"Muslims aren't doing enough to speak out...!"

originally posted by: neo96
I might have believe this nonsense.

Until a person reads this.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

It's ok to lie to the 'non believers'.

Awesome...why not post some KKK link while you're at it.

a reply to: kaylaluv

with all due respect kaylaluv, shouldn't this be happening is Islamic countries rather than in western countries?....and if Islam was such a tolerant religion to begin with, why would you need an organization to "work on" and "foster" moderation?

originally posted by: neo96
I might have believe this nonsense.

Until a person reads this.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

It's ok to lie to the 'non believers'.

Yeah, that website isn't biased in the least. I think I'll post an atheist website that bashes Christianity, and we know how non-biased all atheists are towards Christians, right?

a reply to: kaylaluv

doesn't matter if it's biased. what matters if what's said is the truth or not.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Charlie i see what you are trying to do here . The problem is that those /us in the western world feel threatened . More so now given the last couple of days . What we need are pictures like you posted but millions of them . We need mosques turning in would be terrorists . We need lots of things . That being said , who gets more airplay , the terrorist or those Muslims that speak out about it . You dont have to convince ATS , you have to beat the MSM .

I was at Friday Prayer in a Mosque in London yesterday and the Imam was addressing extremism as well as condemning the scumbags who carried out the attacks in Paris.

On another note, here's the bother of the Muslim police officer was killed while protecting the Charlie Hebdo office

Its all a numbers game. With 1.6 billion when even 2% want to do terrorist activities that is 32 million. I also feel that the silent Sympathizer for these groups is a much larger percentage than those who disagree. When you start talking about those kinds of numbers it becomes a world event.

Lets put all those radicals aside, we are still talking about a very extreme intolerant society, so there really isn't much point to all this.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: kaylaluv

with all due respect kaylaluv, shouldn't this be happening is Islamic countries rather than in western countries?....and if Islam was such a tolerant religion to begin with, why would you need an organization to "work on" and "foster" moderation?

How do you know it's not happening? The religion is not the problem. People are the problem. Most people, regardless of their religious (or non-religious) affiliation, just want to go about their lives in peace. But there will always be people who want to control others. Sometimes those controlling people use religion, sometimes they don't. We can find examples of people who weren't religious at all who committed atrocities on huge populations. We can also find examples of people who use religion as their rational for committing similar atrocities.

Religion is not the problem. People are the problem. People will always be a problem. Let's imagine that all religions were to disappear tomorrow, and no one has any memory of it ever existing. Do you think there will all of a sudden be no more controlling or violence towards others? Really?

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: kaylaluv

doesn't matter if it's biased. what matters if what's said is the truth or not.

Well, the millions and millions of Muslims living peacefully among others says it's not the truth.

a reply to: kaylaluv

put aside the actions of the believers and focus on what their teachings say. that's what im saying, you are missing the point

how can you say religion is not the problem when martyrdom and terrorism can be justified through their books? not to mention oppression of women and pedophilia. how can anyone defend that? makes no sense

a reply to: Hecate666

To be fair, there is a lot of community work at least here in the UK to stop radicalisation and it was probably the only thing I left out of the OP.

So I'm glad you brought it up.
Especially in recent months there has been vocality about teaching children from young that this new era brand of Jihad is not what it's cracked up to be.

It's nainly community woke rather than a National outreach, but it's probably best to start within the community anyways.



As far as banning Muslims goes, there is no form of excommunication as we don't have a head representative like the Queen for Protestantism or a Pope like Catholicism...


The Shia community may have some form of excommunication through the Ayatollah, but I haven't really looked into it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Its all a numbers game. With 1.6 billion when even 2% want to do terrorist activities that is 32 million. I also feel that the silent Sympathizer for these groups is a much larger percentage than those who disagree. When you start talking about those kinds of numbers it becomes a world event.

Lets put all those radicals aside, we are still talking about an a very extreme intolerant society, so there really isn't much point to all this.

Would you not agree that intolerance is a two player game?

You seem to be somewhat intlerant of inolerance?

Maybe I missed something.

Truly appreciate all the feedback so far, I've been at a wedding so I do apologise for not getting back to some of you just yet.

I'm just now making my way through the thread.


Thanks again.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: kaylaluv

put aside the actions of the believers and focus on what their teachings say. that's what im saying, you are missing the point

So what, the Bible teaches it's not only okay, but required to stone women and children. That is the truth.

a reply to: kaylaluv...thanks for the explanation, and I do agree with you. I think people should be able to stand on their own merits, as well as take responsibility for their own failings. to use mythical beings (god, devil) to take credit for, or to abdicate, personal actions, belittles the spirit, as well as the intellect, of human beings.

a reply to: kaylaluv

so believers have to disobey the teachings of their holy books to act civilized. its just proving my point.

a reply to: neformore

Had a feeling it would be Sisi...

Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!

This ex I found to be the most bizzarre wording he came out with...


Impossible should not have been how he ended that sentence.


He should have unequivocally said "Hell No"!

a reply to: neo96

With regards to your reply, Islam forbids lying. The one you are referring to, Taqiyya meaning is to defend oneself from harm. The link below shall explain it to you, kindly look at section 2 (Taqiya (or Taqiyah, Taqiyya, Taqiyyah, Tuqya) and the permission to lie under special circumstances)

www.answering-christianity.com...

originally posted by: kaylaluv

How do you know it's not happening? The religion is not the problem. People are the problem. Most people, regardless of their religious (or non-religious) affiliation, just want to go about their lives in peace. But there will always be people who want to control others. Sometimes those controlling people use religion, sometimes they don't. We can find examples of people who weren't religious at all who committed atrocities on huge populations. We can also find examples of people who use religion as their rational for committing similar atrocities.

Religion is not the problem. People are the problem. People will always be a problem. Let's imagine that all religions were to disappear tomorrow, and no one has any memory of it ever existing. Do you think there will all of a sudden be no more controlling or violence towards others? Really?

I agree with your post, but today 2015, the motivator that is making extremism is the Muslin religion. How else do you have 2 french raised brothers end up mass murdering over a cartoon picture of Mohammad. There are too factors that is making Muslin extremism a world problem.

1. The 13th century level of extremism that is causing mass killings all over the world. France is nothing, we are talking whole towns wiped out, every man, women and children killed... We can't even comprehend that level of thinking it is so extreme and evil.

2. Numbers, if we were talking 100 people like this then it would not be an issue as much, but we are talking hundred of thousands, millions and tens of millions of sympathizers.... OK we all agree 1.5 billion are nice, what about the other 100 million?

originally posted by: vjr1113

how can you say religion is not the problem when martyrdom and terrorism can be justified through their books? not to mention oppression of women and pedophilia. how can anyone defend that? makes no sense

Again, there are people who like to control others. Some of those people use/misuse religion to justify it, others have no religious justification for their evil deeds. Joseph Stalin, for example. Some people make themselves god so they can do the things they do.

If there were never an Islam, then these people would still control/hurt/kill others. It is the way some people are wired. Has nothing to do with religion. Religion is the tool, not the source of the problem.

a reply to: kaylaluv

unarm a murderer and they can't kill. don't protect "the perfect word of god" and don't allow people to justify violence with these holy books.

i just dont see how you can have islam without Muhammad. forget religion and practice ethics, reason, and philosophy like a 21st century human.