Seven Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America

Haven't seen and not going to waste my time on it, it doesn't interest me.
I wanted to mention I flicked on accidentally SNIPER STORIES, History Channel (that channel really needs a name change) and I saw re enactments of people getting killed, down to angles of trajectory needed to sever the brain from the body, best kill shots etc.

I felt horrified watching it, and saddened it was made into entertainment. Made me think F U History Channel.
This is madness.
The glorification of the trials and powerful trauma surrounding war into Sniper Stories as entertainment is a new low.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer


Great post mate.

It is pure propaganda and the morons are eating it up.

It always amazes me that the left picks the grunt to vilify and call him a coward. The OP is this generations radical screamers of the term Baby killer. These same people on the other hand worship at the feet of Obama yet never call him on the real cowardice he displays or call him a baby killer. Obama sits in the White House with his proverbial sniper rifle in the way of a fleet of deadly drones while Kyle was in harms way, on the battle field when he did his duty.

The anti-Americanism of this thread is unbelievable. These people that vilify Kyle in this thread would faun all over Obama never questioning why they march into the showers and fully believing in their cause even while breathing in the poison.

There needs to be a Jim Jones category where threads like this are archived.

originally posted by: truckdriver42
It always amazes me that the left picks the grunt to vilify and call him a coward. The OP is this generations radical screamers of the term Baby killer.

I would hardly call a hughly trained special operator a "grunt". Grunts are, in the army at least since that's the basis of my comparison based on my own experience, but typically a grunt is your basic infantry soldier with little incentive to be more than canon fodder and no want more than than what they are. Decrying the perceived wctions of ome soldier is hardly relegating an entire class of soldier to "baby killer".

These same people on the other hand worship at the feet of Obama yet never call him on the real cowardice he displays or call him a baby killer. Obama sits in the White House with his proverbial sniper rifle in the way of a fleet of deadly drones while Kyle was in harms way, on the battle field when he did his duty.

Again, not necesarily true. I think Obama is a bigger coward than the guy who signs up to be a cook or a chaplains assistant. Ordering drone strikes on someone from a half a world away doesnt take any balls at all. Especially comsidering the mass degree of faulty or nonexistant intelligence the last several years. The collateral damage resultant fom these strikes is entirely egregious and unecessary.

The anti-Americanism of this thread is unbelievable. These people that vilify Kyle in this thread would faun all over Obama never questioning why they march into the showers and fully believing in their cause even while breathing in the poison.

Apparently theyre no different than those who blindly support an entire war effort like blind little americans based on faukty intellignence and yet more propaganda. Two sides of the same coin.

There needs to be a Jim Jones category where threads like this are archived.

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Absolutely when it devolves from a legitimate discussion on the film at hand to the motives behind people opinions. Sticking on topic with threads like this is nearly implssible.

a reply to: peter vlar

Oh jeeze.. Compared to Obama, Kyle was a grunt but feel free to derail the point..

If the movie is about an American Sniper and under military command of POTUS and Kyle was a coward baby killer, why is it not valid to bring POTUS into the conversation to try and have a valid discussion from all sides? How is that derailing the conversation?

I support any war effort our troops are fighting. If you dont support the war then change policy. We know for a fact Obama said he would stop all wars and close gitmo. He escalates wars on several fronts when he doesn't get his way so who is the real baby killer? Last I checked gitmo was still open for business.

Without people like Kyle more of our troops would be dead and I think that is what really irks the Kyle haters. They would love to see more dead troops and more Muslims marching to destroy our way of like. Misery and drama are bed fellows of the week mind...

Or maybe this just one of those threads where differing points of view are not allowed? If that's the case, then I am sorry but Jim Jones is really calling now.

a reply to: truckdriver42

I think many in this thread have attacked the war effort itself more than Kyle.

Anything derogatory of Kyle has been of his character & actions as an individual, which someone can be judged on no matter what their rank. Is he a great example of a typical army "grunt"? Maybe.
Are you automatically associating judgment of him as judgment of every individual based on their political affiliation?

Im glad im not so caught up on partisan politics to get so fired up over anything a single army grunt or president does.


Everyone keep voting, I'm chillin on the sidelines waiting to see the difference.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Where in the movie does it justify going into Iraq? He also never claims to be the best sniper in history and was "a monkey behind a gun"

sooooo source or it never happened

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Where in the movie does it justify going into Iraq? He also never claims to be the best sniper in history and was "a monkey behind a gun"

sooooo source or it never happened

Kyle makes the claim to be the best sniper in US history. The boast is part of the title of his book, "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History." So yeah, he's claiming to be the best sniper ever, at least in US history.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Bottom line this man did his duty and his job and he did it very,very well. Everyone has issues internal and external.



And just for the record I am against these endless unconstitutional wars that are only happening to fund a military industrial complex.

So I actually went to see the movie this morning ... and I can say that, without a doubt, the story in the opening post is a crock of crap.

No where in the movie did they say that we went into Iraq because of 9/11. Not even close.

The film shows Kyle and his wife watching the news as the towers were hit with airplanes on 9/11. Then the movie switches to Iraq and shows Kyle in the war. NOTHING whatsoever even comes close to what the opening article said.

The director (Eastwood) did this throughout the film. He made a very jarring transition from the 'normal family life' to the hell of war, and then back to the 'normal family life'. He showed that the transition was difficult and not working.

All things considered, the story in the opening post is just a load of partisan crap. Either the writer didn't know what he was saying ... or he's an outright partisan liar. And that is rather ironic considering the article tried to paint the movie as a big lie but in fact the article itself has been proven to have lied over and over.

originally posted by: truckdriver42
a reply to: peter vlar

Oh jeeze.. Compared to Obama, Kyle was a grunt but feel free to derail the point..

I simply disagree that any special operator would be or is condpsidered a grunt. The rules for them in country just arent the same as for a typical 11b serving in the 10th mountain div. for example.

If the movie is about an American Sniper and under military command of POTUS and Kyle was a coward baby killer, why is it not valid to bring POTUS into the conversation to try and have a valid discussion from all sides? How is that derailing the conversation?

Maybe Im having a senile moment, could you quote where i claimed it was derailing the thread? Im a 41 year old cripple because i enlisted to protect everyone's rights, the 1st, 2nd,4th and 5th being my favorites. Im all for agreeing to disagree so I apologize if i came off as or seemed to infer otherwise

I support any war effort our troops are fighting. If you dont support the war then change policy. We know for a fact Obama said he would stop all wars and close gitmo. He escalates wars on several fronts when he doesn't get his way so who is the real baby killer? Last I checked gitmo was still open for business.

Im no supporter at all of the current administration regarding a single foreign policy enacted since he took office 6 years ago. Im not a big fan of Bush either smd I enlisted with his fsther as my CIC. I thought i was pretty clear thst it doesmt take much of a man or any balls to call for a remote comtrol plane to drop hellfire missles from half a world away. Its not the way wars were fought when i enlisted and im typicslly comsidered a dimosaur for thst attitude.

Without people like Kyle more of our troops would be dead and I think that is what really irks the Kyle haters. They would love to see more dead troops and more Muslims marching to destroy our way of like. Misery and drama are bed fellows of the week mind...

I certainly dont discount having a guy like CPO Kyle on overwatch was always a benefit when his spotter could pick out targets i wouldnt even know existed yet. My issue isnt with Chris. I have an issue with snipers in general. I lost one of my best friends to a sniper. We were standing maybe 3 m apart when the top half of his skull landed near my feet as his helmet split into 3 pieces. Between that and realizing it was a 50/50 chance thst it could have been me it gives you a drastically different outlook on snipers in general. They have one job amd contrary to the propaghanda portraying thst job as saving lives, the saving of lives is secondary to their first goal... Striking fear into the hearts of the enemy that at any point they can be taken out with precision form up to a mile away and in some cases from as far away as a mile and a half as an army sniper demonstrated in Afghanistan.

Are there some morons who may share what you claim regarding what irks haters of Chris Kyle? Sure, there are morons on both sides. Detractors amd supporters. None of them are capable of comtemplating the whole picture let alome the fear they instill as part of their job requirement.

My issue isnt w kyle. Its with the profession itself. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the training and accuracy he and his fellows endure and display. But based on my own experience, ive got a different outlook thst nobody sitting here debating the merits of a film can possibly grasp the complexities of.

So unless you can recount your own stories of losing multiple friends in a single day, please spare me the armchair platitudes. I understand where your coming from. Try to understand my position.

Or maybe this just one of those threads where differing points of view are not allowed? If that's the case, then I am sorry but Jim Jones is really calling now.

Apparently the only differing view not allowed seems to be mine when it disagrees with yours. Im sorry we cant have a civil debate and that you feel that way. Petition Springer for a Jim Jones forum.

And before some other fool decides to talk out the side of their mouth and make nonsensical claims, amy mod is feel to comtact me and Ill be happy to supply you with documentation, DD214, VA paperwork

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

To be honest, I haven't seen the movie and have no desire to. Glorifying what my country did after 9/11, and making the players out to be "heroes" disgusts me. I'm not sure if all these lies are told in the movie, but they disagree with the book, which claims to be autobiographical. I found the article interesting. I know... it's only a movie, and therefore bound to sensationalize the story, but people in this country are believing this crap and making Kyle out to be some kind of hero... It's nothing but a war propaganda piece, IMO.

Your country ?

As if any of us civlian's have done anything to earn the right to call it like that.

Kyle did.

Millions of others have too.

They sweated.

They bled.

They made sacrificies with their families, and friends.

Hell they represent the very best of America.

They go get shot at, and blown up for a living.

Fighting the GD wars. Our civilian leaders start.

And why they fight ?

Is beyond me.

Freaking ungrateful nation.

They are a better class of Americans than MOST will ever be.

Have a problem with the military ?

Take it up with our politicians.

Not the men or women that serve.

Or movies that get made about them.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

The thing with Kyle is I dont think he was all there in the head after the war. This would explain the lies he told in his book maybe. And why he would bring a Marine with PTSD to a gun range.


Ok maybe he was just bull #ting in his book to make it entertaining. It was stupid of him but we can only speculate on his motives. Maybe he was a habitual liar too. I know that my uncle hated the Japanese all his life after WW2 and thst is understandable after what he went through. So for him to hate Iraqi rebels and enjoy killing them is not a shock to me. He reveled in it and believed GOD guided him. He was a human being. Capable of anger hate and love for his brothers.

Maybe Kyle was psycotic and a narcissist . But you gotta remember the SEALS are proud and very much alpha male and confident this keeps them alive. war changes you. He was what he was an efficient killer that saved many lives of his fellow troops. He is a hero to them no matter how you swing it. But not a hero in the grand scheme of things. He was a pawn in a unjust war based on lies. He was a pawn while Cheney and Halliburton profited from the blood money and oil. But it is not up to troops to decide where they get deployed and they follow orders witout question. There is no politics in service. At the end of the day his life cut short under very suspicious circumstances. I have a feeling he was taken out by a mkultra patsy . Even his wife thinks he was killed in a conspiracy. It does not matter what we think , he did his job and believed what he was doing was right.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Sorry for the late response...and for assuming you're a guy.

My comments on your post still stand...it's very angry and filled with hateful opinions and snarkiness.

Nothing I will ever say is based on or bows to political correctness, but if you can't apply the term "hero" to people like Chris Kyle who volunteer to go and protect our Service Members whose lives are put in harms way, often times unnecessarily, and allow them to come home to their families, to whom do you apply the term? Disgusting or not, snipers--and people brave enough to be one--are a necessary part of modern warfare. I absolutely wish there were less wars and a lower need for them, but until we can vote in a government who isn't one of the two war-happy parties we keep vollying between, that won't change.

I don't care about your views on the military, as you opinion is absolutely inconsequential to my life, but when you seem to base your opinion on ideology and misdirected disgust and h8red, I do have an issue with that.

But, regardless, we disagree with the veracity of your OP. To each his/her own.

Best Regards.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Well yea due to the technology he is by fay the most lethal sniper in US history. If you listen to interviews with him he clearly states that others are highly more skilled. funny how you pick and choose which information is important to you, i smell agenda

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

To be honest, I haven't seen the movie and have no desire to. Glorifying what my country did after 9/11, and making the players out to be "heroes" disgusts me. I'm not sure if all these lies are told in the movie, but they disagree with the book, which claims to be autobiographical. I found the article interesting. I know... it's only a movie, and therefore bound to sensationalize the story, but people in this country are believing this crap and making Kyle out to be some kind of hero... It's nothing but a war propaganda piece, IMO.

Your country ?

As if any of us civlian's have done anything to earn the right to call it like that.

Kyle did.

Millions of others have too.

They sweated.

They bled.

They made sacrificies with their families, and friends.

Hell they represent the very best of America.

They go get shot at, and blown up for a living.

Fighting the GD wars. Our civilian leaders start.

And why they fight ?

Is beyond me.

Freaking ungrateful nation.

They are a better class of Americans than MOST will ever be.

Have a problem with the military ?

Take it up with our politicians.

Not the men or women that serve.

Or movies that get made about them.

So, your answer is blame the government/politicians for why people shouldn't exactly glorify/worship the troops if they so choose to think that way?

Why are they the only ones to blame? The people who serve are just a culpable in the act. If I'm in the mafia and the mafia boss tells me to kill someone, and I do it, and get caught, blaming it on the boss telling me to do it won't do anything to help me. The premise stays the same in your reasoning. People telling and people doing are one in the same. Conspiring is a crime in American law.

When you join the military, they pretty much end up owning you. You become a literal tool the government and military use as they see fit. So how could you blame one and not the other? It makes no sense. Who do you think the government brings in whenever the citizens go crazy towards the government in the end?

What I find funny, is that most people who want to discuss/criticize War and everything to do with Wars etc, are people who were never in the military and will never understand firsthand what these soldiers did or went through while in combat.

War is hell. Bad things happen in them. Is it really so surprising to some people? Its not some revelation. Wars have been going on on this planet long before this current generation of people were even around. It'll continue when this generation is gone. Humans are a War race. Its what we do. Nothing will change that fact.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic So you did not see the film, did you read the book? No. Well then your opinion matters not. It is people like Chris Kyle that keep you safe at night, I did my duty as well. I can only say that civilians in this country are the least educated in matters of international affairs than perhaps any other group on the planet. Fact: Iraq war was supported by Congress and the People. Fact: the cowards started within 18 months to discredit a popular President, I.E. Senator Kerry. Fact: Removing of the Dictator was supported by the United Nations. So IMO people can live in the little bubbles, protected by the American Military, and postulate all the nonsense they want.

a reply to: zazzafrazzI also find television scary, especially when a talking sponge is stalking an octopus. Disturbing, night terrors now are nonstop.

originally posted by: olaru12
I saw the movie and it's doing exactly what it was produced, scripted, shot and distributed to do. Make money!

Disclaimer: haven't seen the movie, Agree with above quote, however. Book that would make a good money making movie.

To me, Mr. Kyle always sounded like a blow hard. Jesse V made the case in court. With that said, if the movie focuses honestly on his military job and PTSD, well, I have seen that sometimes good things can come from court cases using a sleaze bag as the central figure in the complaint.

My Dad served as a sniper in WW2 in Europe in the Winter of 1944-45. He would tell us kids stories, he would share some stories only with my Mom, but my Mom sadly said that she was sure there were stories he could never share even with her.

One story he told us was the time he had to shoot a child soldier. He always ended the story saying softly with remorse as if asking for a public forgiveness, "What else would anyone have done when a 13 year old points his rifle at you?" He felt sorry for a nation that had to send its young children to fight. Looking back, I think it helped him to share his
stories with his family.

He had PTSD. Combat soldiers usually do. But back then the form of treatment for "mental disorders" was shock therapy, and many soldiers refused to seek help, even through the VA, as they did not want to undergo that form of treatment. Divorce rates were high and alcohol use too often covered the pain. Sometimes former soldiers killed themselves and/or family members. Sounds like today.

With war you get PTSD. If this movie can dramatically deal with that subject in an honest way, then I have no problem with it.

My Dad faithfully hung our flag out on every patriotic holiday and was buried in a National Cemetery. As kids, we heard his war stories and always asked to play with his medals and war souvenirs. One time, when I was 13 years old and we were watching the nightly news with its stories of both Viet Nam and the anti-war protests. he softly said aloud, "If I had had sons, I would take them out back and shoot them, before I would ever let them serve in a war." It was then I began to understood what "the horrors of war" did to a person, the deep, unseen wounds.