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Flu vaccine paradox adds to public health debate
'Canadian problem' an example of odd effects of prior vaccination
People who receive flu vaccines year after year can sometimes show reduced protection, an effect that Canadian infectious disease specialists say muddies public health messages for annual flu vaccine campaigns.
During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, researchers at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control originally thought seasonal flu shots from 2008 might offer extra protection against the new pandemic strain. They were puzzled to find instead, seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu.
……..What was originally called "the Canadian problem" has since been found in a randomized control trial by researchers in Hong Kong, with more supporting evidence from Japan and the U.S.
…….researchers in several countries have found a blunting or "interference" effect between previous seasonal vaccines and reduced levels of vaccine protection in later years for some strains.
…….."We have kind of hyped this vaccine so much for so long we are starting to believe our own hype. …."
Effectiveness of Flu Vaccine Raises More Red Flags
Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots
originally posted by: rickymouse
I can't take flu shots, I get sicker than if I get the flu. I ran my genetics and some variants, supposedly bad variants, show I have a high Mucosal Immunity. So much that I can get an overreaction. So they call this a genetic flaw because I react against flu shots? I also have a reduction in antigen production, I suppose this mutation is a correction to the autoimmune issues I have.
I know people who reacted to the flue shot badly so haven't gotten one and have not even got a cold or the flu in thirty years. I do not think the information we are fed on the effectiveness of these shots over the year was even near correct. Right now, this years effectiveness of the vaccine is at 23 percent, and people are getting sick. Now, natural immunity is better than that.
I also read that once you take flu shots for a few years that you lost natural immunity and needed to take the vaccines or risk a higher chance of getting the flu. So once you take it for a while, you need to keep taking it. That sounds more like a settup to me to trim the population in the future. All they need to do is find something really bad about the vaccines and ban them and many people will die. They are trying to make us weak and dependent so they can control us.
originally posted by: Prezbo369
originally posted by: rickymouse
I can't take flu shots, I get sicker than if I get the flu. I ran my genetics and some variants, supposedly bad variants, show I have a high Mucosal Immunity. So much that I can get an overreaction. So they call this a genetic flaw because I react against flu shots? I also have a reduction in antigen production, I suppose this mutation is a correction to the autoimmune issues I have.
I know people who reacted to the flue shot badly so haven't gotten one and have not even got a cold or the flu in thirty years. I do not think the information we are fed on the effectiveness of these shots over the year was even near correct. Right now, this years effectiveness of the vaccine is at 23 percent, and people are getting sick. Now, natural immunity is better than that.
I also read that once you take flu shots for a few years that you lost natural immunity and needed to take the vaccines or risk a higher chance of getting the flu. So once you take it for a while, you need to keep taking it. That sounds more like a settup to me to trim the population in the future. All they need to do is find something really bad about the vaccines and ban them and many people will die. They are trying to make us weak and dependent so they can control us.
Do you have anything other than anecdotes to show that any of this is true?
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: Prezbo369
originally posted by: rickymouse
I can't take flu shots, I get sicker than if I get the flu. I ran my genetics and some variants, supposedly bad variants, show I have a high Mucosal Immunity. So much that I can get an overreaction. So they call this a genetic flaw because I react against flu shots? I also have a reduction in antigen production, I suppose this mutation is a correction to the autoimmune issues I have.
I know people who reacted to the flue shot badly so haven't gotten one and have not even got a cold or the flu in thirty years. I do not think the information we are fed on the effectiveness of these shots over the year was even near correct. Right now, this years effectiveness of the vaccine is at 23 percent, and people are getting sick. Now, natural immunity is better than that.
I also read that once you take flu shots for a few years that you lost natural immunity and needed to take the vaccines or risk a higher chance of getting the flu. So once you take it for a while, you need to keep taking it. That sounds more like a settup to me to trim the population in the future. All they need to do is find something really bad about the vaccines and ban them and many people will die. They are trying to make us weak and dependent so they can control us.
Do you have anything other than anecdotes to show that any of this is true?
Well, I am not going to start posting screen shots of my gene apps on this site. I do not know if I can copy and paste information from Pubmed without authorization, especially when it is being applied differently than they intend it too. The information about these vaccinations reducing your natural immunity was listed in many medical sites, is this the information you want verification of?
....seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu
Annual vaccination against influenza hampers development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell immunity in children
Infection with seasonal influenza A viruses induces immunity to potentially pandemic influenza A viruses of other subtypes (heterosubtypic immunity). …annual influenza vaccination …hampers the development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses.
Annual flu shots may lower cross-protection
…long-term annual vaccination using inactivated vaccines may hamper the induction of cross-reactive CD8+ T cell responses by natural infections and thus may affect the induction of heterosubtypic immunity. This may render young children that have not been previously infected with an influenza virus more susceptible to infection with a pandemic influenza virus of a novel subtype.
originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: soficrow
From your link....
People who receive flu vaccines year after year can sometimes show reduced protection
But yeah, encourage the spread of ignorance and increase the chances of people (especially the young and old) dying.....GJ!
It's not totally suppressed by msm, Global National last night did a story on this year's flu vvaccine, and said this year is a mismatch and likely won't stop people from getting sick this year.
Even the CDC has admitted that this year's flu vaccine is practically worthless