Seven Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America

a reply to: peter vlar

I would say your a lying no school in fort benning takes 16 mos for an 11 b
Basic 8 weeks =2 mos
Airborn school = one month
If you go to ranger batt rip is about 3 weeks
Ok I'll round up to 4 mos what the heck did you do with other 12 mos? Ranger school ok another 6 mos that still leaves 6 mos gotcha you poser! Now keep in mind it's been a long time since I did my time but dept of defense would never spend 16 mos training a 11b nice try though lol🙈🙈🙈next! Lol almost forgot they call it something other than ait now but add another 5 weeks

Its a WAR movie about WAR, you know, the WORST ACTS of mankind.

Sigh...

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The thread is reopened in the hope we can discuss the movie and not tear our fellow members apart.

Personally, if you're going to criticize a film, shouldn't you see it first?

It's like commenting on a meal by just looking at the menu and other reviews.

But hey, what do I know.

The far left hates the film without even having seen it.
The political bias is thick.

As for the alleged 7 'big lies' the film tells America ...

1 - The film suggests the Iraq War was in response to 9/11? I have no idea if it suggests it or not. The war in Iraq was declared because Iraq broke numerous UN resolutions. The far left will claim it was for us to get their oil. But of course ... we don't run the oil fields there so that doesn't fly.

2 - The OP story claims that the terrorist sniper in the film is made up. That's not true. He may or may not have been beefed up to make the movie more interesting, but the man did indeed exist.

3 - The film shows Kyle as tormented by his actions and the OP story claims that's not true. Kyle had PTSD. So yes, he had issues from the war. He didn't regret his actions because they saved lives. But he did have PTSD. So no lie there.

4 - The OP story claims Kyle fabricated a story about Katrina. There is no proof of fabrication and there is no proof this story is true. So the OP story claiming this is absolutely a fabrication is wrong.

5 - Kyle fabricated a gas station incident? There is no proof of fabrication and no proof that it happened. - The gas station incident - Information here

6 - Ventura won a lawsuit against Kyle. True. The fake seal won a lawsuit against a dead man who couldn't testify.

7 - The OP story claims the plans for the book profits going to charity was a lie. Not true. The widow said a portion was going to go to charity but now we know that it's lining Jesse Ventura's pocket. So what was intended for the money can't happen. Ventura supposedly lives off the grid and doesn't need the money so if he had any integrity at all he would have given the money to the veterans charities like it was originally intended.


I hope to see the film this weekend, if the weather allows. I'll see if it's a scary propaganda film as the left claims, or if it's just a thought provoking film about a man who served his country with honor.

I dont understand why people make troops out to be heros for just "following orders" even if the troops question the war and think it's wrong, as long as they question it somewhat it justifies everything else thats happened? Millions dead by American hands, but they're kinda iffy about why they did it so it's ok? Not only ok, but heroic!? Total BS. I dont understand it at all. It's truly the most baffling part about .. America, i guess is the only way i can put it.

They're basically hitmen. Worse imo because they're glorified to our children by the brainwashing media, and they pretend as if what they're doing is for some greater good even though most of them know it's absolutely wrong. Saying the war is 'wrong' is an understatement. We're murdering civilians, children, wrecking their cities, casting them into the abyss that is a never ending conflict, then proclaiming ourselves to be some greater force of good. It is appalling what we are doing, and imo the way we portray it makes the acts committed even worse.

It's so bad that most people wouldn't know a real hero if they saw one. Without a doubt the first person to make a serious act against the criminal elite will be destroyed and called a heinous criminal to the tune of the cheers of hundreds of millions of people who only portray Americans and have totally lost track of what's real.

ABC News - What American Sniper Got Right and Wrong According to Seal Who Helped Train Chris Kyle

"I had high expectations and I have to say, when I first watched the movie, I felt really let down, for a number of reasons," Webb told ABC News Thursday. "It's hard to capture someone's life in two hours, and I get that, but I felt the film could have been, should have been, a military epic on the scale of a 'Saving Private Ryan.'"

But Webb said when he thought about it further and when the movie started a national conversation about the hardships of American troops in combat and at home, and their portrayal in Hollywood, he came to appreciate the film more. ...

"[The movie version] was just very amateurish," he said. "I'm not saying let's give the world a look at exactly how the SEAL sniper program is, but it's one of the best programs in the world and I thought that [filmmakers should] at least give it that respect that the program produced this guy... You're going to show his training like it's a couple of rednecks plinking at cans in the back of a trailer? That's what it felt like to me."

Use of snipers save lives. They take out the bad guys without the collateral damage that Bush43 and Obama inflict upon civilian populations by using drones and air strikes. This seal was disappointed in the quality of the film and said it was lacking.

Chris Kyle was full of $#!+ Anybody who self professes themselves as anything has an issue. This movie is nothing but lies about a liar.

originally posted by: beezzer
Personally, if you're going to criticize a film, shouldn't you see it first?

It's like commenting on a meal by just looking at the menu and other reviews.

But hey, what do I know.

The trailer has him on a rooftop being shot at, while on the cellphone with his wife & she falls to the ground crying.

Anyone who wanted to see the movie after this trailer is an idiot in my book.

Saw it...crap american war movie.
Appears to be a trend Hollywood making a war film distorting the facts.
That u boat film took the biscuit though...with the enigma machine.

I caught the 9/11 line in the movie but I didn't let it cloud my judgement on the movie itself. I took it for what it was, a movie. I would critique it if they paid me to do so. I just wanted 2 hours of entertainment. I mean if you're going to dissect this, you might as well do it to most of the propaganda. You know, the video games. The yellow ribbons. I respect the military but not the politics of it all. I don't see a lot of dissecting the politicians. That in itself is the sad part of it all. How anyone can make or let someone pull four tours is evil incarnate. Please let my brothers gather their mental faculties and allow them peace. Do this by limiting the tours a soldier can have. You'll save money and some soldiers sanity in the long run.

I want to see a movie where people get in their politicians faces. I want them to be screaming at them if they would send their children over there. Better yet, would they themselves do so. Warpigs can kiss my ass.

It's posts like his that sometimes make me embarrassed to be American


This is in reply to Olaru12's respnse to tiberius10721, my reply and quote functions are screwing up big time

I haven't seen this movie. (Incidentally, I'm so glad this thread has been reopened. I usually arrive just in time to see the padlocks and the eviction notice.)

I would like to see it because I am a fan of Clint Eastwood's. I did write a scathing review of Zero Dark Thirty that is on ATS as a thread of sorts. I may not see the Eastwood movie but if I do wind up going to it, I might do another review.

As far as war being "fun". I think that is the sort of thing that some young soldiers might say. My Dad, who was in Lancaster bombers in WW2 told me that it was "fun, as long as you didn't get hurt." I think he was being a little flippant with me, kind of brushing me off. He did have some hair raising experiences and had friends who got way more than hurt. He never really talked much about the war, which is why I remember that surprising remark.

I saw it, for sure a lot of American propaganda in there.
But it did convey the anguish the family goes through back home.
I will say this, if a soldier disagrees with his deployment he wouldn't go 4 times, Chris did.
I would have thought he would have figured it out before that.

Iraq was a nightmare, still is.

The hate is strong in this thread. You can't say I haven't seen the movie but.... propaganda. The movie does a great job at showing what its like with ptsd. Its just a movie

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Saw it...crap american war movie.

I agree. I've read so much hype about the film, I wanted to check it out. I went and saw it yesterday. I don't normally do that, but that movie has become so controversial, I wanted to see if it was even close to the hype.

I was shocked at how awful it was. The acting was painfully bad. (Except for Sienna Miller, who did a decent job as Kyle's wife.)
I expected much, much for from a seasoned pro like Clint Eastwood. Seriously, I cannot overstate how awful it was.

Goodness, it is easy to see on this blog who has served their country and who are the liberal parasites!!!

a reply to: daveinats

Not really. You say that as if conservatism is a requirement for enlisting as opposed to undying love for the ideals the nation was founded on and the Constitution that codifies the ideals of our founding fathers. Blind obedience might make for a good grunt but a good soldier always remembers why they enlisted and what they're fighting for.

Personally, i don't like what i am hearing about this movie, especially given some of the ignorant remarks some people are making regarding the war because of the movie.

HOWEVER, I cannot - and do not expect OP to do the same, cast remarks on the facts and falsehoods of a movie that i have not seen. In fact, i'm realising as i am typing this, that the founding words of ATS is to "deny ignorance".

Why are you even on here if you are simply going to create a thread, spewing facts that someone else has put together, and confidently decide that you will not watch it for yourself?

Honestly, to put it in simple terms, you could even say:
"My friend said this movie is US propaganda. He told me that "insert facts that may or may not be true here".
I will not see it now, because it sounds awful, and i don't think you should either.

Do you honestly not see yourself as a blind man leading the blind right now?

Go watch the movie. If you don't want to, don't make a thread about how awful it is.

The film is nothing more than propaganda. Balm for "patriots" trying to justify invading Iraq on false premises and lies. Kyle was not a hero - he was there to chase a record. Shooting women and children wasn't going to stop him from getting that record.