Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: WarminIndy

Of course gun violence happens, because people van.own guns in the UK, but the number of people killed by guns is much.much lower than the US. It's a cultural difference, and that's OK.

Nope, not a cultural difference and consider for a moment just exactly the size of our population and the ethnic makeup. We are not predominantly British, we have a whole lot of different groups of people, which by the way, the statistics you guys are given about our culture, you are not told which groups actually own the most guns and what kinds of guns.

Our culture is based in the freedom to own weapons, that is all. No matter who the American is, no matter what racial group the American is, all you hear is American and assume it is all one group.

I am American and don't have a gun, no one in my family does, I live in a building that does not permit guns, and yet, the only ones who really do own guns, either obtain them illegally, which the statistics don't show you, or smaller groups of people.

To say it is cultural, no, it is a right. When considering the size of our population, it is relatively proportionate to Europe.

originally posted by: WarminIndy
Oh, I never heard that Birmingham is not for non-Muslims. Really? Is that something we need to know?

Right - so you totally missed the furore last week when a FOX news commentator claimed that Birmingham was 90% Muslim and was a "no go area" for non-Muslims, with another calling it a "caliphate within a country"... Pull the other one, you must be living under a rock to have missed that.

originally posted by: [post=18899408]WarminIndy[/post

Is this guy wrong?

That "guy" is a BNP member, that video is made by "BNPTv".

I'm not going to spoonfeed you, but you really should check your sources. You clearly just typed into Google and grabbed the first thing that came up.

Well done, no really, well done.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

But that's how your society works because you have a long history of handgun ownership. In the UK gun ownership is for sports, collectors or working such as farmers. Having a free for all on handgun ownership here would lead to more violence which we don't want. It wouldn't work In our society

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Muslim invasion? Now we're getting to the meat of the matter, you have some deep-seated bigoted views about Muslims and that is now becoming apparent. And who's "fighting the Jewish"? Backed who into a wall and how?

In fact, what the hell are you on?

Let me guess, you've gone and believed all the crap from FOX about Europe and the UK, like how Birmingham is a "no go area for non Muslims"?

This is precisely why I posted what I did, which prompted you responded to try and "annoy me", Americans going off half-cocked when they think they know it all and are superior to everyone else, when it couldn't be further from the truth. You challenged me earlier saying I "think I know it all", so I asked you to prove me wrong, which you have so far not even tried to do, let alone failed at.

Now, all the swearing, the chest thumping, the "USA Number 1!" crap and the personal attacks speaks volumes about your character.

Oh, I never heard that Birmingham is not for non-Muslims. Really? Is that something we need to know?

Who are these people? British? American? Fox News? Take your pick, but they sound British to me.

Is this guy wrong?

Yes, hes an ignorant fascist blaming his problems on a convenient scapegoat.
But there are plenty of hoods in the land of the free, and everywhere else on the planet. So no point any of us taking the moral high ground. Its the face of globalism, you might as well all get used to it. Its coming to a home near you very soon.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Actually, all statistics for crime/murders etc are done on a per 100,000 population basis, so the total population doesn't even come into consideration. Now we understand how the stats work, we can point out that your murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000 is actually significantly higher than our 1 per 100,000 people.

As for the size of your total population compared to Europe, it isn't even close. The EU has well over 500 million people.

a reply to: OneManArmy

Think about it, if they were "no go area's", how come two fascists have managed to wander around pointing that out?

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

But that's how your society works because you have a long history of handgun ownership. In the UK gun ownership is for sports, collectors or working such as farmers. Having a free for all on handgun ownership here would lead to more violence which we don't want. It wouldn't work In our society

I guess we really don't know about how it really is because we're so far away from each other. We have mostly the same thing. Hunting, sports, collectors, personal protection, and the bad element. I don't feel this topic is about gun rights. I think it's that the small Jewish communities you have there feel they are not safe because of the polices. It's a political problem.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: OneManArmy

Think about it, if they were "no go area's", how come two fascists have managed to wander around pointing that out?

I know, there isnt anywhere Id consider a no go area, thats just fascist propaganda to justify their own racist and ignorant beliefs.
Would it be any wonder that two right wing extremists wouldnt be welcome?

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

In the UK you cannot own a gun for personal protection. It's not a legitimate reason to apply for a licence.
Whatever the solution is increased gun ownership is never going to be part of the solution here.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

In the UK you cannot own a gun for personal protection. It's not a legitimate reason to apply for a licence.
Whatever the solution is increased gun ownership is never going to be part of the solution here.

I quoted why we American's own them. I get what you're saying. Maybe you need to reassess that so you can defend yourselves from anymore 777's. I mean, you can just sit there and take it if you want. How long are you going to take it?

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

I wouldn't want it to be reassessed I would be very against anything that would increase gun ownership in this country, especially of handguns. Terrorist attacks will happen, they won't be stopped by some civilian with a gun.

The bad element in your country are going to have weapons. They don't respect your laws. I wouldn't want to be gimped that way.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

In the UK you cannot own a gun for personal protection. It's not a legitimate reason to apply for a licence.
Whatever the solution is increased gun ownership is never going to be part of the solution here.

In the UK, you don't have to give any reason for applying for a gun license. The onus is on the Police to provide a reason fro you not to have a gun, not you to provide a reason why you should.

Here is a link to my local Constabulary's application form

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

In the UK you cannot own a gun for personal protection. It's not a legitimate reason to apply for a licence.
Whatever the solution is increased gun ownership is never going to be part of the solution here.

In the UK, you don't have to give any reason for applying for a gun license. The onus is on the Police to provide a reason fro you not to have a gun, not you to provide a reason why you should.

Here is a link to my local Constabulary's application form

You always agree with the police or whoever has the final say? I'd rather have the right than a corrupt institution to have it. I'm not saying it's corrupted but there's room for it being abused.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

So we should become like the criminals, so then the police can be routinely armed and the number of fatal shootings can leap up.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

So we should become like the criminals, so then the police can be routinely armed and the number of fatal shootings can leap up.

No, become the solution.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Isn't that the same in the US (depending on the State, obviously), such as the requirement in some states to have an FOID or similar?

a reply to: stumason

Even the yougov sites says the police have to agree you have a valid reason to apply for a licence

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

In the UK you cannot own a gun for personal protection. It's not a legitimate reason to apply for a licence.
Whatever the solution is increased gun ownership is never going to be part of the solution here.

In the UK, you don't have to give any reason for applying for a gun license. The onus is on the Police to provide a reason fro you not to have a gun, not you to provide a reason why you should.

Here is a link to my local Constabulary's application form

You always agree with the police or whoever has the final say? I'd rather have the right than a corrupt institution to have it. I'm not saying it's corrupted but there's room for it being abused.

No we dont always agree with the police, thats why we have courts.
But yes you are right about a corrupt institution... to the very core.
That being said, last time I looked, the US system was just as corrupt.
At least we dont have police murdering kids with guns, or tazering naked young autistic girls walking along the highway who are already obviously confused.
Not having guns everywhere does have its perks. Our police arent trigger happy shuddering wrecks fearful of the nutcases with guns all over the place.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

The Government Website, not the TV Police website, nor the application form request such a reason to be stated.

However, if that is the case, then just say you're taking up clay pigeon shooting. Problem solved

EDIT: Here are the application notes for the Thames Valley.. It does state:

1) To acquire or possess firearms or ammunition under Section 1 of the Firearms Act
1968, you have to provide evidence that you have a good reason to do so. This applies to
the grant, renewal or variation of a firearm certificate. This evidence can take several
forms: permission to shoot over land or membership of a target shooting club, or a
booking or invitation to go deer stalking are examples, but these are not exhaustive.

So, I stand corrected - they certainly didn't make that clear, I had to dig for it! However, get permission to shoot, or book a hunting/clay pigeon excursion and problem solved.