatened for filming.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

This says the other passengers were not injured by gun shots.

abcnews.go.com...


I will wait for more facts to come out before jumping to conclusions and insulting members unlike yourself.

There is something wrong with policing in America. If that had happened here in the UK then the young woman would still be alive. There are You Tube videos showing UK cops dealing with knife wielders that are far more dangerous than this girl. Even the two terrorists with machetes that had just beheaded a young soldier are still alive.

If that was my daughter, I would finalise my affairs and plan the most effective means of retaliation.

a reply to: network dude

No, I think you are being lazy in playing the "racist" card and comparing this situation. This is entirely different, I am sure you know this. Not to mention being a cop is a choice people make in life. Nobody chooses their race.

The fact is that this stuff happens repeatedly and consistently, and not just in the US. Corruption and abuse by and within the police is endemic. It is almost always covered up, and when it does get exposed, it is almost always whitewashed by the various boards of enquiries and courts. The police are above the law, they know it, and the fact that those who claim to be "good cops" do nothing about it proves they are in it together. Those few who do speak out and attempt to clear up do not stay cops for long.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I'm just curious about something. Your position is that she was handcuffed, or partially handcuffed, or possible handcuffed to her belt loop or something.

Cuffed to a belt loop - so you're proposing that the officer couldn't get her handcuffed fully for some reason, but instead of trying to get a cuff on the other wrist, he somehow managed to get the cuff secured around a tiny belt loop, with a tiny hole to thread the cuff through? really?

handcuffed/partially handcuffed - you posit that she used her elbow and wrist to push herself up. how is she both pushing herself up with an elbow, while pushing her hat back up off her face with the other hand, and then raising the knife with the same hand that was supposed to be handcuffed, while the left is now the one that's handcuffed? how you can claim to have watched the video multiple times and yet still somehow can't see that she uses both hands at the same time, and both hands are in front of her body at least once after she gets up, is beyond me. what is the officer doing when he's standing over her, and you can clearly see him pulling her hand behind her back and cuffing it? handcuffing her a second time?

as for the knife: you can see the officer pick up the knife and move it away from her. or are you suggesting that in addition to cops all carrying burners, they now carry giant butcher's knives with them to plant, too? or maybe they have knives taped under chairs in the station lobby just in case they ever have to shoot somebody in there?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'll have to take your word for it on your military service, but the way that you talk, it doesn't seem like you have the proper training. I can only go on the information that I have available: Your comments.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The military (and I know, I was in it) doesn't properly train in the most effective fighting systems for street fights, nor does its training thoroughly address hand-to-hand combat for non-military purposes. There is a dramatic difference in training to fight against other soldiers than in training to fight against civilians who are generally untrained people with dangerous weapons.

If your average thug walked up to me and put a gun to my head, I am trained to disarm him and take control of the firearm--honestly, it's not that hard, and you only have to worry about where that little hole at the tip is pointing. You control that, you're not getting injured by the firearm.

A knife is a different story--I have been trained in knife defenses as well, and I'll tell you what, if you don't understand the "why" behind knives being more dangerous than guns, explaining it to you via the internet is a pointless endeavor.

As for your scenario about a kid with a knife, it's irrelevant to this story, as this was a 17-year-old girl who had already displayed a complete disregard for the authority of the officer, had already committed felonious assault against the officer, and then ran at him with, from what the video shows, a knife in a reverse grip raised in a stabbing motion at the officer. If that were me, yes, I would have shot her as well--again, assuming the scenario that I just described is as it happened.

Other than that, you can keep your little what-if-they-had-these-physical-attribute scenarios to yourself, because they are a pointless discussion.

a reply to: Firefly_

You may want to try re-reading that post. The point wasn't about race, but about generalizing an entire group based on the actions of a few. Example, all posters on ATS are male. Clearly that isn't correct, but the last few I talked to were.

All cars are blue. Clearly they are not, but the last one I saw was. All cops are bad. Clearly, they are not, but some are.

If that isn't clear enough, I can come up with more examples to help you understand.

a reply to: midicon

If that were your daughter, you should be more concerned as to why you did not give her the proper mental-health care that she so obviously needed. You should be more concerned with what in her life had brought her to the point of two attempted suicides (from what I've read...that could be inaccurate) and then this scenario where she walks into a police station and assaults a police officer multiple times until she is shot dead.

If that were your daughter, I'd be concerned about her actions and yours as her parent. And if you really would "finalise [your] affairs and plan the most effective means of retaliation," then I'd fully understand where her mental instability originated.

originally posted by: midicon
There is something wrong with policing in America. If that had happened here in the UK then the young woman would still be alive. There are You Tube videos showing UK cops dealing with knife wielders that are far more dangerous than this girl. Even the two terrorists with machetes that had just beheaded a young soldier are still alive.

If that was my daughter, I would finalise my affairs and plan the most effective means of retaliation.

What if this girl (who wanted to kill herself based on the information provided) jumped off a bridge and fell onto a car, killing her. Would you seek retribution to the person who was driving the car as well?

Honestly, it's terribly sad that this happened and I doubt very seriously that the officers involved enjoyed what happened. This site, this community, is based on discussion of topics and the general theme is to rise above the idiocy displayed in the general public and MSM. (deny ignorance and all) In that light, I would hope that any and all posters would try to look at events as individual events as they certainly are. Just because you have a deep hatred for the police, doesn't mean that every event is the cops fault. Members of this site usually rise to the occasion. Some don't, but most do.