POLL - Should the UK monarchy now be abolished ? Y/N - all ATS members please contribute

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes.

PS I would like them to be returned to Germany with the exact amount of assets they arrived in the UK with.

Ignoring the fact they were born in the UK and are citizens of this country...

This kind of thinking is dangerous and simplistic in the extreme, the kind of thing I expect from BNP, EDL and UKIP supports, the people who like to class people as "other" and threaten to make them irrelevant to the nation they were born in simply because they are considered different to the "white, Christian citizen".

Hmm, sound familiar? And how sickening that these opinions are still being preached on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

YES
ABOLISHED

Should have made it bold format so there is no mistake which way I am voting lol

Yes, it should be abolished. You want to know why? a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: cfnyaami
Yes, it should be abolished. You want to know why? a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Feel free to add your comments.



As of this post the count is approx 62% in favour!!

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: uncommitted

What you say in your post is something that also surprised me. I'm not sure why onlt 60% want to abolish and why, when the topic is raised, there are heated debates in favour of the scum.

Off topic - the same thing happens when I write threads about the racist party for the dumbed down UKIP - there's so much support for them on here I wonder what's happened to this place.

Because not everyone shares your viewpoints perhaps? I don't about the monarchy and the fact you use terms like 'scum' tends to show more about you than you think it does.

Strange how many of those who use the false accusation that the monarchy are somehow 'German' as a reason for their abolition are of a slightly 'leftist' leaning.

I wonder how they would react if people levelled the same accusation to those of an Asian or African origin to justify the repatriation of thousands, if not millions, of UK citizens?

The UK has far more pressing concerns.

NO... It feels the Monarchy is the only British thing we have left at times.

No. I like the monarchy due to the government function provided.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
As a follow-up to the last thread link below (thanks to those who contributed with their comments/thoughts - most of which I concur with)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please briefly comment on whether the UK monarchy should now be abolished and vote only either Yes or No?

Be interesting to see what the % split is.

I for one vote YES!


Added after 10 posts: Interesting to note that so far after only 10 posts
the vote is 40% in favour of abolishment!
Be interesting to see if this continues and what the
final vote will be!

After 64 posts (not all contributors cast a vote) its running at approx. 45% in favour!
Im surprised its not more!

Lets see if it ends up 50/50.

Firstly I find it highly offensive that people who are not even Native English people are posting yes here!

Secondly Her Majesty is the Queen! We have zero say in whether she exists or not.

Sure have your freedom to speak, but realize that your ability to affect the issue is non existent!

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Aww, cupcake. You find it highly offensive that people other than those you deem worthy have an opinion on something? How unbelievably arrogant. What about me? As a Canadian, the old biddy is on my money, same as yours.

originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Aww, cupcake. You find it highly offensive that people other than those you deem worthy have an opinion on something? How unbelievably arrogant. What about me? As a Canadian, the old biddy is on my money, same as yours.

You are Canadian and you feel that you have the right to have a say on whether England has a monarchy?

Perhaps then English people should be included in the Canadian elections and have a say in whether Stephen Harper is PM in Canada then?

Who the hell do you people think you are? You're welcome to your opinion... but it is worth absolutely nothing as you do not have the RIGHT to vote on it!

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

I think the monarchy is an issue in the UK for the devolved nations, not just England (i.e. includes Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland).

Then there is the monarch's role in myriad nations as the Head of State, or Queen, such as New Zealand, Canada and Papua New Guinea to name but three (of many).

Then there's the British Overseas Territories and Crown dependencies where the Queen is the monarch and has a role.

So, while I agree that people from some countries should not participate in such votes, even though they hold opinions, I don't think a vote on the existence of the UK monarch should just be confined to the English.

Quite a lot of people have a vested interest in the existence (or not) of the UK monarchy. If the monarch was abolished there would be a global impact.

Regards

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Korg Trinity

I think the monarchy is an issue in the UK for the devolved nations, not just England (i.e. includes Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland).

Then there is the monarch's role in myriad nations as the Head of State, or Queen, such as New Zealand, Canada and Papua New Guinea to name but three (of many).

Then there's the British Overseas Territories and Crown dependencies where the Queen is the monarch and has a role.

So, while I agree that people from some countries should not participate in such votes, even though they hold opinions, I don't think a vote on the existence of the UK monarch should just be confined to the English.

Quite a lot of people have a vested interest in the existence (or not) of the UK monarchy. If the monarch was abolished there would be a global impact.

Regards

Quite!

Absolutely Her Majesty is head of state for the UK and for other nations, she is still however primarily 'Her Royal Highness the Queen of England'.

The reason Her Majesty has anything to do with any other nations is due to the Commonwealth, which was formed during the British Empire. As the countries that form the Commonwealth are now independent nations, there is no direct link to the monarchy other than the fact that the Royal Family owns the land of these nations by right.

As I already mentioned even the British people as commoners do not have the right to vote on the Monarchy... it is not a democracy! So this is why it is totally offensive to say that any other citizen of any other nation should have a vote on it!

By your same logic, should we state then that other nations as well as America should have the right to vote in US Elections?

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

You're aware that this is neither a scientific poll or any sort of binding vote, right? I think that you should get a grip. The queen is the head of state in Canada, I wonder why you find it so offensive that I should have an opinion on it. How miserable you must be, to choose to be 'highly offended' over people expressing their opinions. I wonder what else offends you.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Again, I can't quite get past the fact that you seem to think that this thread, a measure of the sentiment on an internet forum, is equivalent to an actual national election. Its both infuriating and hilarious that someody could be so thick.

originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: Korg Trinity

You're aware that this is neither a scientific poll or any sort of binding vote, right? I think that you should get a grip. The queen is the head of state in Canada, I wonder why you find it so offensive that I should have an opinion on it. How miserable you must be, to choose to be 'highly offended' over people expressing their opinions. I wonder what else offends you.

Your ignorance of why your comments would make an English person angry is the reason why!

Korg.

a reply to: uncommitted
I understand not everyone shares my viewpoint. I am comparing the sample of ATS members and their common ideals.

As a generalisation of the sample of members here on ATS I would say it is not out of the question to assume more than 60% of members would be against the monarchy.

As 'uncommitted' said, which you must have missed:

On a conspiracy site where the majority typically would regard anything seen as 'mainstream' or 'part of the establishment' with mistrust, I think it's quite telling that actually 60% is quite low, especially since it includes so many who have only the vaguest concept of what modern monarchy actually is.

I use terms like scum because, this may seem obvious, I believe they are scum. Check my post history, I've close links with the Royal family and my views are not hidden.

What I would like to ask, and I would put this to you as a task, using only my use of the word 'scum' - can you summarise what this reveals about me which I do not realise is being revealed? You can U2U me your answer as it would derail this thread even more than I have already.

Call the internet police, I've made a post which refers to the idea we have common ideals AND I generalised within the post!

EDIT: I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life replying to you.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Absolutely she is head of state for the UK and for other nations, she is still however primarily Her Royal Highness the Queen of England.

No she most definitely is not....in the UK her correct title is Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

England doesn't even get a mention on it's own.

Personally I've only ever known American's call her The Queen of England.

The reason Her Majesty has anything to do with any other nations is due to the Commonwealth, which was formed during the British Empire. As the countries that form the Commonwealth are now independent nations, there is no direct link to the monarchy other than the fact that the Royal Family owns the land of these nations by right.

No she does not.
Exactly WHAT right is it you speak of that says she OWNS these lands?

Absolute nonsense.

As I already mentioned even the British people as commoners do not have the right to vote on the Monarchy... it is not a democracy! So this is why it is totally offensive to say that any other citizen of any other nation should have a vote on it!

Calm down - its not legally binding!
Its just an opinion poll of the membership of a relatively obscure online community website, of course people are entitled to 'vote' regardless of how irrelevant that 'vote' may be.

By your same logic, should we state then that other nations as well as America should have the right to vote in US Elections?

It probably wouldn't do any harm.....it would probably stop all those Bush's getting elected.....but that's not the issue here.
And no-one is advocating anything of the sort.

Korg.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Absolutely she is head of state for the UK and for other nations, she is still however primarily Her Royal Highness the Queen of England.

No she most definitely is not....in the UK her correct title is Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

England doesn't even get a mention on it's own.

Personally I've only ever known American's call her The Queen of England.

The reason Her Majesty has anything to do with any other nations is due to the Commonwealth, which was formed during the British Empire. As the countries that form the Commonwealth are now independent nations, there is no direct link to the monarchy other than the fact that the Royal Family owns the land of these nations by right.

No she does not.
Exactly WHAT right is it you speak of that says she OWNS these lands?

Absolute nonsense.

As I already mentioned even the British people as commoners do not have the right to vote on the Monarchy... it is not a democracy! So this is why it is totally offensive to say that any other citizen of any other nation should have a vote on it!

Calm down - its not legally binding!
Its just an opinion poll of the membership of a relatively obscure online community website, of course people are entitled to 'vote' regardless of how irrelevant that 'vote' may be.

By your same logic, should we state then that other nations as well as America should have the right to vote in US Elections?

It probably wouldn't do any harm.....it would probably stop all those Bush's getting elected.....but that's not the issue here.
And no-one is advocating anything of the sort.

Korg.

Let me ask you these questions...

1. Where was the Queen born?

2. Where was she coronated?

3. Who were the Queens parents?

4. What house does the queen belong to? and where is that?

5. Where are the Queens palaces?

6. Was the British Monarch the head of state of any other nation before the British Empire and the Commonwealth?

#1 Queen Elizabeth II
Land: 6.6 billion acres of land worldwide including Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia and a few other spots here and there. Also, the all-important Falkland Islands.

With her 6.6 billion acres, Elizabeth II is far and away the world's largest landowner, with the closest runner-up (King Abdullah) holding control over a mere 547 million, or about 12% of the lands owned by Her Majesty, The Queen.

source: - The Worlds 15 Biggest Land Owners

Korg.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes